Operating a Bitcoin Mixing Service is considered illegal in many jurisdictions or extremly shady at best. For that and many other reasons we will continue to ban people who are abusing Fairlay. Banning abusive clients and criminals is however only possible with KYC procedures. We will not pay out funds to customers who abused Fairlay and failed to establish their identity.
Just play by the rules and our terms and conditions and you are fine like 99.9% of our customers.
Topic: FAIRLAY.COM SCAM REPORT! 1.235 depositted BTC STUCK WITH THEM (Read 971 times)
February 24, 2018, 06:41:09 PM
Our hands are tied as long as we cannot establish the identity of the user.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
You do not want to pay the coins. Coins leaving your hot wallet is treated as revenue lost.
That excuse about money laundering won't easily convince people here to take your side. If you are genuinely concerned about money laundering, then you should have required KYC documents during the account opening or joining phase. Why was depositing coins perfectly OK but then you criminalized withdrawing them? If you are genuinely KYC/AML compliant as you claim, you would be applying the rules ahead of any deposit or even during the account opening stage and not when only when coins are to be withdrawn.
The verdict is simple: you are using every dirty excuse on the face of this planet to keep the coins. This is not fair play.
Fraudsters.
February 24, 2018, 04:15:52 PM
It's obvious that fairlay's behaviours is unacceptable since they are not authority to confiscate people's money at will!
That's the reason i am sick and tired of centralised bookmakers/exchanges i can't wait for decentralised betting and bitcoin exchanges , that's the reason we need them asap
In the mean time i am more than sure that fairlay will pay multiple times the amount they confiscated due to customers lose faith to them after that
I would advise betg to inform as many potential users of fairlay as he cans about this
That's the reason i am sick and tired of centralised bookmakers/exchanges i can't wait for decentralised betting and bitcoin exchanges , that's the reason we need them asap
In the mean time i am more than sure that fairlay will pay multiple times the amount they confiscated due to customers lose faith to them after that
I would advise betg to inform as many potential users of fairlay as he cans about this
December 30, 2017, 07:40:12 AM
MY DEPOSIT IS STILL NOT REFUNDED, THEY DO NOT ANSWER TO MY MAILS, STAY AWAY!!!
December 04, 2017, 12:31:12 AM
This is day light robbery fairlay 
. If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.
You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.
. If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.
What other ways?
There are no ways of preventing him to access the platform again without establishing his identity.
Rhaver has suggested you surrender the funds to a government authority. They in turn can investigate your accusations. You are the ones committing a fraud in this instance, ignoring the user rather than reach a compromise with him would drag this on forever and harm your reputation. Surely, your brand is worth much more than 1.2btc?
December 02, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
It was a very substancial case of money laundering.
I don't see how any of this can justify taking his money.
If you suspect his intentions were to mix coins, you could just send them back to the sending address (as he asked) which would defeat the purpose of his mixing, as well as file a suspicious activity report.
Or you could surrender them to a government authority, and provide him with the details so he can claim his money back.
December 02, 2017, 10:18:43 AM
It was a very substancial case of money laundering.
And this was only the 2nd time we asked someone for documents. As long as you are not comitting betting fraud / money laundering you are fine to use Fairlay without KYC.
money laundering is a big accusation and you can't simply go with that accusation
the user was using your site for arbitrage betting , that means if he deposit and then the opportunity disappears he will simply withdraw his money without wagering a single satoshi
This isn't enough to accuse a person for money laundering , there are many mixers if he wanted to do that but clearly this is not the case at all
December 02, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
Our hands are tied as long as we cannot establish the identity of the user.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
may I know why you asked him for ID ?? is there anything that he did wrong ?? cause AFAIK there is nothing to be abused in fairlay right ??
while most sites have KYC in their TOS , I find it extremely shady to ask people for their IDs unless there is a reason of course
so hope you share more about this situation , why to ask for KYC ?? this is really the first time I see you asking for that
It was a very substancial case of money laundering.
And this was only the 2nd time we asked someone for documents. As long as you are not comitting betting fraud / money laundering you are fine to use Fairlay without KYC.
Is there any specific illegal act by the user? If so, please provide proof here. Your posts will not get any value without any proof.
