EU wants to Control the Internet and Destroy Bitcoin - page 2.

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Quote from: pooya87 on June 04, 2016, 10:22:04 PM

there has always been a battle between people wanting to keep their privacy and government wanting to snoop around in their private affairs. this is nothing new!

Exactly every country has the same issue, but in Europe bitcoin had made some impact over their economy. For this reason they were trying to get into people's personal.

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If using IDs to login becomes mandatory,i`ll stop using internet Angry

What if someone hacks that system and steals all the ID information?

Bureaucratic idiots.... Angry

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But people have been voluntarily sharing what they are doing throughout the day on Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, Twitch and many more social media sites. Also Google and Microsoft are datamining their users like crazy especially with Windows 10 which is designed to be a user statistics grabbing tool disguised as a free OS. Your common email providers are not giving you free anonymous email service either and God knows which government agency has been reading your 'private' mails. I mean we have been putting out our life for everyone to see like all day long all over the Internet and now we are worried about logging into websites by using our ID's instead of a username and a password? If this is an optional way to have access to my accounts it's not such a big deal but obviously this way of logging in won't be implemented in Bitcoin sites because it's against the Bitcoin 'pseudo anonymity' principle. By the way the Bitcoin exchanges already know who you are, where you live and what is your bank account, would you care much if you log in using your ID card there? I guess not Cheesy

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there has always been a battle between people wanting to keep their privacy and government wanting to snoop around in their private affairs. this is nothing new!

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It is not the first EU bureaucrats are proposing some outright awful legislation. I guess Europeans remember ACTA?
Also horrid inventions like SOPA and PIPA? Do you remember what happened back then?

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA

People will fight for free internet. It is the only medium that is left.

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Quote from: MingLee on June 04, 2016, 08:06:27 PM

As stated above, infowars is typically heavily tainted with paranoia, and will aim to push their own narrative (along with every other news source) and thus a lot of what they say can't be taken as the truth without some independent research.

As for the claim that the EU would be doing something like this, I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering their "hate-speech" laws that they're trying to bring in, but I won't take this at face value for now. We'll find out what is accurate and what isn't soon enough.

SSure, the based some articles, news, and information on some website are made to make a plunge to someone. With false data, editing information and another way to make plunges to someone. It needs an independent research to verification about news, data or some information and it's can be trusted or not. But the intention of EU can we take from the statement always exists..

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As stated above, infowars is typically heavily tainted with paranoia, and will aim to push their own narrative (along with every other news source) and thus a lot of what they say can't be taken as the truth without some independent research.

As for the claim that the EU would be doing something like this, I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering their "hate-speech" laws that they're trying to bring in, but I won't take this at face value for now. We'll find out what is accurate and what isn't soon enough.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on June 04, 2016, 07:57:25 PM

Quote from: chek2fire on June 04, 2016, 07:31:26 PM

EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

If they destroy the internet they destroy bitcoin. Bitcoin cant exist without the internet.

they cant even destroy their foolishness how they will destroy something like bitcoin?

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Quote from: chek2fire on June 04, 2016, 07:31:26 PM

EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

If they destroy the internet they destroy bitcoin. Bitcoin cant exist without the internet.

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EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

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Quote from: calkob on June 04, 2016, 05:11:46 PM

It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

the "article" in the daily mail was not wrote by a investigative reporter, but a commissioned blogger
the extract she grabbed was just 2 sentences of the part that info wars extracted.

basically a game of chinese whispers.. every time the message passes on.. a bit of understanding and context is lost.

she even goes on to say that the document was "leaked" and subsequently publicly released. kind of like trying to say she was part of an "exclusive" report that opens a big can of worms... yet there are no worms

i really wish people would read the source material before panicking over the headlines..
headlines are called clickbait..
short extracts are called out of context sentances

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U.K has always liked dictating what is good for the population and then telling the rest of the world to follow suit.
I do see the problem being a lot more troubling because I recall a time before the internet when people ate everything the government fed them.
We could easily slip back into that ugly coma state and it will be business as usual. This grab at privacy needs to be brought out into the open so that even the dumb dumbs understand what they are giving up.

My comment about Infowars was not to make the link invalid,just to point out the mentality of the people that eat from that site as their main source of news.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on June 04, 2016, 05:14:55 PM

Oh but they will try to force ISP to change the TCP/IP protocol to a more "friendly" one.

They can cutoff entire Europe from the internet and create a great firewall like china and enforce the laws on the intranet.

They can force browsers to put backdoor in their software.

They can force operating systems to comply with this.

And other evil stuff.

Anyone can be an ISP. Millions of people evade the chinese firewall each day, one statistic that is thrown around is that 80% of chinese use tools to evade the firewall. We already have open source browsers and operating systems that aren't backdoored, we'll just use and maintain those old versions or remove the backdoor code from the new one.

You can't "undo" technology or take it back. The technology that powers the internet is already in the hands of the people.

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EU has been quite good to Bitcoin, China is not. But Chinese trade more coins. Europe should be more pro demarcacy , pro free market, less control.

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Quote from: calkob on June 04, 2016, 05:11:46 PM

It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

I know, I rarely watch infowars nowadays but i just saw it in on youtube first on the thumbnails and i instantly got freaked out.

This is really the worst thing imaginable, we will live in total tyrrany if this gets passed.

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Quote from: greyhawk on June 04, 2016, 05:11:21 PM

This bill if real shows a clear misunderstanding about the inner workings of the internet, which is a decentralized computer network. The bill is completely unenforceable.

Oh but they will try to force ISP to change the TCP/IP protocol to a more "friendly" one.

They can cutoff entire Europe from the internet and create a great firewall like china and enforce the laws on the intranet.

They can force browsers to put backdoor in their software.

They can force operating systems to comply with this.

And other evil stuff.

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It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

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This bill if real shows a clear misunderstanding about the inner workings of the internet, which is a decentralized computer network. The bill is completely unenforceable.

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Quote from: Evildrum on June 04, 2016, 05:03:44 PM

Option is usually a term they use as they stand over you with the water boarding.
Its the grind on us that people do not get upset because it seems small enough.
Then it becomes mandatory because it is working so well off fake stats they cook up.

If you want to understand infowars,give the call in segments a listen. Cool

It will be optional first, and mandatory later.Of course, thats always how it works. But this draft bill is a serious threat to bitcoin.

And mark my words other countries will implement these protocols as well not just EU.

So the entire internet is at risk!

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Option is usually a term they use as they stand over you with the water boarding.
Its the grind on us that people do not get upset because it seems small enough.
Then it becomes mandatory because it is working so well off fake stats they cook up.

If you want to understand infowars,give the call in segments a listen. Cool

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