Topic: eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20 - page 49. (Read 28038 times)

I've found it helpful when I used it so I'd recommend it to ppl who are looking for a quick swap with a principled trusted name. I haven't used other services since my short post but I'll use it when I need. If there's sustained assuredness from reviewers more ppl will use it.

It's a reliable service. When you know there's no KYC it's another bonus reason to test out using small swaps. If ppl like the service they'll become regular users when they need swaps.

I agree with you, I wonder why this service isn't more popular around here: no KYC, no account required, nothing complicated. It's fast, cheap and reliable.
It's by far the most convenient exchange service I've used!

I hope OP will one day add USDT with the Polygon network, so I won't have to use less privacy-friendly services at all!  

Just want to report that I got around to trying out exch.cx today and it worked exceptionally well.

Minus transaction/gas fees, the overall exchange had a fee of about 1%. The exchange itself was just about as 'instant' as it gets. The fact that no account is required is a definite plus.

Was surprised to see that this service has been around since 2014... coincidentally their forum account was registered on the same day as mine.

Will definitely be using exch.cx again in the future when quick swaps are required.

However, is it possible for the english-speaking segment to be interested in those services instead? I mean, such exchangers still offer many features which are no longer available in the field where english-speaking segment operate the most. That is why they can refer to services, which have no such strict regulations, for now at least.

You won't. First of all, because Bestchange we all knew and trusted 10-15 years ago isn't the same Bestchange today. After some certain events related to raids and arrests in the mid of the 2010 decade, Bestchange has given up their independency to FSB and it's now fully curated by law enforcement, hence new rules on their monitoring to only admit exchangers that gave up their identities via rigorous due diligence process and dedication to promote AMLBot. There are a lot of posts in the russian-speaking forum Bits Media made by Bestchange's account that already expose all that I talk about, so you certainly don't need to hear from them to find out all of this.

There were also attempts to dox our service by both Bestchange and AMLBot :-) I could even publish email conversations initiated by both of them but find it unnecessary to heat things up. There is a lot of far more important stuff to do for us instead of helping Bestchange digging their own grave.

Orangefren has all the potential to become a fully-featured Bestchange alternative, but I guess since most of instant exchangers are russians and ukrainians that operate in the scope of reselling Whitebit for crypto-crypto operations and targeting banking card on/offramping following the same AML/KYC terms and using the same site engine available for anyone to purchase, they are not really interested in the english-speaking segment. Most of them are copies of each other with a different branding. Very few listed on Bestchange operate with their own reserves and represent significance for this community.


Of course they do, they exist with a purpose to help LE and compete with each other to acquire as much as possible federal contracts. They are not here to help privacy-minded people.

I never used this AMBLBot (or any similar services) to check my Bitcoin addresses, and I didn't know AMLBot history up until now, but there was always something fishy about them.
It's sad that many people still use them to check addresses, maybe they are offering some basic free reports idk.

I would love to hear Bestchange side of the story, but I am still actively searching for good Bestchange alternative.
Maybe Orangefren (or someone else) will finally add best deals for cash to crypto trading offers and vice versa.

I will check them out.

There are options to hide ID addresses with Tor and VPN, but I am sure they keep all the records, especially if they are based in Five Eye countries.

Will be glad to chat about it off-the-record.


I have noticed that very often people in this community confuse the trading mark "AMLBot" with the term that defines AML/risk score screening platforms in general. I think it needs to be clarified, since today I have read at least 3 posts discussing AML screening mechanisms and people define them as "AML bots", most likely due to a confusion caused by the AMLBot trademark.

1. What are AML/risk screening platforms?

First of all, AML and risk screening platforms are not bots by their nature. They are databases that contain data gathered from continuous blockchain analysis performed by human-made categorization/reporting enhanced with AI/ML in order to automate funds flow tracking. An AML/risk score address check is a query to a such database via some application layer interface provided by the database operator.

2. What is "AMLBot"?

"AMLBot" is an extremely unreliable risk screening platform operated by a russian team under a company name "SAFELEMENT LIMITED" registered in Hong Kong. Their initial investors and founders come from a high-profile cybercrime background with roots in post-Soviet states who wanted to launder their crypto, therefore they have invested in a such platform that would launder money for them, which was a strategically good decision from a long-term perspective.