If you fail to proof that the user was a money launderer by illegal act then you will probably lose your right to ask for kyc.
All I'm asking you to proof here by the procedure Fairlay has determined that the user is money launderer.
As long as you are not comitting betting fraud / money laundering you are fine to use Fairlay without KYC.
I afraid to believe your statement.If I or any other user deposits and wins big later, then you will not accuse us as money launderer and ask for kyc?
Bitcoin is meant to be anonymous, right?
So how money launderer accusation and kyc became part of Fairlay while you accept bitcoin as deposit option?
Why don't you move to fiat?
December 02, 2017, 07:52:04 AM
Our hands are tied as long as we cannot establish the identity of the user.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
may I know why you asked him for ID ?? is there anything that he did wrong ?? cause AFAIK there is nothing to be abused in fairlay right ??
while most sites have KYC in their TOS , I find it extremely shady to ask people for their IDs unless there is a reason of course
so hope you share more about this situation , why to ask for KYC ?? this is really the first time I see you asking for that
It was a very substancial case of money laundering.
And this was only the 2nd time we asked someone for documents. As long as you are not comitting betting fraud / money laundering you are fine to use Fairlay without KYC.
December 02, 2017, 07:44:26 AM
Our hands are tied as long as we cannot establish the identity of the user.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
may I know why you asked him for ID ?? is there anything that he did wrong ?? cause AFAIK there is nothing to be abused in fairlay right ??
while most sites have KYC in their TOS , I find it extremely shady to ask people for their IDs unless there is a reason of course
so hope you share more about this situation , why to ask for KYC ?? this is really the first time I see you asking for that
December 02, 2017, 06:22:22 AM
This is day light robbery fairlay . If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.
You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.
. If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.
What other ways?
There are no ways of preventing him to access the platform again without establishing his identity.
December 02, 2017, 06:20:27 AM
Our hands are tied as long as we cannot establish the identity of the user.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
The user aborted the KYC procedure when we asked for a simple proof that this documents were authentic. Instead of getting a webcam, smartphone or simple camera to produce the proof the user aborted the KYC procedure and went on spending dozens of hours discrediting us.
November 25, 2017, 11:30:07 AM
This is day light robbery fairlay . If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.
You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.
. If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.
November 24, 2017, 09:43:18 AM
You cant label anyone is a "fraud" and take their BTC if they dont oblige to your demand of ID verification. You are not the police or the judge. You can ban players by IP/Account, but you cannot pocket their crypto! Low.
November 24, 2017, 02:06:06 AM
I used to like fairlay a lot , it was like 2nd to me after nitro but this thing makes me cautious
IDK why you can accuse someone of fraud if he sometimes deposit and don't wager , arbitrage bettors can't bet when the opportunity is gone
you are taking fees so the process doesn't cost money , it's not nice even to ask for documents
sites that don't have withdrawals fee like Betcoin have some reason to do that , but when you are taking fee then this doesn't make sense
IDK why you can accuse someone of fraud if he sometimes deposit and don't wager , arbitrage bettors can't bet when the opportunity is gone
you are taking fees so the process doesn't cost money , it's not nice even to ask for documents
sites that don't have withdrawals fee like Betcoin have some reason to do that , but when you are taking fee then this doesn't make sense
November 24, 2017, 12:25:53 AM
Scammy move by Fairlay.
They dont have a licence as far as i know. Why are you surprised that someone is not willing to send their ID to some random ass no-licence gambling website? You just stole his money as far as i am concerned.
They dont have a licence as far as i know. Why are you surprised that someone is not willing to send their ID to some random ass no-licence gambling website? You just stole his money as far as i am concerned.
We consider this case closed for quite a while now. This was our last response regarding this matter:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22050784
TL;DR We suspect OP of money laundering, document forging, abuse and identity theft.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22050784
TL;DR We suspect OP of money laundering, document forging, abuse and identity theft.
How do you came to a conclusion that the issue has been closed a while ago?
An issue can only be close when both parties agrees to a solution and that will be a happy ending.
You referred to your post > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22050784
After your post I checked all the pages for a solution / happy ending, but there is none I found.
I also found that some other members posted regarding this issue and you haven't answered them, just referred them to your above post.
