Topic: [[Failed] Donate] Building rice farms in the Philippines Funding goal 0.2 BTC (Read 505 times)

Yes, we may reconsider a new donation campaign if a smaller part of land is available but for now he's ok by using the farm, that we prepared recently.
Thanks for your donation. 

Thank you, I confirm receiving the full refund ^{[and a little more, 0.00000109BTC]}...
^{- It saddens me to read about the cancellation part, but nevertheless, thank you for organizing such campaigns.}

He's not a big farmer as far as I know.

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I suggested that already a few weeks ago but he said, it is not owned by him and would also cost money to be purchased if it even can be purchased. I don't know if it's possible to be used for farming land.

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Donation refunded as promised: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/ac58e92ebfe815a5376a5c70aff33f14bd759f1e7b271b21efd9a8fc385f3739

Looks like there is a shitload of bush adjacent to the land that could be cleared for way less than 0.2 BTC that could be converted into a rice patty.

How about just sharing part of the agric products with the land owners? If renting is a problem, maybe they could agree with the land owners to share 10-30% of what comes out of their farm.
I think lots of the landowners will wish the lands produce bountifully to have bountiful share of the farm produce.

I don't think that's true since if they are already "big farmers" then I don't think they are qualified to get land grants as this privilege is for people who can't buy their own lands.

Here are the requirements your friend need in order to apply for a land grant.


It might look a lot and overwhelming since this are several legal documents needed by the farmer to get and he might need some assistance for him to obtain everything especially he needs to worry about the pandemic and all. But I think the reward of having a free land as well as cutting their cost on buying one is something that he needs to target in if you want to save money and all.

I asked him and he said he knows about it but it's very hard to get, mostly only for big farmers.

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At first, I had given him small amounts of my own BTC and I felt confident he used it for what he send me pictures from. It was a very small amount, when a typhoon hit his town and he purchased some food and water from it. Later, he send me pictures from his damaged farm and I gave him some more to build it back up. He always delievered pictures when I asked him.
So I was sure, it was legitly used and started a little donation campaign.
When it was successfully finished, I suggested him to set up an abandoned farm near his house, which was in background when he made pictures from his vegetables. It was land owned by his town.

He said how much it would cost and I agreed to make a second donation campaign for it, so it was actually my idea to start it. Pictures from it are included in the OP, so I can say for sure it is build while we are seeing the progress here.
Yes, all funds could be set aside for a different purpose while they would have build up the farm anyways. That is highly unlikely because it was my idea to select that specific part of land and this farm looks like it was abandoned for 2 years or more.

However, it is very unlikely to be a scam and I'm also transparent about funds being used. Personally, I would not scam for a few mBTC. 

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But he told me today, the new part of land is unfortunately no longer up for sale because someone else bought it. He told me to cancel our campaign, so I'll do it, refund SFR10 for his donation (many thanks) and will send my 2 mBTC directly to his farm to use it for harvesting / miscellaneous expenses when his current rice can be harvested. 

I am not involved but personally this statement is enough for me:

Since I trust 1miau and assume that he (and his friend) is acting correctly, I joined the campaign some time ago. However, not here but in the German thread.

I think the whole thing comes down to trust....

What guarantee do we have that the bitcoin are actually going towards that project? Let me make an example and then you tell me if it is possible to do this or not.

Ok, let's say I take photo's of someone else's project or even just the land that are being worked by those people and I say that this is a project funded by the Bitcoin donations that are being donated on this forum. (Will that be possible?)

What proof can be given that our donations will go towards that project? ( I love the idea, because you are helping them to fish and you are not simply buying the fish for them) 
 

getting land for agriculture Is something very complicated to achieve. in my country for example the land Is government property, people request the government and the government grants the land to the person and the person cannot sell the land, this is in my country's constitution. but unfortunately we all sell the land and because of that the rich end up buying all fertile land and then reselling the land for very high prices, something like $30,000 for a land of very small dimensions. the only way that farmers had to benefit from land was because they had been living on the land for more than 30 to 40 years and this allowed previous generations to pass on the land as an inheritance for future generations. but my country’s farmers are unable to do agriculture that can supply the entire market in my country.

the storms, cyclones and the bad political of my government has ended up creating more hunger in our society even though we have land to grow food

in asia the situation of agriculture is more evolved than africa, even family farming in asia is much more evolved than family farming in africa

Renting the lands causes them to not get any profits because their landlords will be demanding large amount of money to pay for their lease on the land. This is evident in my country with a lot of farmers doing farm works in someone's land just to have something to eat for the day. They can't afford the risk because most farmers are illiterate and most people that try to help them are either using them for someone's agenda or they are being exploited, and if they take the risk that means that they are laying their families life on the line, a lot of farmers have been killed because they want some changes in their way of life.

