1) as far as i know if the site has provably fair section (which they all have) you can verify all your bets with the provably system by checking them, so unless you have checked them and have something to show for it, all you said above becomes meaningless.
2) again this can be verified by their provably fair system, and lagging rolls may mean that they have a shitty hosting service not proving cheaters.
Topic: Exposing some techniques ROLLINdice site uses to scam - page 2. (Read 1515 times)
You have explained a lot in your Opening post but it sounds more like your anger after lossing so much in dice sites including rollin. Its quite pointless to relate lossing in dice with Delay in deposit. What you say is quite confusing 
and hard to beleive 
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I can only wish you a good luck next time and don't gamble which you can't afford to loss.
and hard to beleive .I can only wish you a good luck next time and don't gamble which you can't afford to loss.
Who lose have a right to be mad. I lost so much on that fucking dices that I can't even count. And I don't blame them, I blame myself. Dices sold me so many times and I decided to not play it for high stakes anymore. When I wish to invest a bit more money I choose some other game.
So forget about mistake and move to something better, you can't argue with the house. Who forced you to play, don't hate the game cause you lost money.
If gambling upset you so much my advice for you is to quit on time. Don't wait to lose all your nerves before it comes to your brain. Good luck.
So forget about mistake and move to something better, you can't argue with the house. Who forced you to play, don't hate the game cause you lost money.
If gambling upset you so much my advice for you is to quit on time. Don't wait to lose all your nerves before it comes to your brain. Good luck.
To the OP: The lag is a distraction. Read the provably fair, they're either provably fair and the lag changes absolutely nothing. Even if each roll took 20 seconds, if the site is provably fair, it wouldn't matter.
That would make the server extremely vulnerable. Imagine for instance you knew PD did that, all you need to do is keep re-using the same client seed, and then always betting high. Then when you change your server seed, start making giant, low bets and destroy their bankroll. There's no way a casino would expose itself like that.
Or even better, just randomize your client seed like you're supposed to
Scamming despite provably fair is possible.
Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.
The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.
Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.
Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.
The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.
Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.
That would make the server extremely vulnerable. Imagine for instance you knew PD did that, all you need to do is keep re-using the same client seed, and then always betting high. Then when you change your server seed, start making giant, low bets and destroy their bankroll. There's no way a casino would expose itself like that.
Or even better, just randomize your client seed like you're supposed to
Does it? The idea is that a user is not supposed to notice this.
Let's say I make a program that increases the odds of a number below 50 to 75% if you bet high many times in a row.
The user is going to think he's just unlucky, not that the site is trying to mess with him.
The other idea is for a person to manually interrupt. If I see a whale coming in and betting 0.5 BTC on high over and over the operator could change it such that he is more likely to get a losing number.
I'm not necessarily saying that this is practically feasible. But even if it is hypothetically possible, it'd be stupid to let the casino have any chance of being able to impact your chances of winning. Randomize seed after every roll, kids.
It's not about luck but intended odds of programming, when you increase bet and hit HI from 100 bets 51 is loss and 49 is win.
Even if you change your seed the moment you click on HI or LO the calculating odds of random number generation turns against you.
If you want to win and you should take some time and change bet amount and HI or LO by diversifying.
But something proven to myself is that what ever you do you close the browser with "0" credits.
But again you really need to bet small amounts and if you won next bet even smaller if you lose only lost half what already won but when you win don't double the bet because the process goes to the "0" amount.
At the end of the day people not sick to make and build sites and put money and time just to give random people their pocket money.
Of course they are profiting otherwise only newbies give away their money to experience the loss themselves
Even if you change your seed the moment you click on HI or LO the calculating odds of random number generation turns against you.
If you want to win and you should take some time and change bet amount and HI or LO by diversifying.
But something proven to myself is that what ever you do you close the browser with "0" credits.
But again you really need to bet small amounts and if you won next bet even smaller if you lose only lost half what already won but when you win don't double the bet because the process goes to the "0" amount.
At the end of the day people not sick to make and build sites and put money and time just to give random people their pocket money.