Why didn't you answered RHavar posts, RHavar have logic in his post if I am not wrong.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22050895
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22051866
You are providing betting exchange service, and you are not court, police or any authorities to decide to hold another person's money.
In your above mentioned post, you said We won't pay out the money unless ordered by court, arbitrator or police.
So I want to know, have you contacted any authorities so far or not, as it is one month gone after your post?
I want to ask one question, this is just out of my curiosity.
My most earnings are from sig. campaign, which is bitcoin. So if I want to bet in your site how do I proof my income.
Who knows one day you will say that I am a money launderer or a criminal and you will hold my money?
Looking forward for DT members involvement in this issue.
We consider this case closed for quite a while now. This was our last response regarding this matter:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22050784
TL;DR We suspect OP of money laundering, document forging, abuse and identity theft.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22050784
TL;DR We suspect OP of money laundering, document forging, abuse and identity theft.
In order to protect the reputation of your website, I would suggest that you reopen the case and allow OP a further 7 days to provide ID. As it seems like this scam accusation is likely hurting your business.
To OP, it seems like Fairlay requested ID from you (reasonable under AML), and you did not provide it due to having no camera. Surely it is worth buying a camera just to get this money back? Use a friends camera, heck, even go to your nearest Apple store and use one of the display phones if you have to.
In any case, keeping the money does not seem to be the logical solution to this case, you suspect OP of using illicit funds, and yet now you think those illicit funds are somehow yours to keep?
Very interesting read from the fairlay thread. These guys seem to be amateurs. I don't advice depositing here if this is their policy.
Are you saying that you are you privy to this?
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Anyway, my point isn't to defend betg. I know nothing about him, but as a casino owner I know it's not a casinos job to play judge, jury and executioner. If fairlay suspects there is money laundering or what not, it should be reported to the authorities and surrendered or investigated through the proper channels. It is absolutely not fair or reasonable for them to just pocket it.
Users should be wary of unlicensed gambling platforms demanding identity documents.
Ha, that's funny. Reputable casinos have exact opposite policy
But as you mentioned court order, I took a look at your site:
So I was planning on requesting the full company / personnel details to give betg a legal avenue to make his claim, but there are no such records of a company existing. I guess it's no surprise as there are no LLC's in Costa Rica. Just S.A. and S.R.L.'s.
There appears to be no problem with their site, as it is working for every other legitimately incorporated company that I have tried.
I have monitor this gentleman’s post for a while...
Indeed. Even your first post on this forum was about it Quote
he is definitely a fraudster as anyone legit would of provided docs requested immediately..
That's absolutely not true. There are many people who would be hesitant to provide their identification to some shady company. I mean, they're not even "Fairlay LLC" but rather "Fairlay S.L.R" and in their incorporation filing forms they say their company is for the purpose of "trade, real estate, investments, tourism, import/export and trade". Jeez, why would you not trust them.Quote
also his deposit and withdrawal pattern does not match a legitimate player..
Are you saying that you are you privy to this?
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Anyway, my point isn't to defend betg. I know nothing about him, but as a casino owner I know it's not a casinos job to play judge, jury and executioner. If fairlay suspects there is money laundering or what not, it should be reported to the authorities and surrendered or investigated through the proper channels. It is absolutely not fair or reasonable for them to just pocket it.
Users should be wary of unlicensed gambling platforms demanding identity documents.
We won't pay out the money unless ordered by court or police.
Ha, that's funny. Reputable casinos have exact opposite policy
But as you mentioned court order, I took a look at your site:
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This agreement is made and entered into by and between you and Fairlay LLC, incorporated in the Republic of Costa Rica under ID number 3-101-736435 of the National Registery
So I was planning on requesting the full company / personnel details to give betg a legal avenue to make his claim, but there are no such records of a company existing. I guess it's no surprise as there are no LLC's in Costa Rica. Just S.A. and S.R.L.'s.
There appears to be no problem with their site, as it is working for every other legitimately incorporated company that I have tried.
We consider this case closed for quite a while now.
It's WAY AWAY from "closed" for me, I made deposit and You don't want to payout (with new fees rules) or let me wager for it or make anything to sort this out instead of trying to steal my money. Jump to: