Exposing some techniques ROLLINdice site uses to scam

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Quote from: BertMan on April 29, 2016, 04:23:47 PM

There are some fishy sites out there but that's why you look for the ones with provably fair software.

Provably fair means that they literally provide all of the code so you can check to see that the rolls were random. You should be able to verify the hash/seed on another site if there's isn't working.

I usually remove everything(from my bookmark list) related to any site that I don't like and every of these sites takes 3 days for me to know if they are just time wasting/money loss.
Every provably fair site I used after rolling with my own client seed I couldn't verify the roll anywhere.
But considering where it says "WIN CHANCE" is always less than 49% now any sane person should know that they are telling you that you have less than 49% chance to win, but still one can be lucky and actually win something.
I never said there is no winning but in long term they are the ones who profit.

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Quote from: cjmoles on April 29, 2016, 08:29:38 PM

I don't know about dice anyway....I've tried a few sites and did not feel comfortable with the overall deviations at all. There's one in particular (not provably fair) that is just so unreal in my mind that I don't need any proof at all to conclude that their dice game is rigged!

You are right. It's only a fool that will play in those sites and still.come out to say everything is fair there. This sites are opened to make money and they will do anything to get that money. Rigging or scamming you of your cash is Not left out.
For example, these fuckn provably fair sites have
1. Client seed
2. Server seed
3. Random seed
4 . Sever seed hash
Let's assume you put your client seed, server see gotten from the server, seriver hash gotten fron combining all as they claim.
NOW , WHAT THE FUCK IS A RANDOM SEED? Huh

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These ugly fuckers might just put their seed there or get a programme that monitors your rolls to put a seed that will make you loose.

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I don't know about dice anyway....I've tried a few sites and did not feel comfortable with the overall deviations at all. There's one in particular (not provably fair) that is just so unreal in my mind that I don't need any proof at all to conclude that their dice game is rigged!

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Quote from: cazkooo on April 29, 2016, 06:29:09 PM

Quote from: BertMan on April 29, 2016, 04:23:47 PM

There are some fishy sites out there but that's why you look for the ones with provably fair software.

He is just pissed off that he lost all his money gambling. I have seen alot of this kind of guy. Whenever they win in the site, they say that the site is fair and whenever they lose they will say that the site rig the game, stupid logic indeed but there will be always alot of people like this that can accept the fact that they lose money gambling

You are an idiot. I just won't 1.5btc off one of those sites few hours ago but that dosnt mean they aint rigged. Idiots like you won't read before opening your smelling mouth. I win on all these sites daily . This post I'd for some idiots like you that I see donating thousands of dollars to these fuckn sites daily.

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Quote from: BertMan on April 29, 2016, 04:23:47 PM

There are some fishy sites out there but that's why you look for the ones with provably fair software.

He is just pissed off that he lost all his money gambling. I have seen alot of this kind of guy. Whenever they win in the site, they say that the site is fair and whenever they lose they will say that the site rig the game, stupid logic indeed but there will be always alot of people like this that cant accept the fact that they lose money gambling

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Quote from: morepounds on April 26, 2016, 02:34:55 PM

Quote from: digaran on April 26, 2016, 02:20:34 PM

Double checked the history and was the number 8371 but still can't verify by the site.
And I played around 1000 rounds since with my own seed settings and noticed every time 2 exact same numbers in a row, and then odds turned against me noticeably.
Since can't just manually set client seed for each roll. as i said above after 3 or 4 rolls with my seed it adjusts the house win odds.

I tried it with 2 accounts. but yes if you put client seed for each and every roll you play otherwise it adapt itself.
However these sites are not cheating directly to your face but the system is 100% for people to lose their money, since i doubt every one do a manual client seed settings.

All the sites are crooks. That's why I get happy when people like huffle puff destroys them. There is nothing provably fair about these sites. There are robbers. They steal your money openly. Fuck them all. I know how to deal with them fuckers

There are some fishy sites out there but that's why you look for the ones with provably fair software.

Provably fair means that they literally provide all of the code so you can check to see that the rolls were random. You should be able to verify the hash/seed on another site if there's isn't working.

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Quote from: digaran on April 26, 2016, 02:20:34 PM

Double checked the history and was the number 8371 but still can't verify by the site.
And I played around 1000 rounds since with my own seed settings and noticed every time 2 exact same numbers in a row, and then odds turned against me noticeably.
Since can't just manually set client seed for each roll. as i said above after 3 or 4 rolls with my seed it adjusts the house win odds.