Of course they are profiting otherwise only newbies give away their money to experience the loss themselves
To the OP: The lag is a distraction. Read the provably fair, they're either provably fair and the lag changes absolutely nothing. Even if each roll took 20 seconds, if the site is provably fair, it wouldn't matter.
That would make the server extremely vulnerable. Imagine for instance you knew PD did that, all you need to do is keep re-using the same client seed, and then always betting high. Then when you change your server seed, start making giant, low bets and destroy their bankroll. There's no way a casino would expose itself like that.
Or even better, just randomize your client seed like you're supposed to
Scamming despite provably fair is possible.
Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.
The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.
Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.
Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.
The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.
Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.
That would make the server extremely vulnerable. Imagine for instance you knew PD did that, all you need to do is keep re-using the same client seed, and then always betting high. Then when you change your server seed, start making giant, low bets and destroy their bankroll. There's no way a casino would expose itself like that.
Or even better, just randomize your client seed like you're supposed to
As long as you can't give strong proof that they're scamming you, it's just a speculation.
In fact, all gambling sites which use provably could do it and people keep saying they are scam without strong proof.
In fact, all gambling sites which use provably could do it and people keep saying they are scam without strong proof.
Likely true, but sometimes without us even realizing that there are sites that give you a system that is discussed in this thread. Gambling sites have different Admins have different ways, so it is possible also that he's talking about is correct (not completely). But I would also argue that any system that selicik created by gambling sites certainly we'll easily get an advantage when we have a good strategy.
As long as you can't give strong proof that they're scamming you, it's just a speculation.
In fact, all gambling sites which use provably could do it and people keep saying they are scam without strong proof.
In fact, all gambling sites which use provably could do it and people keep saying they are scam without strong proof.
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also you didn't answer my question as regards why rolls are delayed even when the internet connection is perfect-snip-
also you didn't answer my question as regards why rolls are delayed even when the internet connection is perfect and why you hold on coins for some mins after 1 confirmation. If you are an intelligent gambler, you should be able to win the house instead if always loosing to those fuckers.
Some gambling sites have +EV methods, like bustabit or poker, but dice is -EV. A house edge of 1% means an RTP of 99%.
This possibility is true it is, but this can be minimised with a pretty good technique as do small bets. Keep in mind that doing a small bets on an ongoing basis will be fruitful, although how this is the most pathetic because we need a lot of time to do all this in order to get profits, but the way it is penangkar from the system you are talking about. And I believe that the new people who join would already know the impact of gambling, but they still do and it indicates that it is to blame are those who want to do gambling.
That's exactly what happens. I have always said that the fact that these dice site keep screaming provably fair dosnt mean it's fair.
Provably fair is only fair for rolls that you checked otherwise the rolls is not really fair if you dont check it. Im not saying that dice sites could be rigging it however the truth stands, nothing is fair unless you chedk it with you own eyes and if you are doing thousand of bets per hour then it wont be convenient to check everything up
What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
It has nothing to do with the delayed rolls and deposits therefore stop screaming it is not fair because even if your bets got delayed for 1 secomd or 1 hour it wont make any difference at all because the house wont be able to cheat you with provably fair on the site or should I say it will be hard for them to cheat you without you knowing
Scamming despite provably fair is possible.
Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.
The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.
Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.
The say the house always win. The fact is , the house will do everything to win you. That includes rigging your bets. Happy there are still very smart and intelligent people like you alive.
What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
It has nothing to do with the delayed rolls and deposits therefore stop screaming it is not fair because even if your bets got delayed for 1 secomd or 1 hour it wont make any difference at all because the house wont be able to cheat you with provably fair on the site or should I say it will be hard for them to cheat you without you knowing
Scamming despite provably fair is possible.
Example: I bet high every time, with the same client seed. The server now knows I bet high and knows my client seed. The server now choose a server seed which would give a low result. It hashes this and displays the server seed hash.
The server does not change anything after I have bet, but by assuming that I don't change from high to low and don't change my client seed, I will lose.
Primedice actually used to have more issues (maybe still does) where even if you change from bet high/low, there's a chance they can still mess with you.
It is impossible for any provably fair site to scam you if you change your client seed after every roll.
