Topic: [FAILED]Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September - page 24. (Read 69482 times)

Which forums? These forums here at Bitcointalk (which you say are not relevant)  or the forums on Butterflylabs which you have banned everyone from and deleted all the posts?  That place is a ghost town now.

Your shoutbox is now but a whisper.

7 days left to the end of September, what's the new goal today?  July 8th,  April 30  Fill in the ____________

He *IS* doing his job. Josh has been swindling investors all along...he's good at it.

Charge back if you're able, don't even think twice. BFL is managed by crooks.

That's only a slip if you haven't been playing very close attention to Josh's statements. Josh makes a lot of predictions based on terms he refuses to define. In particular, Josh's meanings for "pre-order" and "back order" are never defined anywhere. He intends for you to assume they mean what you think they would mean. But there is strong evidence that this is not the case. Not the least that he refuses to define the terms even when cornered. That should be a red flag that it's a key weasel word.

IMHO when BFL says "pre-orders" or "back orders" you must assume it refers *only* to orders placed *before* April 1, 2013.

I say this because when Josh initially and loudly announced the chip credit program it was for "all pre-orders". But under the hood in the fine print it excluded April 1 and later orders. When called out on that Josh later edited his post to make it more forthright.

Now, please do note, that "With the current order book up to today, I expect it to be filled by the end of September" does not actually define "it" as the orders in the order book "up to today". The antecedent for "it" in that sentence is not properly defined (even when you view the entire post). The intuitive understanding for "it" when reading the post is the back orders. So what that sentence actually says is:

"With [reference to] the current order book [which includes all cancellations/refunds] up to today, I expect [the 'back orders'] to be filled by the end of September"

This does not say that all the orders through today are back orders, etc.

Anyway, this is just an example of how you think you know what Josh is saying, but he is never actually saying anything. He's quite skilled at that. So you can list thousands of his quotes and none of them actually say anything substantive at all.

Josh's communications are carefully crafted and deliberate line noise and you're a fool to interpolate meaning where meaning has been excised.

I think the cognitive disconnect lies with you and shipping products. Did you think people were not gonna bitch about you not shipping their orders for over a year? How you are even still in business is fucking mind boggling. Actually, I do know how you keep the doors open. Holding onto peoples hard earned money and dangling the carrot in front of their faces with your shipping updates.


You just now in the past week got Singles on the right side of 1 year backlog. So reading the forums does not help that much and only shows how much of an asshole you really are.


Thanks for proving my asshole point.

Believe me, it will be more of a relief to me than it will be to you!

PS - there's no "H' in "sure".

without to get too personal I suggest go back to work and do your job. I have a order in your system which I can charge off. this is the situation we have right now. I will never ever do any business with you again, for shure.

Someone hasn't been reading the forums!

They're complaining because you're late and others are early (relative to you).  There's nothing more or less to it than that.

I'm serious.  The cognitive disconnect that some people hold is amazing to me.  The people complaining about BFL not shipping then complaining that the difficulty is going up because BFL is shipping is mind boggling.  Do they just not understand how difficulty works?  Did they think they'd be the only people receiving a device and no one else would? What's the logic behind their posts?  That's what I want to know.

71 74 75 198 days of Jalapenos to ship  [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
152 154 175 299 Days of Little Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
148 178 209 257 404 days of Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
303 311430 days of Mini-rig orders.   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]


674 684  749 product line days left to ship

They are shipping 21 product line days  (product line days is the combined amount of days of all products) on average each day.

They need 32 35 more days (shipping 7 days a week) to get to the end of April.  They have 7 days left until their latest self imposed deadline. guess wild ass guess  estimation goal.

If they sacrifice one product line over the others, they may get one to the finish line. Chances of getting all of them to the finish line are ZERO.


Adjusted the clock for Kansas time.

Josh forgot to add a third choice: Would the difficulty go up? BTW, this is the correct answer, but then it wouldn't have been a rhetorical question, along with giving the previous "dead serious" question cred.

Taking the two sentences combined, it's difficult to ascertain if Josh truly is dead serious or simply offering up a rhetorical choice.

3 Jul 13 https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/352443673574780929

"Josh,you were thinking all 2012 (non-MR) pre orders would be shipped by end of July, still feel that way?"
BFL_JoshYeah, I think we'll get it done.

3 Jul 13https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/352443673574780929

BFL_Josh - I still expect us to be through the back orders by the end of August.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre...html#post44788

Suddenly the shipping for all orders to date slips a month

8 Jul 13 https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/354233716274495488
With the current order book up to today, I expect it to be filled by the end of September.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl...html#post45852

10 Jul 13 https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/355022916909408256
BFL_Josh - As far as I know, our new production manager is still on target for the end of September.
So not sure what you make of Josh's predictions ... seems to me like he is simply passing on the party line from his boss and saying what he is told to say... but quite frankly... DON'T BELIEVE IT!!

Some replies I found worth now posting here:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pos...te-delays.html

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh  View Post
There is no "September promise. " Where are you guys getting this from?

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh  View Post
Yes, you're right, all the quotes have definitively proved my point. There is no "September promise" that people keep citing. There has never been a "September promise." So far, not a single person has shown a quote from anyone at BFL promising all back orders would be shipped by the end of September. All dates given have been estimates, that's why they are called estimates and not "guarantees."

Is this really that hard to understand? Do people really not understand what an estimate is?

As far as this quote goes:

It's due specifically to the fact that we are delivering and fulfilling our end of things. That's what's so ridiculous about all these arguments. Why do you think the difficulty is going up? Who else is shipping in quantity besides BFL? We crossed the 10,000 units shipped mark sometime last week and our production is accelerating. Please, and I'm dead serious about this, tell me what you thought was going to happen after we shipped all of our products? Did you think difficulty would remain the same or go down?

Some gentlemen named Fuzzybear spent quite a bit of time compiling all the
Josh and Jody quotes regarding all the missed deadlines, targets, estimates (whatever word the shills like today) the ones towards the end about the September target are specifically entertaining.   

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4974-so-lets-take-look-history-some-delivery-dates-predictions-bfl.html

Thanks, bud.
Serious question: Are the MR still available and if not when was the last date one could've ordered?

2012 unfortunately

Is that 2012 or 2013?

Nice jump on Singles and MR I see, pretty soon will be caught up on the first 2 month's orders and shipping full units. 

I have a feeling someone said "Warp speed Mr. Sulu!"

They found out that they couldn't mine with our hardware and keep our pre-order money too!

Orders were thin for sure.

When they hit March/April it will be like June 23rd all over again

Their singles are flying out the door!

Is that because production has ramped up or because orders were thin oct/nov 2012?