Extortion (A Felony) Committed on Forums, Mod inaction? Against Rules?

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Quote from: jeremypwr on August 06, 2018, 02:17:22 PM

I am a valid asset to this forum, you can check my post history.

I add value, whereas you are forever labeled as a pest and nuisance.

Somebody looked into your post history and sent me a little information about it. Is promoting ponzi scams (which you likely had owned, been employed by), considered adding value? Is that trusted?

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 06, 2018, 05:07:16 AM

Quote from: jeremypwr on August 04, 2018, 01:21:14 PM

My Positive Trusted feedback speaks for itself, and despite a multitude of recent attacks by this former disgruntled participant, Waffles has become a joke on this forum.

Maybe he should have listened to others and kept his mouth shut, rather than spamming threads, as he is now blacklisted from participating in any other campaigns.

Jeremy, care to comment on the criminal extortion for censorship instead of just randomly posting irrelevant and off topic things? Which you seem to only cherry pick? Which is even more suspicious...why are you trying to hide these things Grin

Uh...why are you posting your cherry picked 'untrusted' feedback?

Let's see what some real users have to say about you...weird, these dates should have been in the same picture, but you removed them?

"Pomerace99 2018-07-26 0.05000000 Tried extorting me for $400 after I paid him for signing up for a task. He said he had my real name and was going to track down my family on Facebook and make up bullshit"

"elsie34 2018-08-05 0.00000000 Retarted campaign manager"

I tagged "Pomerace99" with negative trust for his $1 paypal scheme- which is something that I did for the community. So no one gets scammed...

In return, he leaves me bullshit negative trust... $400 dollars LOL...sounds like something your lying self would come up with.

If you truly believe someone with 0 posts, you're even dumber than we all think you are...

So nice attempt to bring up my negative trust from someone with no posts and another from someone who I've never even spoken with....

If you had any common sense, you wold stop attempting to ruin my campaigns and focus on yourself.

Maybe adopt a puppy, go online and find a girlfriend or do something else productive.

You're wasting your (no life) having time trying to take me down, which no offense, but it's not going to happen.

I am a valid asset to this forum, you can check my post history.

I add value, whereas you are forever labeled as a pest and nuisance.

You should work on building up a Brand New account from the ground up, so maybe you can participate in a Campaign down the road. Grin

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Quote from: jeremypwr on August 04, 2018, 01:21:14 PM

My Positive Trusted feedback speaks for itself, and despite a multitude of recent attacks by this former disgruntled participant, Waffles has become a joke on this forum.

Maybe he should have listened to others and kept his mouth shut, rather than spamming threads, as he is now blacklisted from participating in any other campaigns.

Jeremy, care to comment on the criminal extortion for censorship instead of just randomly posting irrelevant and off topic things? Which you seem to only cherry pick? Which is even more suspicious...why are you trying to hide these things Grin

Uh...why are you posting your cherry picked 'untrusted' feedback?

Let's see what some real users have to say about you...weird, these dates should have been in the same picture, but you removed them?

"Pomerace99 2018-07-26 0.05000000 Tried extorting me for $400 after I paid him for signing up for a task. He said he had my real name and was going to track down my family on Facebook and make up bullshit"

"elsie34 2018-08-05 0.00000000 Retarted campaign manager"

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My Positive Trusted feedback speaks for itself, and despite a multitude of recent attacks by this former disgruntled participant, Waffles has become a joke on this forum.

Maybe he should have listened to others and kept his mouth shut, rather than spamming threads, as he is now blacklisted from participating in any other campaigns.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 02:18:15 AM

but illegal activity is. Even if it's just goods.

Where does it say that?

It says you can't advertise illegal things here, that's all.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 03, 2018, 02:03:20 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 01:56:10 AM

Yeah, I thought extortion was against the forum rules. Maybe it still does, haven't really gotten that confirmed or denied by the moderators who look at PMs. It's like a list of 5 people that are different from sub forum mods or staff.

You mentioned them earlier:

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:59:26 AM

There's actually 33 specific rules of the forum, you can read them in this subforum actually.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

The only ones that refer to illegal activity are:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.
11. No linking to illegal trading sites.
17. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden.

and this why your problem is not a meta issue:

19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

It does say it is up to the interpretation of any individual and the rules are not set in stone. I imagined illegal activity could be covered between 11 and 17. Maybe not, though. I know scams aren't moderated, but illegal activity is. Even if it's just goods.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 01:56:10 AM

Yeah, I thought extortion was against the forum rules. Maybe it still does, haven't really gotten that confirmed or denied by the moderators who look at PMs. It's like a list of 5 people that are different from sub forum mods or staff.