I tried it with 2 accounts. but yes if you put client seed for each and every roll you play otherwise it adapt itself.
However these sites are not cheating directly to your face but the system is 100% for people to lose their money, since i doubt every one do a manual client seed settings.

All the sites are crooks. That's why I get happy when people like huffle puff destroys them. There is nothing provably fair about these sites. There are robbers. They steal your money openly. Fuck them all. I know how to deal with them fuckers

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Double checked the history and was the number 8371 but still can't verify by the site.
And I played around 1000 rounds since with my own seed settings and noticed every time 2 exact same numbers in a row, and then odds turned against me noticeably.
Since can't just manually set client seed for each roll. as i said above after 3 or 4 rolls with my seed it adjusts the house win odds.

I tried it with 2 accounts. but yes if you put client seed for each and every roll you play otherwise it adapt itself.
However these sites are not cheating directly to your face but the system is 100% for people to lose their money, since i doubt every one do a manual client seed settings.

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Quote from: morepounds on April 26, 2016, 12:51:15 AM

That's your assumption. This is gambling anything can happen.

It's not that anything can happen.

In your case, where the client seed is same, it is possible that you can hypothetically be scammed.
But in digaran's case, you can manually check the provably fair and see that it was provably fair and understand that if he correctly randomized the client seed, it is provable that the server had no way to cheat.

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As regards rollin am still waiting for a valid explanation. I still got many other unfair things about the site that will be exposed soon. Just waiting for the owner to explain this first

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Quote from: jambola2 on April 26, 2016, 12:33:55 AM

Quote from: digaran on April 25, 2016, 11:57:35 PM

So I changed my client seed and all bets with that seed can't be verified simply nothing happens when click on verify.

Proof. if you want to see just check these details to say if it's still provably fair.

server seed:
1461640444-_junba3oFJO6KzpD0d50mYhPj-OUivNJnXfCbXozYbQg7f5PfjCyu3bgZ9J3BMYH-7183-2175900

server seed hash:
ad90461aaa8d7d15385b0e1c86989b5990b3cfb31cd580012776bf82db89867c

client seed:
667SWqgh499NBT777

nonce:
7184

This is for freebitco.in I have deposited money and I'm not talking about free rolls but bets.

I think the verifier was just down at the time?

I tried it just now and it says the roll is 8371.

Let me manually do it to double check:

String1: 7184:1461640444-_junba3oFJO6KzpD0d50mYhPj-OUivNJnXfCbXozYbQg7f5PfjCyu3bgZ9J3BMYH-7183-2175900:7184
String2: 7184:667SWqgh499NBT777:7184

HMAC SHA-512 hash of String1 using String2:
d64d7c7776bee102b7ce54e309dad0ad24973f2276db42a8be470b14f4bcdca9426d7f115d64173 41fe4b05c98b938d81e84aae4634b37efab74e2c4b4586d55

First 8 digits:
d64d7c77

Convert to decimal:
3595402359

Divide by 429496.7295:
8371.19846

Round to nearest whole number:
8371

So, the roll was truly 8371, it's likely that their verifier was temporarily not working.

That's your assumption. This is gambling anything can happen.

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Quote from: digaran on April 25, 2016, 11:57:35 PM

So I changed my client seed and all bets with that seed can't be verified simply nothing happens when click on verify.

Proof. if you want to see just check these details to say if it's still provably fair.

server seed:
1461640444-_junba3oFJO6KzpD0d50mYhPj-OUivNJnXfCbXozYbQg7f5PfjCyu3bgZ9J3BMYH-7183-2175900

server seed hash:
ad90461aaa8d7d15385b0e1c86989b5990b3cfb31cd580012776bf82db89867c

client seed:
667SWqgh499NBT777

nonce:
7184

This is for freebitco.in I have deposited money and I'm not talking about free rolls but bets.

I think the verifier was just down at the time?

I tried it just now and it says the roll is 8371.

Let me manually do it to double check:

String1: 7184:1461640444-_junba3oFJO6KzpD0d50mYhPj-OUivNJnXfCbXozYbQg7f5PfjCyu3bgZ9J3BMYH-7183-2175900:7184
String2: 7184:667SWqgh499NBT777:7184

HMAC SHA-512 hash of String1 using String2:
d64d7c7776bee102b7ce54e309dad0ad24973f2276db42a8be470b14f4bcdca9426d7f115d64173 41fe4b05c98b938d81e84aae4634b37efab74e2c4b4586d55

First 8 digits:
d64d7c77

Convert to decimal:
3595402359

Divide by 429496.7295:
8371.19846

Round to nearest whole number:
8371

So, the roll was truly 8371, it's likely that their verifier was temporarily not working.

