Topic: Europe need to change gone are the old days like it was (Read 365 times)

Why would they want to do something like that? Just because Europa was the most successful one that attacked and took resources, people act as if they were the only ones who ever did that. In reality, if you look at history, it doesn't matter if you look at Americas, or Africa, or Asia, no matter where you look, everywhere all around the world people attacked each other, had wars, and took resources from each other, there is literally zero exceptions to this.

Just because Europe also did it, doesn't mean they are the only ones, they were just the most successful ones. Just like how they just have financial superiority now so they do not need to worry while others do not have that so they have to rely on Europe to pay them. Look at China and Russia, they look super rich right now, but in reality, if the west stopped trading with them, neither would have any market to sell their things to.

We are not in the Medieval age where you could easily invade the homeland of another and take our resources. Europe has the wherewithal to source for a kind of resources they might be lacking, wether it's mineral resources or what have you, the only difficult part of it is that most of these things might be too expensive now and those countries they could easily invade some centuries back and get those things, they will have to pay higher fees now to get it and they have the resources to pay.
On the other hand, if you look at it critically you will begin to ask yourself what are those things that Europe will be lacking at this point in time, they are literally developed to the peak, while other continents are still struggling to get to where Europe has gotten to.

I wanted to say that such tales of anti-Western propaganda (everything is very expensive there, ordinary people are poor, live on the streets,...) are very primitive, and aimed at the audience that either can not check this data, or fundamentally supports the propaganda, manipulating information . I agree that a bowl of rice in Cambodia is noticeably cheaper than a steak of selected beef in the US or EU. But that doesn't mean that people in Cambodia have more income and opportunities.... That's exactly what I meant

My answer was to pooya, I simply quoted it from your post. Yes, that's a normal practice and I don't find anything wrong with it, no, it's better than selling without discount or throwing products in the trash. And that's true too, discounts are regular in EU markets and this doesn't mean that the product is about to expire but of course, it's always better to check expiration date if you only eat freshly made products.

Some products are cheap in the US, some are cheap in Germany, some are cheap in Spain, some in Italy and so on. If we keep in mind the product price and income in the USA, then for sure products are cheap there.
Overall, there are supermarkets that are discounters and there are supermarkets like Edeka and Rewe. My favorite supermarket is Kaufland but it depends on the location. Where I live, Edeka is cheaper than Netto or Aldi but in my friend's place, Netto is much cheaper (and with great interior) than any other market around (overall, Netto is always cheap). From my experience, when it comes to price and quality combination, if we compare all supermarkets, then Kaufland is the best.

This is a normal practice in many networks and it's ok ! If you need a product today - why not buy at a discount a product that will soon expire?!

But I was talking about something else - discounts in networks, promotions and other marketing activities - this is a regular process, and it does not only apply to products that expire.  And my main point was that the prices in US grocery chains are really not high, no matter who doesn't like it .

I think, I agree with you. The US probably allows Europe to have as high GDP as the US regimen wants but at the same time, I'd love to say that there is a significant difference between a work-life balance in EU and in the USA. As far as I know, in the US it's norm to work more than 45 hours per week while in EU, you mostly work 36-40 hours a week (lunch time is not always paid).
To sum up, Americans work way more than Europeans (but I have no idea about the productivity).

If the product is about to expire, then what? You can buy it dirt cheap and eat before it expires, I see nothing wrong with this attitude but to be honest, there are sales very often on many products, that don't expire anytime soon. I eat a high protein diet and I buy protein puddings, they are on sale very often but it doesn't mean that they are about to expire soon, they are just for sale. Usually, when meat is for sale, it's going to expire soon. Beer, Liqueurs, Energy Drinks, Protein Puddings, Skyr, Milk (cow, nut, Kokosnus) are for sale very often.
Overall, food is not dirt cheap in Europe but it depends on the country. In some countries, food looks cheap but salary is very low and makes that food very expensive while in some countries it looks like food is expensive but salary is so high that food becomes very cheap.