If you don't change your client seed it is possible to be scammed, as TF had outlined ages ago (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-primedice-really-provablyfair-253144)
Still unlikely they are scamming you, but you can guarantee that they can't by changing client seed after each roll.
If you don't change your client seed it is possible to be scammed, as TF had outlined ages ago (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-primedice-really-provablyfair-253144)
Still unlikely they are scamming you, but you can guarantee that they can't by changing client seed after each roll.
You are the only sensible person I have talk to in a while. Am happy there is someone that knows how gambling sites work. The casino ow ers know that its hard fkr seeds to be changed on every roll so they take advantage of that to expliot innocent gamblers. Thumbs up man. You deserve a tip for this. I will message you to tip you something little for being so intelligent.
It is impossible for any provably fair site to scam you if you change your client seed after every roll.
If you don't change your client seed it is possible to be scammed, as TF had outlined ages ago (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-primedice-really-provablyfair-253144)
Still unlikely they are scamming you, but you can guarantee that they can't by changing client seed after each roll.
If you don't change your client seed it is possible to be scammed, as TF had outlined ages ago (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-primedice-really-provablyfair-253144)
Still unlikely they are scamming you, but you can guarantee that they can't by changing client seed after each roll.
What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
It has nothing to do with the delayed rolls and deposits therefore stop screaming it is not fair because even if your bets got delayed for 1 secomd or 1 hour it wont make any difference at all because the house wont be able to cheat you with provably fair on the site or should I say it will be hard for them to cheat you without you knowing
You already said you experience these delays. So why ask me for proofs. You are testifying to this already.
AND NO, WHEN IT COMES TO DELAYS LIKE I STATED IN MY POST, I also experience that on Rollin. I play in other sites if not all popular dice sites. They all have there flaws but this one is paramount because it has to do with people loosing cash easily. I know some sites that delay withdrawals but that's not important cos the money will still be sent.
Am talking of delaying rolls and hence loosing.
AND NO, WHEN IT COMES TO DELAYS LIKE I STATED IN MY POST, I also experience that on Rollin. I play in other sites if not all popular dice sites. They all have there flaws but this one is paramount because it has to do with people loosing cash easily. I know some sites that delay withdrawals but that's not important cos the money will still be sent.
Am talking of delaying rolls and hence loosing.
If you are an intelligent gambler, you should be able to win the house instead if always loosing to those fuckers.
An intelligent person would know that the return to player is 99% and he is slightly more like to lose than win every single bet.
Sorry the rest didn't make sense..
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Before some fuckers come ranting or saying am a sore looser, I will like to say I have won more than I lost there. But I hate to see innocent people come there to waste cash blindly.
You might want to learn about provably fair?
What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
I think you missed one important think in your post is proof to back up your statement. Because your complaining on a decently reputed site so your theory may be or may not be true. But if you want people to believe on that then you should post some of your proofs that you did a study so for on this site. Do you have some proofs to share with us?
Some time most of the sites will have a delay in reflecting your deposits immediately. It may take few minutes and for me it is a common thing.
If you are an intelligent gambler, you should be able to win the house instead if always loosing to those fuckers.
An intelligent person would know that the return to player is 99% and he is slightly more like to lose than win every single bet.
Sorry the rest didn't make sense..
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Before some fuckers come ranting or saying am a sore looser, I will like to say I have won more than I lost there. But I hate to see innocent people come there to waste cash blindly.
You might want to learn about provably fair?
What has provably fair got to do with delayed deposits and delayed rolls.
Like I said this post fid for practical high rollers. Not watchers that just sit down and scream provably fair when ever something like this comes up
If you are an intelligent gambler, you should spend some time reading what "provably fair" is, learning about how it works and how you can prove/disprove that the house has rigged your rolls.
This is the same thing all bitcoin casino owners say. When a player looses, they come screaming and talking shit about provably fair ONCE A PLAYER WINS , THEY START TALKING AND BELIEVING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED RIGGED.
also you didn't answer my question as regards why rolls are delayed even when the internet connection is perfect and why you hold on coins for some mins after 1 confirmation.
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