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Topic: Explanation to how bitcoin is a ponzi scheme - page 3. (Read 3866 times)

legendary
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Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?

Atleast gold and silver at 'real' metals and have physical properties that make them unique (good conductor, looks good, gold doesn't tarnish)

Diamonds on the other hand, have only a 'look good' value to them.  Yes, there are certain industrial processes that use diamonds but they are heavily pumped by the DeBeers cartel.  Diamonds are not a good 'investment'
legendary
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Ok So take your " money and leave". but wait....what you gong to do when people will decline your money? I think maybe first try to understand what bitcoin is and how it works. whole world reliant on something.  this that means whole world is ponzi? even if why not try to go with the bitcoin flow?
legendary
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It's stupid to assume anything to have intrinsic value, materials may have intrinsic properties, but value is set by human trade.
If tomorrow gold drops to 1 USD/oz, it will worth 1 USD/oz, there is nothing in gold itself that would push its price up. Same goes for silver, oil or whatever resource around.
But even "how much is 1 USD" is variable...
hero member
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Trust me!
gold and silver have intrinsic value...

That's true, you can "build stuff with them" but their advantages as a metal or material aren't as high as to justify their price! Gold has a good electric conductivity, but it isn't that dramatically higher as to justify the price of Gold compared to Copper, for example. It's more of a speculative commodity.
(I hope I don't get banned from the Wall Observer for arguing with you Cheesy)
sr. member
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no adam thats not stupid. i was implying that if you agreed gold and silver have 'no real value' then that is stupid. what you said makes sense, from a ROI perspective its not really a good investment if stocks are doing well.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.

holy. shit. what an idiot...

ya cuz buying shares in a profitable business, never made anyone rich.

are you implying you too believe gold and silver has no intrinsic value? or that precious stones don't keep up with inflation better than any other asset in history? because if you are, you're stupid.

gold and silver have intrinsic value...

but they are NOT an investment, only a store of value, that historically do move up but not as fast as inflation, only once in a while there is gr8 uncertainty in the Financial system, and everyone runs to PM, but i'm not sure this is going to hold true now that we have bitcoin....

its not very risky to buy gold ( especially now that its been dropping for 2 years ), less risk less ______.

investments will be risky but more risk more ______.

it might make sense to do both store some value long term, and invest, who knows?


so.... is my view stupid?
sr. member
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i guess silver and golds industrial uses have just evaporated before our eyes then right? the fact that the industrial demand of silver is greater than the entire world supply can ever be is just a fantasy of investment nerds huh?


Yup. No such thing as intrinsic value.

Bitcoin should only be compared to gold and not silver. Since there is little industry usage for gold (silver has usage) and the only reason it has value is because central banks around the world give it value.



what the fuck are you talking about gold has little industry usage?  gold is used in all modern electronics.
hero member
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I actually believe that Bitcoin has several aspects of a so called "Ponzi Scheme". But it is more of a naturally occurring Ponzi, as someone put it a couple weeks ago. It is true that early adopters profit from putting faith in Bitcoin and risk their investment. But Bitcoin doesn't need any new people to join the party in order to work. The price may suffer if no new people join Bitcoin, that's true for most parts, yeah, but the block reward continues to go down successively and the total number of Bitcoins is limited. A Ponzi has to go bust at some poin, it's designed that way. Bitcoin isn't bound to completely fail should there be no new adopters. That's the striking difference here!
full member
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i was about to answer in this thread, but then i realized that someone quoted you and others quoted that one who quoted you.
therefore it must be a ponzi, i should not post here
full member
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Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.

holy. shit. what an idiot...

ya cuz buying shares in a profitable business, never made anyone rich.

are you implying you too believe gold and silver has no intrinsic value? or that precious stones don't keep up with inflation better than any other asset in history? because if you are, you're stupid.