Yes, that's right, I live in Ukraine just for some time worked on a contract in the U.S., so I could personally observe what happens there “from the inside”, and not in the mode of a tourist, because between a long term full-fledged residence and a tourist visit to the country, forms quite different assessments of reality .

The fact that prices have risen is silly to deny ! Inflation does not go anywhere and especially after the huge pressures on the budget, after the huge amounts of money printed, including the global pandemic COVID 19,....
But I wanted to say something else - when they say that in the USA “everything is very expensive”, it can be said only from the point of view of a resident of a very poor country, with very low incomes of the majority of the population. plus - I have something to compare with, I was lucky to visit many countries over the years, more than 40, and this allows me to talk about the prices of basic products in different countries and on different continents.
Yes, there are regional differences in some products, for example a pineapple in Aldi cost about 1.5 - 2 dollars, and in Srilanka - 0.5 dollars, and these are the most delicious pineapples But for example strawberries - almost the same price in Aldi and in large grocery chains in Ukraine. vegetables, meat, spices - in Ukraine cheaper, but the level of income is noticeably lower. Therefore, a resident of Haiti will see the prices in Aldi - for him they will seem very high, but it is not because the price in Aldi is high, but because incomes in Haiti are incommensurably lower. At the same time, do not forget about the breadth of the assortment, promotions, discounts. Where it is really expensive, and it is noticeable at every step - for example, for me it is Norway. But... wages and taxes are noticeably higher there

I know you are not from USA, but the point is that it's more expensive than it used to be. A test has been done, and even tiktokers who are not even scientists are seeing the difference too, but of course financial investors published papers too.

Stuff like meat, and farming products grew as much as 4 times in the last 5 years in price, which means they are still quite expensive. I have checked my nations version of a website like that, and mine is even bigger, it's 7 times more expensive where I live, but for USA it's 4 times higher in the last 5 years. Unless there is a war going on in your nation, which USA doesn't have one, there is no reason why food should grow 4 times more expensive in 5 years, that makes no sense, that is what inflation looks like.

If you can ever talk to anyone from USA, and ask them what they paid 1 kg beef in 2020 and what they pay for it now, you can see the difference. The good part about USA is that, other nations did even worse, so USA getting less worse made them look better.

Can you give me some solid evidence that this is a fake, or expired or stock ?  Well, or start with the words “in my personal opinion, although I have no proof, it is...” and then the actual text

I do not know what you are told about life in the U.S., but when I worked there - prices in large chain stores, for basic products, were really very low and can even say competitive with prices in Ukraine (this is for the period 1998-2000), while in Ukraine food products of high quality and affordable price, which I also know personally. Now it is easy to check this by going to the sites of retail chains in the U.S., and compare prices. The convenience of the modern and developed world is that you can easily check any information - both to form your own opinion and to check propaganda. Of course, if there is such a desire

Bottom line: go to the websites of these food retailers:
Aldi
Food Lion
Target
Costco


And tell me what is so expensive there, taking into account the average income of US residents?
And it will be especially interesting to compare the prices for basic products with the prices for them in your country, taking into account the average income in your country, let's compare, let's find out the truth ?

Imported goods are sometimes more expensive, Red Bull here is about the same 1.5 Euro here as well because it is imported (with tariffs and the higher exchange rate they use it becomes more expensive). It is harsher in certain products that are more expensive like computer hardware these days. For example a GPU worth $700 is sometimes sold here at $1000+.

Otherwise food is generally cheaper in Iran. I recently posted some numbers here, prices haven't changed except tomatoes that have come down and reached $0.5 per kilo from $1.4.

As for rent, it is the same if not worse here. Specially in the Capital if you have to rent, then you're screwed because it will eat into your salary. Thank god I own a house...

Yeah, most of them had an illusion that life in Europe and the USA is very easy, like you do nothing and get paid decently but when they moved in there, they found that life is hard even in Europe. Some people look for food in trash cans but when they call their family, they are lying, they are saying that they earn lots of money but don't have much collected because they spent all of them in clubs and to have lots of fun.