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Quote from: digaran on April 25, 2016, 11:57:35 PM

So I changed my client seed and all bets with that seed can't be verified simply nothing happens when click on verify.

Proof. if you want to see just check these details to say if it's still provably fair.

server seed:
1461640444-_junba3oFJO6KzpD0d50mYhPj-OUivNJnXfCbXozYbQg7f5PfjCyu3bgZ9J3BMYH-7183-2175900

server seed hash:
ad90461aaa8d7d15385b0e1c86989b5990b3cfb31cd580012776bf82db89867c

client seed:
667SWqgh499NBT777

nonce:
7184

This is for freebitco.in I have deposited money and I'm not talking about free rolls but bets.

Wow. That's too bad. Imagin if that was a 100btc bet

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So I changed my client seed and all bets with that seed can't be verified simply nothing happens when click on verify.

Proof. if you want to see just check these details to say if it's still provably fair.

server seed:
1461640444-_junba3oFJO6KzpD0d50mYhPj-OUivNJnXfCbXozYbQg7f5PfjCyu3bgZ9J3BMYH-7183-2175900

server seed hash:
ad90461aaa8d7d15385b0e1c86989b5990b3cfb31cd580012776bf82db89867c

client seed:
667SWqgh499NBT777

nonce:
7184

This is for freebitco.in I have deposited money and I'm not talking about free rolls but bets.

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Quote from: ndnh on April 24, 2016, 08:09:21 AM

Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 08:35:39 AM

Quote from: ndnh on April 23, 2016, 08:14:36 AM

Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 07:31:19 AM

If you are an intelligent gambler, you should be able to win the house instead if always loosing to those fuckers.

An intelligent person would know that the return to player is 99% and he is slightly more like to lose than win every single bet. Tongue

Sorry the rest didn't make sense.. Grin

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Before some fuckers come ranting or saying am a sore looser, I will like to say I have won more than I lost there. But I hate to see innocent people come there to waste cash blindly.

You might want to learn about provably fair?

What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.

Nothing. But you seem to be suggesting somehow delayed rolls are not provably fair?

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I think the owner uses that time to do some shitty stuffs to make you loose.

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Not saying every lag results in a loss, but 90% of lag rolls always results in losses.

FYI all sites that have significant players or rolls per minute will have slight delays on deposits and rolls. That is entirely normal.

Edit: I see you don't understand provably fair and doesn't want to. Tongue

What is the big deal about "highroller". Tongue

If you are clever enough you would never gamble in the first place or at least would try to understand how it works before you do.

I have played in a all the so called top sites except jd.
This shit doesn't happen in pd or betking. Never saw it happenind in fortune jack even though I don't play much there.the fact that I experience this on Rollin only means it's ABNORMAL.

THE BIG DEAL ABOUT HIGH ROLLER IS THAT THE SITE EITHER LOOSES OR WINS FROM HIGH ROLLERS. The high rollerss determine if the site will make cash or go bankrupt.
If i own a site and want to rig , I will concentrate on the high rollers. Use your brain and think before writing.
I am clever enough to gamble and not loose.
I posted this because I just saw an Un intelligent idiot loosing big and that got me so upset. To understand provable fair, check and read this link https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-primedice-really-provablyfair-253144 . I wonder how much you are paid to always try to confuse people with provably fair. I wont and will never fall for that Provably fair shit.
I will keep exposing shit when ever I see shit

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Quote from: jambola2 on April 23, 2016, 11:59:16 AM

Quote from: RHavar on April 23, 2016, 11:14:10 AM

To the OP: The lag is a distraction. Read the provably fair, they're either provably fair and the lag changes absolutely nothing. Even if each roll took 20 seconds, if the site is provably fair, it wouldn't matter.

Quote from: jambola2 on April 23, 2016, 09:40:22 AM

Scamming despite provably fair is possible.

Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.

The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.

Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.

That would make the server extremely vulnerable. Imagine for instance you knew PD did that, all you need to do is keep re-using the same client seed, and then always betting high. Then when you change your server seed, start making giant, low bets and destroy their bankroll. There's no way a casino would expose itself like that.

Or even better, just randomize your client seed like you're supposed to Tongue

Does it? The idea is that a user is not supposed to notice this.

Let's say I make a program that increases the odds of a number below 50 to 75% if you bet high many times in a row.
The user is going to think he's just unlucky, not that the site is trying to mess with him.

The other idea is for a person to manually interrupt. If I see a whale coming in and betting 0.5 BTC on high over and over the operator could change it such that he is more likely to get a losing number.