You mentioned them earlier:

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:59:26 AM

There's actually 33 specific rules of the forum, you can read them in this subforum actually.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

The only ones that refer to illegal activity are:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.
11. No linking to illegal trading sites.
17. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden.

and this why your problem is not a meta issue:

19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

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Yeah, I thought extortion was against the forum rules. Maybe it still does, haven't really gotten that confirmed or denied by the moderators who look at PMs. It's like a list of 5 people that are different from sub forum mods or staff.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on August 02, 2018, 06:39:49 PM

So call the cops...

Correct. OP, you are expecting a lot from the staff in my opinion. The staff will act according to the forum rules and not the law. You cannot expect them to go to the house of a scammer and beat them up for cash.

If you have proof of what you claim, take the proper route and then only you can recover your loss. In this case, it does not seem to be worth it for the amount of work you will have to do for that but it is your call finally. I hope you get this resolved.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 01:18:40 AM

On a side note, all rules were basically written by Sirius who hasn't been an admin for about 5 years. Inactive since 2014 as well...post wise. Strange little bit of history as we started discussing rules involving illegal things. Sirius also thought that facilitating drug sales was also just about bad reputation, not being extremely illegal. Guess that was before DPR and SR days...

Advertising an illegal product is something that could mean the forum is breaking the law. Someone claiming to have been blackmailed doesn't put the forum in any position and it has no need to investigate or take sides.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 03, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:59:26 AM

There's actually 33 specific rules of the forum, you can read them in this subforum actually. As you're concerned with multiple threads, which are not duplicates and have different topics of discussion based on where they are located, you may want to refresh yourself with the rules.

So are you saying they choose to ignore all the other rules that aren't about post duplication and things of a spam nature?

No, I'm saying that's the main purpose of moderation.
I am very familiar with the rules. If you think that any post or PM this person has made breaks one of the rules then report them. Again don't expect them to get involved in your dispute over a campaign payment, that's nothing to do with the forum.
As for allegations of illegal activity that should be for law enforcement to determine.

Again, it's not about the payment, the error of payment, or anything like that. I guess you all agree I should go to the cops then. Interesting how that shakes out, if I even engage in it. Strongly considering it now that two people have said that's the best idea.

On a side note, all rules were basically written by Sirius who hasn't been an admin for about 5 years. Inactive since 2014 as well...post wise. Strange little bit of history as we started discussing rules involving illegal things. Sirius also thought that facilitating drug sales was also just about bad reputation, not being extremely illegal. Guess that was before DPR and SR days...

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:59:26 AM

There's actually 33 specific rules of the forum, you can read them in this subforum actually. As you're concerned with multiple threads, which are not duplicates and have different topics of discussion based on where they are located, you may want to refresh yourself with the rules.

So are you saying they choose to ignore all the other rules that aren't about post duplication and things of a spam nature?

No, I'm saying that's the main purpose of moderation.
I am very familiar with the rules. If you think that any post or PM this person has made breaks one of the rules then report them. Again don't expect them to get involved in your dispute over a campaign payment, that's nothing to do with the forum.
As for allegations of illegal activity that should be for law enforcement to determine.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 03, 2018, 12:56:42 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:46:01 AM

but...isn't it their job to enforce the rules? LOL?? Isn't that why they are staff/moderators? LOL? They get a report about a duplicate poster, they investigate it, then take action against that person for duplicate posting... Uh, so what are you even saying lol. They just pick and choose what rules to follow?

It's their job to keep the forum free from spam not to get involved with personal disputes between members. People like you posting multiple threads about the same thing for example would be something for them. Someone having an issue with a campaign manager isn't. It is very simple to understand and two staff members have already told you.

There's actually 33 specific rules of the forum, you can read them in this subforum actually. As you're concerned with multiple threads, which are not duplicates and have different topics of discussion based on where they are located, you may want to refresh yourself with the rules.

So are you saying they choose to ignore all the other rules that aren't about post duplication and things of a spam nature?

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:46:01 AM

but...isn't it their job to enforce the rules? LOL?? Isn't that why they are staff/moderators? LOL? They get a report about a duplicate poster, they investigate it, then take action against that person for duplicate posting... Uh, so what are you even saying lol. They just pick and choose what rules to follow?

It's their job to keep the forum free from spam not to get involved with personal disputes between members. People like you posting multiple threads about the same thing for example would be something for them. Someone having an issue with a campaign manager isn't. It is very simple to understand and two staff members have already told you.

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Quote from: digaran on August 03, 2018, 12:38:10 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:20:16 AM

We're talking about documented crime with bulletproof evidence.

Staff members are not the police, admin is not a police officer, if I talk about trust issues is because the admin is in charge of the whole forum including trust system if I bitch about things is because I expect them not to take sides and do favors for their own beloved green members. what you expect from them is not what they are willing to do, can you understand?