All those materials just have value because we value them, there is no such thing as intrinsic value, just intrinsic properties.
You are basically thinking that because in the past this happened, this will carry on until the end of days, and that my friends isn't nothing but speculation.

Yup. No such thing as intrinsic value.

Bitcoin should only be compared to gold and not silver. Since there is little industry usage for gold (silver has usage) and the only reason it has value is because central banks around the world give it value.

legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1000
Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.

holy. shit. what an idiot...

ya cuz buying shares in a profitable business, never made anyone rich.

are you implying you too believe gold and silver has no intrinsic value? or that precious stones don't keep up with inflation better than any other asset in history? because if you are, you're stupid.

All those materials just have value because we value them, there is no such thing as intrinsic value, just intrinsic properties.
You are basically thinking that because in the past this happened, this will carry on until the end of days, and that my friends isn't nothing but speculation.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.

holy. shit. what an idiot...

ya cuz buying shares in a profitable business, never made anyone rich.

are you implying you too believe gold and silver has no intrinsic value? or that precious stones don't keep up with inflation better than any other asset in history? because if you are, you're stupid.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.

holy. shit. what an idiot...

ya cuz buying shares in a profitable business, never made anyone rich.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.

holy. shit. what an idiot...
legendary
Activity: 1937
Merit: 1001
How can you have 145 posts here and still don't understand what a ponzi scheme is or bitcoin or simple market dynamics?
The troll is strong in you my friend....

Judge not by the look of the book but by the content of what it is written.



I did, i checked his profile and posts. He's a new member that probably thinks he missed the boat and it seems he's trying to get into every altcoin he can just to make sure he's one of the early adopters. But that's not the content what was written here, that was the past.

Let's look at what he wrote in this topic. He assumes the only reason people buy bitcoin is to sell it at a higher price than they bought it for. If not the only reason, then the biggest relevant factor.
Of course speculation is part of the adoption curve and will have extremes in both high and low ends, as to be expected.
However, the total neglect of how bitcoin works, it's properties, show me he either has no idea what he's talking about, or he's trolling.
Being so active with altcoins, i assume he has at least a very basic understanding of the properties and potential of the protocol.

No matter the bitcoin value, it's utility is still there. Only speculators care about the price, people that care about 'free' money (as in freedom of speech...) don't. It will remain useful for many many people around the world.
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How can you have 145 posts here and still don't understand what a ponzi scheme is or bitcoin or simple market dynamics?
The troll is strong in you my friend....

Judge not by the look of the book but by the content of what it is written.

legendary
Activity: 1937
Merit: 1001
How can you have 145 posts here and still don't understand what a ponzi scheme is or bitcoin or simple market dynamics?
The troll is strong in you my friend....
legendary
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Merit: 1013
With a ponzi scheme there is uncertainty and deliberate obfuscation about where the money is, how much there is and how many investors there are. With bitcoin, this is all transparent. We are all creating a floating price based upon the utility of a limited number of units of peer-to-peer decentralised money. The exchange value will, of course, go up and down, and I agree some people have persuaded people to buy at the top of bubbles, or sell at the bottom (reverse ponzi-like) which is dishonourable.  But the fact remains that cryptocurrencies in general are only just a tiny part of the global economy at present, which many people think is extremely unlikely to be the case in 5 years, and so there is logic to it as an investment.

Granted it has been a wild ride so far.
sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 281
Early investors in Apple made money from other investors following them - must be a ponzi scheme

The Queen of England makes money from the rest of the country using her money and buying more of it with other currencies - must be a ponzi scheme

I started my business with a little bit of money and now make a decent living from it - must be a ponzi scheme
legendary
Activity: 889
Merit: 1013
Should i sell my gold/silver/diamonds too? I´m not sure, could be ponzi too?
Yes
Buy something that has real value, like shares in a profitable business.
Ha, you mean like on the stock exchange? Good luck finding shares with a reasonable P/E ratio. Everyone sane is short the major western exchanges now.
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