Most of the farmers don't actually own the lands they farm on and the downside here is how little the profit they get as most of it goes to the owners. Probably about 60% of the profit goes to the owner, then 40% to the farmers... nah, that's too generous. In reality it's more likely 70-80/30-40% ratio. If you think I'm exaggerating, you can read up the _{Hacienda Luisita} fiasco which used to be hush hush for several years.

To farm on a "no man's land", that would most probably be considered as "squatting". They will most probably be driven away or even arrested. Most of the agricultural land left are at least owned by someone or the government. And yes, most farmers actually build their homes on the land where they farm. This becomes a conflict whenever the landowners decides to sell the farmland and the farmers loses not only their jobs but also their homes.

Hey there bro nice to see you helping some people in a developing country as they truly need help directly. Also if I may ask does the friend of yours in the Philippines know anything about the land grants being given for farmers there? Because if you want to save your money and spend it elsewhere your friend might want to try and apply for a land grant under the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR).


Basically the land grant is about occupying a disposable land for a certain period of time in which the transfer of ownership will happen just by fulfilling the occupation period. So if you want to maximize your money you might want to explore this option with the DENR besides land grants from what I know they have several other related benefits for farmers regarding special land use permits on which the farmer is allowed to farm freely without purchasing the land, I hope this helps you as even some citizens here in the Philippines don't know about these kinds of laws/benefits for them.

Farmers don't have to buy lands to farm.
How about renting lands? Or the farmers could organize and move into forest or "no man's land" to farm.
I sometimes wonder why farmers don't take that risk to cut cost. They could even build temporary homes there to live close to the farms.

Many thanks for your donation, every amount is useful to start funding here. 
I'll include it in my OP.

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And I've also an update from our last campaign (donations came from German local board) where we can see a nice progress. Seems like rice is growing very fast generally:

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Yes, he has said something similar, it's not easy for them and when typhoons / floods are occuring, it can bring a lot of damage. Their farm is located in Isabela, I don't know if there are local differences.

Most farmers in my country(Philippines) do not have their own land and most of them are part of a hacienda or ranch that is owned by the oligarchs. That money that hopefully gets donated might be able to help them pay their debts, buy seeds and buy their food. Filipino farmers are among the poorest in my country and there are only a few that gets lucky because those who asked for more are either killed or removed from the land, what I am saying is that they are always getting the short end of the stick.

Here's a donation ^{[TX link]} to kickstart this campaign but credit goes to "monkgg ^{[I've used what monkgg sent me as a tip for being the first reviewer for his/her platform]}"...

<sup>- I did ask for "monkgg's permission" prior to passing it on to this campaign.
- Since there's no rush, I intentionally used a small fee so more would go towards this campaign but I did accelerate it using both ViaBTC and AntPool.</sup>

I have to admit that the prices surprised me, especially after I found data on average salaries that are incomparably lower than the EU average - so a construction worker and a teacher earn about $370 a month, and a maintenance and cleaning crew only $166.


I believe that the situation has changed with this price increase, people see that the price is rising and there are stories that 1 BTC will be worth maybe a few hundred thousand $. There comes a time when every satoshi will be appreciated - but I hope the project will succeed, although it may take a little longer than it did before.

Yes, it isn't cheap and I was also surprised when I heard about food prices. In general, it doesn't seem much lower than Europe here.

I asked him and it's around 5,000 square meters in total, so detailed costs are 2$ per square meter or let's say 1.50$ per square meter if we allocate 2.5k $ for preparing.
Compared to land, I would say it's still relatively cheap because where I'm from (Germany) land for farming can be very expensive but it depends where it's located.

I don't know if we can reach 10k here, maybe it's also possible to scale it down but it was based on my estimations from last round (we collected almost 0.1BTC in our German local board very quickly but BTC price was at 30k when we collected it).

I have one question regarding the price of land in the Philippines - specifically in this case the agricultural land that will be used for rice cultivation. I don't know exactly what the size of the land is, but 0.2 BTC is around $10 000 at the current price - so even though you included all the other costs, I was somehow convinced that agricultural land in that part of the world would be much cheaper.

In my country (EU), a large proportion of workers earn that much throughout the year - although there are those who earn perhaps only 60-70% of that amount.