AMLBot was initially partnering with the current industry leader Elliptic to source their data and their reputation was good for the excellent data quality and simplified access, till Elliptic has decided to boot AMLBot for contractual violations and potentional money laundering facilitation, since AMLBot has started to provide a Telegram bot permitting the platform access anonymously (given that a Telegram account can be registered using disposable numbers provided by services such as "SMS-Activate" and then be used along with a Tor instance to obfuscate IP).
Once AMLBot have lost their possibility to resell Elliptic, their data quality has drastically reduced and their databases that they have built for themselves during the partnership with Elliptic stopped to be up-to-date because an absence of a reliable source.
Currently, their customers might spend 5 credits for an extended address check that shows all the coin sources and receive nothing as a result ("Unnamed entities"), while checking the same address using any other AML screening platform will provide proper categorization and results.

Since most big market players were aware of that incident, AMLBot was able to somehow survive only because of Bestchange, their close partner, doing most of promotion for them, since Bestchange actively push instant exchangers that wish to be listed to become AMLBot customers (basically insisting) and it seems Bestchange doesn't even consider results from other (and more reputable) AML/risk screening providers when there are disputes between exchangers and their customers within the AML/risk scope, which is a misleading practice on purpose.
Taking a look at AMLBot's customers shows that a considerable part of them are Bestchange long-term resident services, as laterly everybody who is old enough in the industry knows that AMLBot can't be taken seriously.

AMLBot is also known for doing gypsy tricks such as reducing score for some addresses if they were checked on their Telegram bot, therefore, if someone tells you that AML platforms do it, they mostly refer to AMLBot, since this is a nonsensical technique and isn't practiced by more reputable AML/risk screening providers whose customers are world-class LE agencies who need more precise results.

AMLBot is mostly popular within russian-speaking communities, since their close affiliation with Bestchange and providing a Telegram bot and the platform in russian. They were also a first platform to provide access to non-corporate individuals.

3. What are alternatives to AMLBot available to private individuals?

Today, there are many existing alternatives to AMLBot available to private individuals, since the ask for such platforms has increased with appearance of private individuals wanting to perform on-chain investigations.

Here is a list of such:

GetBlock https://getblock.net/en/
MistTrack (by SlowMist) https://misttrack.io
MetaSleuth https://metasleuth.io
Arkham https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com
TRM Labs https://www.trmlabs.com

Thanks to these, today we have many "on-chain sleuths" very popular at the crypto soymilk drinking twitter (see @zachxbt and @tayvano_ who are mad hack/exploit victims that turned into individual crypto detectives providing interesting insights from time to time).

Unfortunately, there is no way to use these platforms without associating your IP with address check results, however if you intend to check your own addresses there, I recommend checking third-party addresses as well to create entropy so there is no way to tell whose are belong to you.
Fortunately, there are residential IP proxy services that can be used in a combination with Tor to obfuscate your original IP address. Good residential proxies are not flagged by IP score screening systems...

Finally, there is another free and absolutely anonymous way to have your BTC checked for a risk score, however without getting categorization and risk score details - Wasabi Wallet's default coordinator (or shall we call it "official"?...). They use the AML/risk screening provider called Coinfirm to check submitted UTXOs for the risk score. UTXOs with a high risk score (that usually contain sources such as hacking/exploit/fraud/scam/etc) are rejected from the mixing round and get banned for 1 month from being submitted. If your BTC is what's considered "clean", it won't be rejected and you can withdraw it from a mixing round right before a start. This is a good way to ensure you have minimally "clean" BTC if you don't want to pay for checks or bother with registering on some platforms. This technique only works for checking your own funds. There is even a way to automate it, since they have an API.

Thanks, I might do that.

Just curios, what tools exactly you are using to rate if coins coming from eXch have good or bad score?
I really don't trust AML bots and similar tools, and I suspect they could use any address that users type for check could potentially be flagged as suspicious in future.
If not flagged, address check records will certainly be saved somewhere with an IP address.

Maybe better to OP to display another language Ann translated link to the main page, so if a local member (who doesn't really understand English), which have a problem or ask some question, they can ask it on the local language Ann thread. This is just my suggestion because I found some members display the link to ann local thread on his post here.

1. Bahasa Indonesia
2. Português (Portuguese)
3. Deutsch (German)

maybe in the future, we will meet more another translation link here with various languages, because some signature participants come from different mother languages.

I was pretty surprised that eXch exchange provide communication with the clients in Ukrainian language. For me as Ukrainian it is a big advantage, since the mother tongue is always preferable especially while discussing some specifics like a crypto exchange services. Moreover, Ukrainian language is not so widespread, that is why I can conclude that the team make an accent on the Ukrainian audience as well.

Had the same thing happen to me. It's vile.

It's a review/discussion thread, not a translation.. but thanks for the mention, I'll translate the OP and add it on top of the review.. it will look better.

Hey eXch, I just noticed the new shape of your OP and it looks very nice!

Other than that, I also noticed that you added two translations to OP. I have two mentions here: (1) would you like to have your topic translated in more foreign languages?; (2) the Portuguese translation is made for the old format of OP, thus sabotag3x (the author of the translation) should update it.

No, we have developed our own algorithm for that.



An unfortunate story that could happen to anyone independently of a coin source, since it directly depends on education and competence of the law enforcement circle performing investigation. However it has little or no relevance compared to benefits that our aggregated pool provides. I will still repeat - we guarantee risk-free coins in the aggregated pool (including considering risks mentioned in your story). Anyone with access to appropriate risk score screening platforms can verify our address and see what sources our pool contains and that our guarantee is not just words. Feel free to ask more information via private communication channels where we can provide more details.

Good to hear that.
btw are you using other third party exchanges for aggregated pool?

I know you can't guarantee what happens on some other website aka exchange  
Let me clarify what I wanted to say with one real life example I heard from our local board recently.
Guy was doing some trading and he was using centralized exchange for this purpose, he accepted coin from other guy on his exchange account and everything was fine in 2021, other guy received fiat money in this trade.
Centralized exchange was used in this case to avoid getting coins that are connected with some hacks, scams, etc, and nothing was wrong in 2021.
One year later in 2022 he gets a letter from authorities that those coins are coming from scam, and in 2023 (two years later) police confiscate totally different coins from this guy.
They make the rules so they can do whatever they want  

Nobody likes, however the reality is that most mixers advertised on this forum do that and most users seem to be fine with the concept of separate pools (i.e. mixers that send you coins from exchanges and proclaim them as "clean"). eXch is an exchange and it's mandatory for us to have a static Bitcoin address, however, in fact nothing changed for those who prefer our original operation mode., since the "mixed" pool remain there.

There won't be any cost impact at all.


You've misread the whole statement. There is no part in the whole paragraph where we guarantee someone won't be able to confiscate your coins. We only guarantee a good risk-score in *our* aggregated pool.

I don't know what to think about this because I don't like to see bitcoin being divided and there is always a chance of getting different prices, higher aggregates and lower mixed.
After doing some testing I didn't see any difference in price on exch, but I was wondering if this could happen or not?

You can guarantee as much as you like, but centralized exchanges can still confiscate coins whenever they want  

Service update announcement

We now operate with two BTC pools - mixed and aggregated.

Mixed pool was the only pool we had before and serves as a mixing technique itself to preserve privacy. It consists of providing non-reusable addresses for deposits then forwarding them to other orders.

Aggregated pool will help to avoid suspension risks for users who interact with major centralized exchanges and services. We guarantee risk-fee coins coming from it. However, we always recommend Bisq to major exchanges.

Users are able to select which pool to use during order creation. For more information please read our Q&A section at https://exch.cx/faq#aggregation and one of our previous replies https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62692711 in this thread.

Thank you, it's very interesting.

In my opinion would have merited a dedicated topic.

This strategy is becoming more and more common, and few people talk about it accurately. For example, even the Antpool mining pool has just started to impose KYC on their users...  

It is important to do that, and i just checked the terms of service of the instant exchange in your post above and it is really voluminous (and may scare people from reading it), though i personally think is uneccessarily bulky for a crypto-only swap exchange. Anyway it is written in their TOS that they do cooperate with LE and can confiscate people's funds, so it is more like: we don't ask for kyc, but we can lock your funds and ask for it at anytime, if you want privacy, you should stay away from services like this.