Topic: F2F Filesharing Darknet - Anyone's interested ? (Read 24838 times)

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I have a little friend network building.  PM me your PGP certificate if you want to try.

Yes, it was so. But now I also created my new permanent code.

Yes, I am. Please try to connect to my node. I want to check it.

I like this network as I value my privacy

Well, it depends. Either that or for keeping things private which is what Alliance or WASTE are good for. You aren't really anonymous when using waste. It's more like a virtual private network where data can be transferred in a secure (encrypted) way, but someone outside knows whom you are connected with and can possibly analyze the (encrypted) data you transfer. So the attacker is for example able to guess what you are transferring by looking at how much traffic you generate. Also you are not really anonymous to others inside the network, because you connect to them. If you create an open network that everyone can join you loose all benefits.

Yes, but it depends on a lot of factors. First of all the admin of a server can always watch you and since data isn't encrypted (unless you encrypt postings) people watching know what you are downloading. Of course it's hard to have an eye on all servers, but your ISP knows everything and the server operator too. Also messages you write can usually be used to identify you if you don't taker lots of precautions. You can operate your own server of course, but this partly takes away the benefits of Usenet, especially when you make a private one. Also it can be costly if you have to store and transfer all the data.

I have been using Usenet for a long time and I don't know why people always say things like that. Historically you didn't even need to have an actual internet connection to access them. HTML is a markup language. I guess you mean HTTP which was preceded by Gopher, also younger than the Usenet, which you can already guess by the fact that NNTP is described in RFC 977 while Gopher is first described in RFC 1436.

You are right with that, but using other protocols, like Freenet (FMS provides an NNTP interface, but there are many other applications), I2P (Forums, Bittorrent, ... ) provide all the benefits while just being a little slower. Also they are easier accessible. Have you ever tried to find an open news server that provides access to binaries? And if you roll out your own with your own groups and stuff, even if you have the money for server, storage and traffic it can be hard to find someone to pull from it.

Again, I think you are right with what you say and NNTP is very nice, but most things can be done easier especially if you want to remain anonymous and/or secure. NNTP wasn't designed for these things. In a lot of Newsgroups nobody will talk to you if you don't use your real name (or what looks like one).

i forgot to mention the waste again network password is "bitcoin"

Solution to what?  Being anonymous? 

Isn't usenet pretty much perfect for the use?  I mean you have a huge number decentralized servers everywhere,  usenet was the internet before HTML.  It has many uses besides filesharing, also have encryption via SSL to hide from nosy eyes.  No it isn't perfect, but authorities are always go gonna after low hanging fruit, cause they are the easiest to get to.   

im more keen on waste myself, alliance is a bit bloated if you ask me. if you want to add me, paste that in and post yours.

wasteagain.dyndns-ip.com


also, you probably want to use the latest build of WASTE again, i use build 442

On Usenet one depends on server operators so it isn't really a solution if you want to hide traces.

usenet is for old people!   I am on that IRC thingy with an fserve hosting my latest 20 mp3s.

Honestly though, if that is a good break down of it, then "I still don't get it", there must be some pretty bad files being shared if the paranoia is that high regarding said files.

No that's a pretty good break down of it.  Stick with usenet. 

I'm looking at Oneswarm right now, just based on something I already am kind of familiar with.  I am definitely missing something.   Who is the target audience for these type of file sharing programs?  I am probably misunderstanding, but it seems you would have to "know" people to access all the good files, which then negates the whole 'its anonymous' thing.   I am nearly 100% sure I am misunderstanding something here lol

@BitcoinPorn: You could use Oneswarm, Freenet, GNUnet, ... (see the link).

Darknets are good if you already have people you can trust. Since they have to trust in both their technical skills and that they won't turn on you this can be quite hard for most people.

I have a vast collection of files I am more than happy to share if I could understand the benefits of sharing via Darknet or WASTE or anything mentioned here.   I never want to know the people I am getting files from in the least, I just want good file information before I get said files.  Who is the target audience for these services over current file sharing methods?

Creating a Darknet with random people doesn't really make a lot of sense, as it will be an open/public net which is the opposite.

In a Darknet you need to trust other people so just peering with random people kinda defeats the purpose.

Hi,

is anyone willing to try to build up a darknet again?
I don't care about the network technology. Alliance, WASTE, DC++, anything is fine with me.

I have a new connection (DSL 32k) and something what seems to be a static IP.

Soooo, who's in ?

Perhaps there could...ah...be more incentive to share?

Why don't we make a file-sharing IRC channel?

I wouldn't really recommend using WASTE unless you want to contribute to it, as development is stalled.
But there are many alternatives.

Oh and one could also (ab)use Git for this stuff. Just setup a Cronjob to automatically get updates from others. It'd would also be easy to create a script, as there are nice interfaces for pretty much any language.

AllianceP2P or WASTE?
But as I see it, this whole Darknet thing only makes sense when we are a few people who start a network together.
The current state is this: Someone show's interest, after a few issues we connect, and then he doesn't show off anymore. Then after a few weeks the next one shows interest and it starts again.

For this to work we need a few more people to get it started.
(Alliance will also only work without dynamic DNS when there's atleast one known peer online who knows the IP adresses of the other peers afaik.)

SmokeTooMuch, still interested, i have a large collection too, and i have it already installed just looking to set it up with someone =P