No, that's not nonsense, that' reality. Food is very cheap and affordable abroad compared to my country. The average salary in my country is 400-500$ but in Italy, it's 1700 Euro. Rent is more expensive in my country than in Italy, the only positive side that exists here is that most of us own apartments and don't live in rent. My relative is in Italy and we were compared the prices of products, almost everything is 2-3 times cheaper in Italy than here while Italians earn at least 3-4 times more than us.
I was only in Italy and the cost of Red Bull was 0.85-1 Euro while the price of the same Red Bull in my country is 1.5 Euro. It's 50% more expensive here than in Italy. I don't know what are the prices in Iran but Europe is very cheap compared to my country while they earn 3-4 times more than us. In my country, if you don't have an apartment, 100% of your salary goes into rent while in Italy you can pay rent, buy food, and clothes and save some at the same time.

There is such a tendency in all countries - financial and industrial centers - create comfortable conditions, jobs, attract investment, and in such cities life is much better than in the rest. Even the city center will be different from the outskirts of the city, and this is also a “standard situation”. I have visited more than 40 countries, I have seen capitals and big cities, I have seen small provincial cities - everywhere the picture is the same - Take New York and Santa Clara for example. Same country, but totally different “views”. You can say that about all countries ! Visit Spain Madrid or Barcelona and then for example Logroeo. Or compare Mexican Cancun and Guanajuato!
Even “local” Singapore - the central part and for example Sentosa Island - beautiful places, but if you move to the outskirts - there is not so beautiful and dazzling !

I think this is not surprising for countries like Arab because this must be among of those countries where war can always spark. Maybe they also know that war is not good but unfortunately, they think it was their last option to gain or something. It was us innocent people are losers here. Yes, a lot of countries are against with it and this why we have a thing like sanctions.

Yeah, but there are just lazy people and always wants a shortcut in life if engaging in a war is much easier but if not, they still can allocate enough time and resources for it than the other, which crazy. It is okay if they will only be the ones that will suffer but not, because others are also affected with it.

I remember going to Venice, and there was another biennale of contemporary art.

In the scenery of ancient Venetian palaces, contemporary sculptures and paintings by artists from Africa, Asia and South America were exhibited. There were interesting works of art, but, in my opinion, they were much inferior to the realistic creations of ancient Italian masters. And it was very noticeable (in contrast).

Now many politicians are proud of the fact that they know history well. I think that studying history is very harmful. In my opinion, we need to think more about the future than about the past. The colonial past of European countries is a past that should have been forgotten long ago and moved on. It is impossible to forever reflect on the past and feel guilty.

We need to create a positive future, scientific and technological progress and a new humanistic civilization (this is important for all of Humanity).

Yeah, I have seen that as well. I suppose part of it is because most of them have had illusions about their destination and have strived to immigrate all their lives and now that they have reached their goal they cannot accept that many of what they've been told or they've imagined were lies. So their denial is also seen in what they tell others as well.
Nary a week goes by without me seeing an ad from one of those immigration influencers on social media telling us some utter nonsense like buying something dirt cheap from a grocery store and showing it to the camera but not telling the audience that (s)he got it on sale because that product was about to expire!

That's is what every country must do but that is what the US regime will never allow.
Take the look at China. The only reason US regime is waging a war on China risking nuclear war and human extinction is because Chinese did exactly what you are saying Europe should do. They invested in technologies, they strengthened their economy and they grow stronger than US economy.

US regime categorizes countries into two groups and two groups only: clients and enemies.
China is a enemy. Europe is a client.

I'm aware how absurd these things are but that is how US regime sees the world!!! As a client, Europe will be allowed to have a GDP as high as the US regime allows them to have. If they try to do anything that the regime doesn't like, there will be consequences. Last time Macron was on a roll, we saw how France was destabilized and the government had to go as far as declaring martial law to suppress the protests!
We also remember the Plaza Accord back in '85 that destroyed Japanese people's lives, just because the "clients' economies" were growing faster and becoming more profitable than the American economy...

BTW Trump recently threatened Europe to continue buying super expensive American energy and continue deindustrializing or have their economies crushed by tariffs...

