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Topic: Everything you wanted to know about Grayscale BTC Trust but were afraid to ask! - page 28. (Read 17091 times)

legendary
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You are welcome, fellow journalists: here there are all the new investments in GBTC!


Yes, journalists really do not have time for the Fillippone table, but still the SEC announces it officially, so they write about it, for example, the message: "in a statement dated August 27, filed with the SEC, the Miller Opportunity Trust fund announced the ownership of 1.5 million shares of Grayscale Bitcoin Trust. Their total cost as of June 30 was $44.7 million" Smiley  https://u.today/billionaire-bill-millers-value-fund-discloses-447-million-stake-in-grayscales-bitcoin-trust

legendary
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In fact, I could have had a look at your spreadsheet first but I must admit I failed to read it in a while. You're right, fellow journalists could come here and suck the knowledge out of your precious work. Or, actually, they're already doing that.  Wink
Keep up the excellent work fillippone

legendary
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New documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reveal that four asset management firms have acquired shares in Grayscale's Bitcoin Investment Trust.
As first reported by MacroScope, a Twitter feed dedicated to institutional trading and asset management, the firms revealed their holdings in GBTC in new documents for the period ending June 30, 2021.
Major companies are finding new and diversified ways to gain exposure to Bitcoin. As reported by Cointelegraph, tech giant Intel recently revealed a sizable position in Coinbase stock, a move that effectively gives the company a sdirect exposure to the cryptocurrency market.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/wealth-managers-gain-exposure-to-bitcoin-via-grayscale-according-to-new-sec-filings

But you already know that!
Fillippone told you so updating that spreadsheet!

If you looked in my spreadsheet, you could already spot that investment.
But I fin that quite uninteresting.
What about NEW investment?

Filter the spreadsheet to HODL period =<0.25, reference date = 30/06/21 or later:



You are welcome, fellow journalists: here there are all the new investments in GBTC!

No one can keep up with the Italian stallion.. Just to give others a fair chance, we are going to have to put some 200 lb weights on you, or perhaps 200 kilos would be MOAR better?
legendary
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New documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reveal that four asset management firms have acquired shares in Grayscale's Bitcoin Investment Trust.
As first reported by MacroScope, a Twitter feed dedicated to institutional trading and asset management, the firms revealed their holdings in GBTC in new documents for the period ending June 30, 2021.
Major companies are finding new and diversified ways to gain exposure to Bitcoin. As reported by Cointelegraph, tech giant Intel recently revealed a sizable position in Coinbase stock, a move that effectively gives the company a sdirect exposure to the cryptocurrency market.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/wealth-managers-gain-exposure-to-bitcoin-via-grayscale-according-to-new-sec-filings

But you already know that!
Fillippone told you so updating that spreadsheet!

If you looked in my spreadsheet, you could already spot that investment.
But I fin that quite uninteresting.
What about NEW investment?

Filter the spreadsheet to HODL period =<0.25, reference date = 30/06/21 or later:



You are welcome, fellow journalists: here there are all the new investments in GBTC!

legendary
Activity: 2310
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New documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reveal that four asset management firms have acquired shares in Grayscale's Bitcoin Investment Trust.
As first reported by MacroScope, a Twitter feed dedicated to institutional trading and asset management, the firms revealed their holdings in GBTC in new documents for the period ending June 30, 2021.
Major companies are finding new and diversified ways to gain exposure to Bitcoin. As reported by Cointelegraph, tech giant Intel recently revealed a sizable position in Coinbase stock, a move that effectively gives the company a sdirect exposure to the cryptocurrency market.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/wealth-managers-gain-exposure-to-bitcoin-via-grayscale-according-to-new-sec-filings
legendary
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The next series of unlocks is planned no earlier than 2022


This is something I called on a message above, and it is clearly visible from my spreadsheet.
Regarding the "next series of unlocks" I would say that there are NO PLANS, as the fund is currently closed.
So at the moment there are no unlocks.
In the event of the fund subscription reopening, the first unlocks of course will be in 2022, as the unlock period is 6 months.
legendary
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According to bybt, on Wednesday, August 25, there was the last GBTC unlock this year, which amounted to the equivalent of only 58 BTC. The biggest unlocking of GBTC shares occurred on July 18, which amounted to 16,240 BTC. The next series of unlocks is planned no earlier than 2022, therefore there will be no noticeable pressure on the price of bitcoin, at least from the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust.  https://cointelegraph.com/news/grayscale-bitcoin-trust-fud-is-now-over-as-the-last-gbtc-unlock-totals-just-58-btc


legendary
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Here you are: I just updated the spreadsheet with new filings:



Morgan Stanley is now one of the biggest holder with different total sizes across different portfolios.
You see from the last column that they just bought their stash.

