[FAILED]Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September - page 28.

joeventura

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Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 01:12:41 PM

Quote from: joeventura on September 18, 2013, 01:02:37 PM

No one said Josh "promised" anything.

If you read through this thread you will find your statement to be false. It has been repeatedly stated that this was a hard deadline by several of those posting. I was simply correcting them.

I will not argue the quality or reliability of those estimates as I consider them to be poor as well.

Provides quotes to that nature please.

Right in the OP you will see the word "Estimation" (it's right next to the word ~~lie~~ ) if you have trouble finding it.

This isn't about promises. Butterfly Labs and the word "promise" are/is an oxymoron"

As is BFL & Customer Service
BFL & Communications
BFL & FCC Certification
BFL & Compliance with the Law & FTC Guidelines.

You smell what I am steppin' in shill?

Rival

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Quote from: joeventura on September 18, 2013, 12:11:34 PM

They have 12 days left until their latest self imposed deadline.

one example of dozens.

chanson

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Josh posted today in response to a criticism of BFL product quality:

"So many arriving dsyfunctional? How do you figure? We've shipped over 10,000 units and we've had less than 100 come back for RMA. I'd say that failure rate is spectacular."

Even assuming all these 10,000 units shipped after 6 July 2013, that still only comes to an average production rate of 135 units/day.

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Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 12:48:05 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:46:57 PM

Send me your bitcoin and I promise that the target is to send you back the double by tomorrow.

Still waiting for quote so that I can stand corrected. How hard can that be?

BFL never promises anything. Everything is an "estimate", and every "estimate" is missed. Eventually you come to realize their "estimates" are deliberately optimistic in the hopes of deceiving customers.

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Quote from: joeventura on September 18, 2013, 01:02:37 PM

No one said Josh "promised" anything.

If you read through this thread you will find your statement to be false. It has been repeatedly stated that this was a hard deadline by several of those posting. I was simply correcting them.

I will not argue the quality or reliability of those estimates as I consider them to be poor as well.

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Josh's performance is not by making honest estimates but influencing current customers and future customers for a positive outcome for BFL. Nothing else matters. Sad but true.

joeventura

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Quote from: Xian01 on September 18, 2013, 12:54:46 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:46:57 PM

Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 12:45:48 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:43:56 PM

Send me 1BTC and I estimate that tomorrow I will send you back 2BTC. Good deal?
BFL have been estimating shipping date since 1 year.

Still waiting for quote.

Send me your bitcoin and I promise that the target is to send you back the double by tomorrow.

I have Rival ignored, so won't be responding to him directly, but hopefully this should suffice. Again, it was never more than an estimate; not disputing that.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/better-business-bureau-receives-official-response-from-butterfly-labs-283853

"We are are working to fulfill our current order backlog as soon as possible. Our current estimate is by September 30 we should have most of our order backlog fulfilled. Your orders should ship in advance of that date."

What people take issue with, is it speaks to a pattern of consistently making mistakes when producing estimates.

This has been going on since November 2012 (Earlier than that if you count their first FPGA projects' missteps)

It's getting tired and pathetic at this point.

It's not mistakes. It's incompetence. When you make an estimate and you are off on your first estimate by 3 months,
then with 3 weeks to go, you are again going to miss it by a few more months. That is just sheer incompetence.

I am pretty sure if you asked Josh to estimate what they would ship by the end of the week, he would miss it by 50%

joeventura

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Listen,

No one said Josh "promised" anything. The purpose of this thread is to show that even on 9/11/2013 Josh did not have enough situational awareness to know that in less than 3 weeks he was not going to make his estimate of April 30th.

Josh has never made a promise ever. Period.

He has made one failed estimate after another.

On 7/7/2013 he estimated that he would have everything up until today (7/7/13) cleared by the end of September
On 9/11/2013 he revised that estimate to say that when he said "today" he meant all orders until the end of April 2013.

As expected he has already backpeddled from that statement and that is why he got the [FAIL] on his latest "estimate"

I will have my June 2013 ordered KNCMiner device before I get my April ordered BFL device. JUST SAD.

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Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 12:48:05 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:46:57 PM

Send me your bitcoin and I promise that the target is to send you back the double by tomorrow.

Still waiting for quote so that I can stand corrected. How hard can that be?

You're definitely a josh sock puppet

Ignore click

Xian01

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:46:57 PM

Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 12:45:48 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:43:56 PM

Send me 1BTC and I estimate that tomorrow I will send you back 2BTC. Good deal?
BFL have been estimating shipping date since 1 year.

Still waiting for quote.

Send me your bitcoin and I promise that the target is to send you back the double by tomorrow.