Europeans don't respect neither honor their history because they were brainwashed since an early age to believe they are the villain in the history of the world, guilty for the current misery and poverty third world countries face due to the times of colonialism. In the last 15 years this brainwashing just got stronger at educational sphere, so the younger generations aren't proud of their heritage, neither desire to continue the traditions which took them by the present time.

Those who still try to embrace their origins and promote their traditions are cancelled by modern common sense (media and scholars). Europe has been being destroyed from inside, without any official war declarations against it. The belief of having a "historical debt" with the world has took the bravery and proudness of Europe away. Europe should be reference of quality for the rest of the world, but they gave up to mediocrity.

If this mindset doesn't change soon, there won't be Europe anymore in the next decades. It's not necessary to subdue or dominate another countries. It's just a matter of imposing a stance of self-respect and preservation of local culture, traditions and legacy.

This guy isn't very serious with his posts. if you check his profile, you'll see that he has created 284 threads while his total post count is 521. His aim is to create a thread and feed spammers but the title of this thread is really a very interesting topic to discuss, that's why I'm here right now.

Europe needs to change but not in a way that OP describes, Emanuel Macron had a very interesting speech about the future of EU. Europe is over-regulating everything and under-investing, that's why it's behind the US because since 2008, the USA's GDP became higher than EU's GDP. EU isn't investing in modern technologies and that's a huge mistake. There should be more EU companies similar to Amazon, Walmart, Google, Netflix. EU is doing everything in a very old-fashioned way, it feels like people don't like innovations here. Nordic countries are doing way better, Germany doesn't have tech companies and it doesn't pay it well here compared to the USA or Ireland or Nordic countries.

In my country the economic and political situation is much worse than in the EU....

However, I have travelled around Europe and have drawn some conclusions for myself. In my opinion, Europeans make many mistakes that they could avoid. In particular, in my opinion, they do not value their European civilization enough.

Ancient Greece with its cult of the body and philosophy... Ancient Rome with its emphasis on discipline and self-improvement... Christianity with its moral and ethical values... The Renaissance with its brilliant sculpture, architecture and painting... The French Enlightenment with its Declaration of the Rights of Man....

All these pillars of European civilization are not respected enough by the Europeans themselves. Europe needs to focus on its old European values, combining them with the most advanced modern technologies!

And Europe definitely needs to get rid of its big bureaucracy.  It is also probably necessary to reconsider immigration policy and resume the construction of nuclear power plants (without this, neither industrial development, nor the development of artificial intelligence, nor Bitcoin mining are possible).

The European Union has a wonderful future and I sincerely wish it prosperity!

That's true also because I have a friend who lives in Dubai and he told me exactly the same but at the same time he also told me that the quality of life in Dubai is very good if you work in the informational technologies and wellness industry, it comes from his personal experience. He migrated from my country to Dubai illegally, was working in a hotel but now is in wellness, took care of his documents and is very grateful.

Btw I've noticed that many people lie. I have friends and relatives in the EU and US. Many of them say that salaries in Europe are very high, fore example, manual labourers who work on building an apartment earns up to 6000 Euro a month net, which is a total lie because I work in EU based company and I know from foreigners that salaries in EU range from 1500-3000 in the best case. Many people also say that in the US you can earn $5000 a month by doing something as basic as being a guard. I know that they are lying but I don't understand what's the point of lying.

Arab countries have evolved significantly, they’ve strengthened their military defenses and are prepared for conflict. Even though the UK may have superior military capabilities, war is never a good option. It impacts countless lives, particularly the economy of the nations involved, whether directly attacked or as attackers. additionally,, many countries would condemn such aggression, as it goes against humanitarian principles.

If Europe is facing economic struggles, they should focus on rebuilding and improving their economies rather than resorting to war to exploit the resources of other nations. Promoting war would lead to chaos, and the peace and stability we currently enjoy could be lost. ( we don't want that).....

Just as Europe has NATO, Arab nations have their own alliance called MESA. A conflict between these powers could spiral into a world war, and honestly, I can’t even imagine what the world would look like if that were to happen.