I do appreciate that you updated that spreadsheet information in Op.. not that I completely understand it, but for sure, anyone who wants to study the significance of the various spreadsheets can do so through Op and also subsequent postings in this thread.

I would like to suggest that it might be easier if there were a "last updated" date that would be contained next to each spreadsheet link - and also within that particular spreadsheet there is a column that provides an amount for the "last change," but there is no column that states the date of the last change (which might be helpful, perhaps?)
legendary
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Here you are: I just updated the spreadsheet with new filings:



Morgan Stanley is now one of the biggest holder with different total sizes across different portfolios.
You see from the last column that they just bought their stash.

legendary
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Morgan Stanley has decided to increase its position in the Grayscale BTC Trust:

They bought 928,051 GBTC shares.


Since April they have been investing in GBTC. MS has been very active in the crypto space over the past few months just by setting up funds to be dedicated to buying (direct or indirect) Bitcoin and cryptos.
As for indirect purchases on BTC, Morgan Stanley established the Institutional Fund, Institutional Fund Trust, Insight Fund, and Variable Insurance Fund just last April. Each of these funds can invest up to 25% of its assets in bitcoin.
In March, Morgan Stanley had instead established the first fund of its kind, the FS NYDIG Select Bitcoin Fund, which attracted nearly $30 million from investors.
It was the first major U.S. bank to offer its clients the direct purchase of fund shares that allow them to take a position in Bitcoin.
An old jurassic monster, eating the revolutionary meal.
legendary
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According to the buybitcoinworldwide.com, 816,379 BTC worth $38.3 billion are currently owned by 14 bitcoin fund issuers and asset managers, which is about 3.9% of the total BTC supply.
The industry leader, the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust, represents more than 3% of the bitcoin supply, managing 654,600 BTC (worth $30.7 billion ( according to bybt.com 649,350 BTC worth $31.62 billion).




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Grayscale, the world’s largest digital asset management firm, saw a sharp increase in the overall value of its cryptocurrency assets under management (AUM) after the latest rally in Bitcoin (BTC) and Ethereum (ETH).
Overall, the total value of Grayscale’s digital assets under management currently stands at around $43 billion.

https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/grayscales-bitcoin-holdings-cross-31-billion/?utm_source=cryptorank&utm_medium=rss
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/news/gbtc-under-fire-from-chicago-firm
There you go.
I'm sorry but that's under a paywall but if you Google that well you should be able to find more on that.
That's a very bad situation for Grayscale and if they won't switch to an etf soon it's gonna be hard for the trust.

Yes.. I noticed the paywall, and all of the googled articles on Marlton and GBTC were several weeks ago.. so the statement of Marlton's disappointment regarding their GBTC position seems to have been a recent development.. and part of the solution might have been to have invested directly in bitcoin - even though of course, we know that some companies do feel better going through some kind of investment vehicle - and there continue to be NOT too many investment vehicles out there.
legendary
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https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/news/gbtc-under-fire-from-chicago-firm
There you go.
I'm sorry but that's under a paywall but if you Google that well you should be able to find more on that.
That's a very bad situation for Grayscale and if they won't switch to an etf soon it's gonna be hard for the trust.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
And in the meantime Marlton, a private investment firm, had something to say about Grayscale Bitcoin Trust in a letter sent to its partners today.
The firm basically claimed that its investments in GBTC and other Grayscale-related trades have been a disaster as the difference between trust NAV and market value fluctuated too much through the first half of this year. Marlton has been unwinding those positions as a result.
Dear Marlton if you'd have bought real Btc instead! Grin

Do you have a link?
legendary
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And in the meantime Marlton, a private investment firm, had something to say about Grayscale Bitcoin Trust in a letter sent to its partners today.
The firm basically claimed that its investments in GBTC and other Grayscale-related trades have been a disaster as the difference between trust NAV and market value fluctuated too much through the first half of this year. Marlton has been unwinding those positions as a result.
Dear Marlton if you'd have bought real Btc instead! Grin
legendary
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Assets under the management of the Grayscale Ethereum Trust fund exceeded $10 billion, which currently corresponds to the value of 3,140,000 ETH at the market rate and amounts to $10.5 billion.


legendary
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I think the biggest differentiator that puts the DCA guy into another league is the fact that those DCA guys who combined their money with their knowledge basically did bingo. IMO one thing's to blindly accept a DCA strategy, other thing's too put the strategy forth because one's recognizing the value of the underlying asset!
I mean I could have done DCA with stocks but naming some names would put this strategy into oblivion.
You got the point.
Bitcoin + DCA is a kind of Universal Law to me now.
legendary
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I know, I know even my closest friends sometimes get to tell me I'm a pain in the ass on some things.
Looking at the market these days I can't complain but I never really can't complain. DCA works good (thanks to you too jjg).
I'll leave GBTC shares and profits to the institutionals, while I keep stacking sats in any possible way.
See ya around here guys.

That's great.

Just consider how many peeps who got scared from this most recent 56% dip that lasted 2-3 months.. and sure we are not even fully recovered from it yet (even though it is seeming quite convincing that the bottom is in) - and of course one additional levels of complication with GBTC, because they dipped even further in their going from a premium to a negative.. while they also reflect spot price too... so they had a dip of their premium that arguably started 4-5 months before BTC's spot price started to fall in this latest dip.. with a double whammy.

Many of us wee peasants could have gotten paralyzed or even run out of money on the way down, but a DCA strategy would still suggest to at least hold some of your money aside to be continuing with the DCA strategy, whether it is $10 per week, $25 per week, $100 per week or some other amount that might be more or less aggressive depending on personal financial and psychological circumstances. 

GBTC would not have been so easy as to allow for such "peasant" tailoring... at least not the initial product, even if more tailoring might have been possible for some of the guys who are able to participate in GBTC secondary markets... complicated, no?

And the guy who directly bought BTC through all of this time including the one who aggressively directly stacked BTC for $100 per week over the past 8 years would have already gotten himself about $2.5 million in current spot price value (about 55 BTC), which surely puts that same DCAing guy in the league of some of the GBTC investors (even if he might not have initially qualified for getting into GBTC when he first got started into buying BTC directly).

 Of course, mistakes are frequently made along the way too and people do not necessarily learn a focused technique when the first get started in buying BTC .. and the volatility can really throw off a lot of people, but they can still evolve into a more aggressive and consistent DCA strategy - and hopefully without messing up his/her own cashflow along the way and hopefully not getting scared out of his/her DCA strategy that so far has been proven to be one of the best of strategies in staying actively involved in BTC accumulation - and the longer the time doing it, the better it has been historically for the DCAing accumulators involved in BTC.

One of the problems of the peasant could be that s/he might not have any other investment or any other investment opportunities, so s/he might get scared away from ongoing BTC investing in a DCAing kind of way because after a while and s/he might start to accumulate so much relative wealth in BTC, then s/he may start to feel way over allocated into BTC at various points when the BTC price is going up.. so anyone involved in BTC for nearly 8 years has gone through close to two full cycles, even though many of us will suggest that the first full cycle might feel like the worst in terms of feeling some financial/psychological insecurity, but even the longer term BTC accumulator.. might get scared away from some of the ongoing DCA'ing too and part of that might well be due to the considerable outperformance that BTC has historically shown, relative to any other investment category.. which can be quite difficult to manage financially and psychologically.

Let's consider the possibility that the one who had been able to be more aggressive with $100 per week might ONLY have an income of a couple thousand per month.. so gosh when their whole BTC holdings has appreciated to such relatively large sums of money.. there are going to likely be many points along the way in which they are going to be very tempted to either draw from their BTC holdings or to put such value into other investments (which none of us can really blame them from having and even acting on such temptations).  Sure, I am not talking about reallocating into shitcoins here.. I am just referring to equities, property, PMs and even cash. even if maybe the ongoing investor could still consider that BTC remains as the best of investments and they could still continue to DCA into BTC - even if they remain vastly overallocated in BTC.  These are tough decisions for a lot of us, even for many of us who have been in BTC for a long time, even though the first full cycle is likely the most difficult, relatively speaking in terms of getting to a larger BTC investment portfolio size, which could also tempt normies into screwing things up in one way or another.. so none of us is completely immuned.
legendary
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I know, I know even my closest friends sometimes get to tell me I'm a pain in the ass on some things.
Looking at the market these days I can't complain but I never really can't complain. DCA works good (thanks to you too jjg).
I'll leave GBTC shares and profits to the institutionals, while I keep stacking sats in any possible way.
See ya around here guys.
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