If you want to go to the police for $900 then be my guest, people have scammed more but nobody gives a fuck about it. you are the one freaking out right now.

The value that was missed doesn't concern me too much. It's nothing to sneeze at, but not life changing that's for sure. The extortion is a pretty big deal, to be honest. It is literally a felony committed with aggression, so... Staff members aren't police in the way that they can literally lock somebody in a cage because of a crime, but they could definitely handle that crime in different ways on the forum to make sure the community is at least civil. Because again, if they allow certain crime continuously, I think that makes them liable at a certain point (not a lawyer but have had successful lawsuits/arbitration). Just like a marketplace that allows drugs or whatever to be traded.

Quote from: TheQuin on August 03, 2018, 12:44:06 AM

It's not their job to investigate and make a decision. You've been told over and over.

but...isn't it their job to enforce the rules? LOL?? Isn't that why they are staff/moderators? LOL? They get a report about a duplicate poster, they investigate it, then take action against that person for duplicate posting... Uh, so what are you even saying lol. They just pick and choose what rules to follow?

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:32:02 AM

Why do police reports need to be filed like that lol and mods can't just follow the rules?

Because....

Quote from: TheQuin on August 03, 2018, 12:26:58 AM

The forum will not act as judge and jury.

It's not their job to investigate and make a decision. You've been told over and over.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:20:16 AM

We're talking about documented crime with bulletproof evidence.

Staff members are not the police, admin is not a police officer, if I talk about trust issues is because the admin is in charge of the whole forum including trust system if I bitch about things is because I expect them not to take sides and do favors for their own beloved green members. what you expect from them is not what they are willing to do, can you understand?

If you want to go to the police for $900 then be my guest, people have scammed more but nobody gives a fuck about it. you are the one freaking out right now.

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Quote from: TheQuin on August 03, 2018, 12:26:58 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:20:16 AM

Filing a police report would not be a problem, but why must it go that far?

Because that's the proper course of action as staff member Flying Hellfish told you above. The forum will not act as judge and jury. If the forum was contacted by law enforcement seeking evidence that's the point they would get involved not because of your refusal to listen to all the people telling you that's how it works.

Damn lol, ya'll are hardcore. I'm not sure I want to get this guy's life ruined over this shit, but if that's literally the only way to have some sort of action by mods. Yikes Shocked

Why do police reports need to be filed like that lol and mods can't just follow the rules?

Quote from: whywefight on August 02, 2018, 07:12:30 PM

Let's see if staff steps in... like that'd ever happened...

So this guy was right about staff eh lol.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:20:16 AM

Filing a police report would not be a problem, but why must it go that far?

Because that's the proper course of action as staff member Flying Hellfish told you above. The forum will not act as judge and jury. If the forum was contacted by law enforcement seeking evidence that's the point they would get involved not because of your refusal to listen to all the people telling you that's how it works.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on August 03, 2018, 12:03:53 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 11:41:56 PM

Can default trust members put negs on somebody and then tell them to pay up to remove it?

Yes they can, and I would be very surprised if they were banned for it. They would likely be removed from DT by whomever had them listed, and painted red for days, but the staff in "official" capacity likely wouldn't act.

If you really think this is some felonious assault you need to contact law enforcement. They would contact theymos with appropriate legal documents and theymos would comply of fight it, both of which I believe he has done before. Those are the proper channels to follow not complaining about a bad report and banning another user.

Frankly you sound a little butthurt about a single report not being handled and a user not being banned.

Well, yes anybody can do anything. Anybody could go outside with a gun or knife right now and commit murder...obviously it's an available option lol. I don't think anybody argues that.
I suppose I don't understand: Why isn't illegal activity bannable even though the rules state it? Wouldn't it make the website liable, not only to police investigation requests and what headaches that causes, but also to potential aiding charges should there be enough crime?
Filing a police report would not be a problem, but why must it go that far in order to protect other people?

Quote from: digaran on August 03, 2018, 12:14:33 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 11:41:56 PM

Can default trust members put negs on somebody and then tell them to pay up to remove it? Obviously the community will revolt against such an activity,

Pay up to whom? if you could ask them to pay to the forum I don't see how that could result in a community revolting, would you consider paying the fee for evil IPs as extortion? or maybe paying for copper membership is also an extortion attempt?

But because forum owners charge those fees nobody says anything.
Stop trolling us for one unhandled report, I've got 27 unhandled reports but you don't see me trolling people for them.

I was giving a hypothetical if a DT member extorts somebody for negative reputation, as in asks them for $100 to remove a negative they gave...not sure what you're going on about copper membership or forum payment or whatever lol. I think you didn't understand what I said, because that response is far out. Diagran as far as I've seen you had some "negative trust removing" thread and then freaked out over getting negs for it. We're talking about documented crime with bulletproof evidence.

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