I have Rival ignored, so won't be responding to him directly, but hopefully this should suffice. Again, it was never more than an estimate; not disputing that.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/better-business-bureau-receives-official-response-from-butterfly-labs-283853

"We are are working to fulfill our current order backlog as soon as possible. Our current estimate is by September 30 we should have most of our order backlog fulfilled. Your orders should ship in advance of that date."

What people take issue with, is it speaks to a pattern of consistently making mistakes when producing estimates.

This has been going on since November 2012 (Earlier than that if you count their first FPGA projects' missteps)

It's getting tired and pathetic at this point.

Rival

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:46:57 PM

Send me your bitcoin and I promise that the target is to send you back the double by tomorrow.

Still waiting for quote so that I can stand corrected. How hard can that be?

01BTC10

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Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 12:45:48 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:43:56 PM

Send me 1BTC and I estimate that tomorrow I will send you back 2BTC. Good deal?

BFL have been estimating shipping date since 1 year.

Still waiting for quote.

Send me your bitcoin and I promise that the target is to send you back the double by tomorrow.

Rival

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on September 18, 2013, 12:43:56 PM

Send me 1BTC and I estimate that tomorrow I will send you back 2BTC. Good deal?

BFL have been estimating shipping date since 1 year.

Still waiting for quote.

01BTC10

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Quote from: Rival on September 18, 2013, 12:41:28 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on September 18, 2013, 12:36:05 PM

Quote from: Harderfaster on September 18, 2013, 12:33:40 PM

Dont know if any of you have seen this, but this is from BFL forum.
Josh: There is no "September promise. " Where are you guys getting this from?

LOL. He will argue his end-of-September estimate was just that; an estimate and nothing more.

I've seen this show before and it's just getting sad to keep watching at this point.

Wish it would just go off the air or get cancelled already.

I am yet to see a quote that indicated that it was anything but a target. If someone would be willing to provide an official quote that indicated that it was anything other than a target or estimate I will stand corrected.

Send me 1BTC and I estimate that tomorrow I will send you back 2BTC. Good deal?

BFL have been giving shipping target for 1 year.

Rival

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Quote from: Xian01 on September 18, 2013, 12:36:05 PM

Quote from: Harderfaster on September 18, 2013, 12:33:40 PM

Dont know if any of you have seen this, but this is from BFL forum.
Josh: There is no "September promise. " Where are you guys getting this from?

LOL. He will argue his end-of-September estimate was just that; an estimate and nothing more.

I've seen this show before and it's just getting sad to keep watching at this point.

Wish it would just go off the air or get cancelled already.

I am yet to see a quote that indicated that it was anything but a target. If someone would be willing to provide an official quote that indicated that it was anything other than a target or estimate I will stand corrected.

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Quote from: Harderfaster on September 18, 2013, 12:33:40 PM

Dont know if any of you have seen this, but this is from BFL forum.
Josh: There is no "September promise. " Where are you guys getting this from?

LOL. He will argue his end-of-September estimate was just that; an estimate and nothing more.

I've seen this show before and it's just getting sad to keep watching at this point.

Wish it would just go off the air or get cancelled already.

Harderfaster

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Dont know if any of you have seen this, but this is from BFL forum.

Josh: There is no "September promise. " Where are you guys getting this from?

I am so glad I have managed to pull out my money out of BFL with the help of lajz99...

chanson

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Josh is such a dork. If he's going to backpedal his predictions, he should at least backpedal far enough so he's got something he's guaranteed to hit. It's almost as if they're deliberately choosing to be failures.

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I'm not all that good at arithmetic, but here's something that doesn't seem to add up to me.

It has been mentioned on these threads, credibly, that: (a) BFL has over 10,000 customers; and (b) orders totaled more than 2,000 TH. Those two numbers mesh; the average order could be on the order of 200 GH.

If so, here's what doesn't add up for me. That 2,000,000 GH is represented by -say- 20 GH per machine (taking jally's, 30's, 60's, and the rigs).

That's 100,000 boxes. That's a lot of boxes a day... Huh

joeventura

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75 ~~198~~ days of Jalapenos to ship [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
154 ~~175~~ ~~299~~ Days of Little Singles [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
209 ~~257~~ ~~404~~ days of Singles [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
311~~430~~ days of Mini-rig orders. [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]

749 product line days left to ship

They are shipping 21 product line days (product line days is the combined amount of days of all products) on average each day.

They need 35 more days (shipping 7 days a week) to get to the end of April. They have 12 days left until their latest self imposed deadline.

I am thinking Thanksgiving to clear all product lines to April 30th, then to end of February (just before Monarch) to finish.

Timer removed. End time: 2013-09-30+23:59:59UTC

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