I'm not necessarily saying that this is practically feasible. But even if it is hypothetically possible, it'd be stupid to let the casino have any chance of being able to impact your chances of winning. Randomize seed after every roll, kids.

Yeah, it is possible. (Yeah would be unfeasible)

An algorithm that learns and predicts the bet patterns for a set of hr players and generates a server seed and suggests a client seed that gives a series of relatively unfavorable rolls to the player.
On randomizing (no direct input), it could just give another client seed that gives similar unfavorable rolls. Low win chance high profit bets on same pattern would, I guess, be the most vulnerable on a non-nonce provably fair site.

Totally unlikely something like this would be done lol.

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Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 08:35:39 AM

Quote from: ndnh on April 23, 2016, 08:14:36 AM

Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 07:31:19 AM

If you are an intelligent gambler, you should be able to win the house instead if always loosing to those fuckers.

An intelligent person would know that the return to player is 99% and he is slightly more like to lose than win every single bet. Tongue

Sorry the rest didn't make sense.. Grin

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Before some fuckers come ranting or saying am a sore looser, I will like to say I have won more than I lost there. But I hate to see innocent people come there to waste cash blindly.

You might want to learn about provably fair?

What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.

Nothing. But you seem to be suggesting somehow delayed rolls are not provably fair?

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I think the owner uses that time to do some shitty stuffs to make you loose.

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Not saying every lag results in a loss, but 90% of lag rolls always results in losses.

FYI all sites that have significant players or rolls per minute will have slight delays on deposits and rolls. That is entirely normal.

Edit: I see you don't understand provably fair and doesn't want to. Tongue

What is the big deal about "highroller". Tongue

If you are clever enough you would never gamble in the first place or at least would try to understand how it works before you do.

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Quote from: BTCLovingDude on April 23, 2016, 01:22:48 PM

1) as far as i know if the site has provably fair section (which they all have) you can verify all your bets with the provably system by checking them, so unless you have checked them and have something to show for it, all you said above becomes meaningless.

2) again this can be verified by their provably fair system, and lagging rolls may mean that they have a shitty hosting service not proving cheaters.

I don't want to go in to the so-called " provably fair " these fuckers use. Also, maybe you should do yourself a favour and read this thread, one of the guys asked me to read it and I bet you there is a lot to learn there https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-primedice-really-provablyfair-253144

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Quote from: iv4n on April 23, 2016, 12:02:03 PM

Who lose have a right to be mad. I lost so much on that fucking dices that I can't even count. And I don't blame them, I blame myself. Dices sold me so many times and I decided to not play it for high stakes anymore. When I wish to invest a bit more money I choose some other game.

So forget about mistake and move to something better, you can't argue with the house. Who forced you to play, don't hate the game cause you lost money.

If gambling upset you so much my advice for you is to quit on time. Don't wait to lose all your nerves before it comes to your brain. Good luck.

If you read my post you will have seen that i stated clearly that am not loosing there. Fact that am wining dosnt mean I should say what I notice there

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on April 23, 2016, 10:56:16 AM

Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 08:32:42 AM

Quote from: Shogen on April 23, 2016, 08:12:35 AM

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also you didn't answer my question as regards why rolls are delayed even when the internet connection is perfect

Fun fact: The world wide web doesn't revolve around your internet connection. Maybe at that moment, the volume at rollin.io is high, resulting in lag. There are many possibilities for this. Just cause your internet connection is 'perfect' (100% not for rollin.io, unless you live right next to where their site is hosted).

Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 08:32:42 AM

Quote from: Shogen on April 23, 2016, 08:12:35 AM

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also you didn't answer my question as regards why rolls are delayed even when the internet connection is perfect and why you hold on coins for some mins after 1 confirmation.

You should also learn how bitcoin works. I'm guessing rollin.io runs their own node to process deposits and withdraws. Once a tx confirms, not every node knows about it instantly. Nodes get the info, and they broadcast it to other nodes. It might have been that rollin's node was one of the last nodes to get the tx.

Quote from: morepounds on April 23, 2016, 07:31:19 AM

If you are an intelligent gambler, you should be able to win the house instead if always loosing to those fuckers.

Some gambling sites have +EV methods, like bustabit or poker, but dice is -EV. A house edge of 1% means an RTP of 99%.

You ain't making sense so I won't waste so much time talking to you. So you trying to tell me that 90% time of when the volume of rollin is high you.loose right?
You said you use rollin. Did you read the part where I said I am posting for high rollers? Have you ever risked above 0.5 btc in a single net there?
If yes I will like to see it. I can show you me risking 3 or 4 times thay amount. Like I said. This post is for the high rollers. Not for faucet pllayers

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