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legendary
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August 23, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin any different? You bought coins, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoins any more.
I am taking my money and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

so, how is fiat not a ponzi?

no one really wants dollars, they want stuff.

once the last person refuses to accept worthless paper for stuff, the bagholders will have worthless paper.

everything is a ponzi if you look at it like that.

Fiat isn't a ponzi because it isn't an investment scheme. Fiat is a store of value.
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator"

Fiat is an IOY based on trust in a government (and ofcourse the fact that countries suffer of "Tragedy of the commons" where we "overgraze" our economy and try to sustain our stupid lifestyles, or simply don't care about the govenment because "other" people should do something about it) Smiley

Bitcoin doesn't have an operator an thus is not a ponzi scheme. It does look like a ponzi since people market it as a sure thing.....
legendary
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin any different? You bought coins, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoins any more.
I am taking my money and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

so, how is fiat not a ponzi?

no one really wants dollars, they want stuff.

once the last person refuses to accept worthless paper for stuff, the bagholders will have worthless paper.

everything is a ponzi if you look at it like that.
legendary
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well bitcoin isn't just trading, you are saying that against trading in general, which has little to do with bitcoin...

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Definition of Ponzi scheme is earlier investors are guarantee profit.

That is not the case for bitcoin. Many earlier bitcoin users do not benefit much for the huge gain, coin are lost due to forgotten private key or outright tossing them away because the total amount were small back in the earlier days.

Even if you buy now, it is not a guarantee that you will make profit if bitcoin survive long term. The late comer may profit more than earlier one if the price dropped and then bounce back again.

Bitcoin is more like a total free market asset than a ponzi scheme with no clear winner and loser.



that's not a good example, i mean early in investors in a ponzi could lost their money in other way, bitcoin early investor were rich, if they screwed it at some point they deserved it
legendary
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... people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.

Might be true for now. But when the price shoots up, a lot of people do rush in....

Then rush out at a panic sale...

Resulting in them losing a lot of money. And Bitcoin gets a bad name.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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... people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.

Might be true for now. But when the price shoots up, a lot of people do rush in....

Then rush out at a panic sale...
legendary
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... people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.

Might be true for now. But when the price shoots up, a lot of people do rush in....
hero member
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In a Ponzi scheme I would be passing along money to someone who passes it to others along the line, then I would need to bait someone else into join so more money passes along the line and I can recover my "investment"... in trade you buy something and hope it to value.
You can work a Ponzi scheme with Bitcoins, as you can with Euros, USD or whatever sort of currency. But Bitcoin itself is not a Ponzi scheme!
This is true. Any currency can be used to fund a ponzi scheme. You don't even need to use a single currency, or any currency at all. I would think that it would actually be more difficult to pull off a ponzi with bitcoin because people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.
full member
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin any different? You bought coins, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoins any more.
I am taking my money and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

Definition of Ponzi scheme is earlier investors are guarantee profit.

That is not the case for bitcoin. Many earlier bitcoin users do not benefit much for the huge gain, coin are lost due to forgotten private key or outright tossing them away because the total amount were small back in the earlier days.

Even if you buy now, it is not a guarantee that you will make profit if bitcoin survive long term. The late comer may profit more than earlier one if the price dropped and then bounce back again.

Bitcoin is more like a total free market asset than a ponzi scheme with no clear winner and loser.

legendary
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In a Ponzi scheme I would be passing along money to someone who passes it to others along the line, then I would need to bait someone else into join so more money passes along the line and I can recover my "investment"... in trade you buy something and hope it to value.
You can work a Ponzi scheme with Bitcoins, as you can with Euros, USD or whatever sort of currency. But Bitcoin itself is not a Ponzi scheme!
sr. member
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if btc is a ponzi scheme then so are all the modern financial systems and most fin institutions.
legendary
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If you think ponzi scheme is just early adopters profit on late adopters, then the biggest ponzi must be fiat money: You always need a late adopter to dump your USD in exchange for some goods/services, and the early adopters (banks) pay almost nothing for newly created money. Same goes for pension fund, where you need young people from the next generation to pay for their grandpa's pension

If a ponzi scheme applies to everyone, then it is legitimate
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
Bitcoin is not for buying and selling.

It is for earning and spending.
member
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Bitcoin is a naturally occurring ponzi scheme - World Bank

I have read that paper...so according to the world bank and by proxy yourself all the stocks and securities that are traded are naturally occurring ponzi schemes.
newbie
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin USD any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin USD any different? You bought coin, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.
You get USD for your work. You spend them to buy other people's goods and services. You put them in the bank, which immediately lends out 10x as much USD to others in the form of credit, fuelling asset bubbles and inflation, so your USD becomes worth less and less over time, so you end up losing your money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.
USD is a centralized ponzi scheme with a central authority who f**** everyone over by printing more and more USD driving the value of your USD down, who hopes this will magically stimulate a debt-laden economy back to life and the lessons of history won't hold true this time.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoinsUSD any more.
I am taking my moneyBTC and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

FTFY
member
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According to you all investments are Ponzi  Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.



You should be more specific and say "shares in a profitable business, which pay a regular and predictable dividend", because non-dividend-paying stocks (which are most stocks) meets your misinformed definition of Ponzi.


And as should be obvious, bitcoin is simply an asset which is likely undervalued. Here's why:
- Bitcoin reduces the friction of electronic transactions.
- Therefore more people will use bitcoin for electronic transactions.
- More capitalization of the bitcoin money supply as a whole is required to meet the eventual fundamental transaction demand.
sr. member
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its more like a decentralized western union service. Is western union a ponzi scheme?

they transfer currency across the world but have expensive fees. bitcoin can do the same thing for a fraction of the cost.
sr. member
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a ponzi scheme is a criminal scheme, where the fraudster promises high returns and actually pays those high returns with the money of new participants/victims to older participants (repeat, repeat...)

do you see that is going on with bitcoin?

with no fresh money a ponzi scheme COLLAPSES instantly. and it only collapses once, then it is over.

when no one buys bitcoin (=no fresh money) bitcoin price goes sideways, not collapsing.

yes, there were bitcoin price collapses (when people sold), but if you find me an acknowledged ponzi scheme that has ever collapsed more than once i pay you half a bitcoin. do you think 24 hours is enough time to do your research ?

and this bullcrap about "natural ponzi" just means that every asset that can be traded is a "natural ponzi" and if a definition fits every asset, what is the point ? p r o p a g a n d a  by c e n t r a l b a n k e r s.

when no one buys bitcoin (=no fresh money) bitcoin price crash and failed

Hahaaaa, what a moron you are, bitcoin is still to difficult for your pig brain, isn't it? If all the people that are trading this thing, buy back, we are back at 680$, no fresh money required for that.

So NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bitcoin is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Do not cut loose, hodl, if you had listenend to everybody who said that in 2010, you would be rich now, throwing cats of a roof to see if they bounce.
sr. member
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I see no evidence that a "dead cat bounce" is possible in bitcoin. You are thinking of a stock, which could die if valuation falls to low. That is no concern at all of mine. Bitcoin does not need to support any price and simply can't die as long as two people are using it. I'm one, anyone else want to be the other?

I don't think fallling or any of his clones deserve any answer whatsoever anymore. Let him post his same graphic over and over until the mods get fed up and show him the door.

see you at $470 or even lower soon after this fake recover!
You seem to be getting lazy - why all the copy 'n' pasting?

I like how the retard responded to this by copyin and pasting something. Pretty obvious that no one will ever take falling seriously since he's never answered a single question anyone's asked him ever. He's literally like a parrot that only knows three phases.
jr. member
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As long people sell bitcoin they will buyback lower if possible. If no one sells while no one is buying it then price remains the same.
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