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Topic: FAKE - LitecoinFoundation.org donates 2000 LTC to wtogami and Aspect for 0.8.2 (Read 1737 times)

vip
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You folks want me to respond to this mess, or to push some code that fixes bugs in the new 0.6.x release where we are very close?

I think I'll push some code first...

And here us ignorant speculators were tricked into thinking 0.8.2 was right around the corner  Wink

https://plus.google.com/104307324656397909502/posts
I pointed you at important news URL's to read, and you repeatedly refused to read it, instead continuing to ask me questions that were answered in public.

0.6.x and 0.8.2 are being developed simultaneously to both have the same rules.  0.8.2 still has bugs and is very experimental.  I discovered an annoying problem in it a few days ago and fixed it.  We don't want surprises with a new official release, so 0.6.x is the next stable release which reduces fees.

I have an appointment soon.  I'll be back later today.

Quoting PMs eh? Can I publish my log for transparency?
vip
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Chaang,

We made it pretty clear in the development fund thread, that the LTC received will be used in a responsible way. All the current LTC devs are in constant contact with each other. And we all have to agree to something before the funds are used. And every expense is laid out in the public.

There is no secret deal. We have not made any deals with anyone that would unfairly influence the direction of the project. Each one of us are adamant about this point. The large mysterious donor just wanted to help out our cause and did not want his identity known. Is that a crime? No. Does that mean he has a secret influence on us? No!

It is true that I was preoccupied with RL a year ago and let Litecoin development slip. Greedi took advantage of that and tried to claim himself to be the lead developer of Litecoin. I was not aware of that. Did he ask for donation and did you donate to him? I'm sorry for your lost LTC. But you could have easily done your due diligence before donating. I was still available via PM on bitcointalk. If I had received a PM from you saying that "Greedi is claiming to be the lead developer of Litecoin. Is that true?", I would have come back sooner to clean house. The second I found out Greedi was overstepping, I took cared of it.

If you wanted to donate to help improve Litecoin, then please donate to the development fund that all the LTC devs agreed to use. If you want to donate to a single person, feel free to do that in private. But publicly donating to 2 of the devs seems a bit manipulative. And that's why aspect called you out on it.

We were just following the advice of warren (and that is why aspect was included in the donation).

I'm going to PM you about other details so they are not public.

legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1001
things you own end up owning you
Chaang,

We made it pretty clear in the development fund thread, that the LTC received will be used in a responsible way. All the current LTC devs are in constant contact with each other. And we all have to agree to something before the funds are used. And every expense is laid out in the public.

There is no secret deal. We have not made any deals with anyone that would unfairly influence the direction of the project. Each one of us are adamant about this point. The large mysterious donor just wanted to help out our cause and did not want his identity known. Is that a crime? No. Does that mean he has a secret influence on us? No!

It is true that I was preoccupied with RL a year ago and let Litecoin development slip. Greedi took advantage of that and tried to claim himself to be the lead developer of Litecoin. I was not aware of that. Did he ask for donation and did you donate to him? I'm sorry for your lost LTC. But you could have easily done your due diligence before donating. I was still available via PM on bitcointalk. If I had received a PM from you saying that "Greedi is claiming to be the lead developer of Litecoin. Is that true?", I would have come back sooner to clean house. The second I found out Greedi was overstepping, I took cared of it.

If you wanted to donate to help improve Litecoin, then please donate to the development fund that all the LTC devs agreed to use. If you want to donate to a single person, feel free to do that in private. But publicly donating to 2 of the devs seems a bit manipulative. And that's why aspect called you out on it.
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sr. member
Activity: 263
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You folks want me to respond to this mess, or to push some code that fixes bugs in the new 0.6.x release where we are very close?

I think I'll push some code first...

And here us ignorant speculators were tricked into thinking 0.8.2 was right around the corner  Wink

https://plus.google.com/104307324656397909502/posts
I pointed you at important news URL's to read, and you repeatedly refused to read it, instead continuing to ask me questions that were answered in public.

0.6.x and 0.8.2 are being developed simultaneously to both have the same rules.  0.8.2 still has bugs and is very experimental.  I discovered an annoying problem in it a few days ago and fixed it.  We don't want surprises with a new official release, so 0.6.x is the next stable release which reduces fees.

I have an appointment soon.  I'll be back later today.
donator
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Creator of Litecoin. Cryptocurrency enthusiast.
Chaang,

We made it pretty clear in the development fund thread, that the LTC received will be used in a responsible way. All the current LTC devs are in constant contact with each other. And we all have to agree to something before the funds are used. And every expense is laid out in the public.

There is no secret deal. We have not made any deals with anyone that would unfairly influence the direction of the project. Each one of us are adamant about this point. The large mysterious donor just wanted to help out our cause and did not want his identity known. Is that a crime? No. Does that mean he has a secret influence on us? No!

It is true that I was preoccupied with RL a year ago and let Litecoin development slip. Greedi took advantage of that and tried to claim himself to be the lead developer of Litecoin. I was not aware of that. Did he ask for donation and did you donate to him? I'm sorry for your lost LTC. But you could have easily done your due diligence before donating. I was still available via PM on bitcointalk. If I had received a PM from you saying that "Greedi is claiming to be the lead developer of Litecoin. Is that true?", I would have come back sooner to clean house. The second I found out Greedi was overstepping, I took cared of it.

If you wanted to donate to help improve Litecoin, then please donate to the development fund that all the LTC devs agreed to use. If you want to donate to a single person, feel free to do that in private. But publicly donating to 2 of the devs seems a bit manipulative. And that's why aspect called you out on it.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
things you own end up owning you
You guys can say what ever you want, I still think my comments are pointless and only serves the purpose of bumping this thread to max the attention a good drama brings.

Joking aside, some drama is actually refreshing read (instead of "new alt coin released"). Especially since all participants in this one are prominent people.

 Kiss
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full member
Activity: 186
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You guys can say what ever you want, I still think my comments are pointless and only serves the purpose of bumping this thread to max the attention a good drama brings.

Joking aside, some drama is actually refreshing read (instead of "new alt coin released"). Especially since all participants in this one are prominent people.

 Kiss
vip
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
You folks want me to respond to this mess, or to push some code that fixes bugs in the new 0.6.x release where we are very close?

I think I'll push some code first...

And here us ignorant speculators were tricked into thinking 0.8.2 was right around the corner  Wink
sr. member
Activity: 263
Merit: 250
You folks want me to respond to this mess, or to push some code that fixes bugs in the new 0.6.x release where we are very close?

I think I'll push some code first...
vip
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
I did not freak out.  I think my response was balanced while questioning the validity of the message and validity of the organization.

I stated that donation fundraising is for the development team and that the development team is not susceptible to dictation of what should be done with the funds.  Any dictation of what and how should be done by the development team will be instantly refused.  If anyone gives donations saying "if you do so and so", can take their funds back.  If someone wants to donate to individuals, they are welcome to do that in private.

I then proceeded to question the validity of someone with 0 posts calling themselves 'Litecoin Foundation'. Especially since we have had ongoing discussions about this internally.  I also stated that:
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Until there is further real-life information from your direction in regards to your organization, I am unable to establish your level of credibility. Thus I will ignore any interaction with you until that is addressed.

I then also added a personal note that criticized your approach of stating that 'XYZ donates to warren and aspect'.  The whole post looked designed to me like an entrapment that validates your so called foundation the second we accept the funds from you.

My post was almost instantly deleted by whoever started the thread - the 'foundation'.  You should not have done this.  People who have good intent don't delete other people's messages from threads, instead they engage in discussion.  My original post was not hostile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2499524.  Your deletion of my response was. Hence the alternate threads.

aspect






respond to me on irc...

edit: He will not respond on IRC.

vip
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Who would have thought giving away ltc would cause so much drama.


No good deed goes unpunished, especially here.

 Grin Grin Grin


~BCX~

thanks for the support mate:)
newbie
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I did not freak out.  I think my response was balanced while questioning the validity of the message and validity of the organization.

I stated that donation fundraising is for the development team and that the development team is not susceptible to dictation of what should be done with the funds.  Any dictation of what and how should be done by the development team will be instantly refused.  If anyone gives donations saying "if you do so and so", can take their funds back.  If someone wants to donate to individuals, they are welcome to do that in private.

I then proceeded to question the validity of someone with 0 posts calling themselves 'Litecoin Foundation'. Especially since we have had ongoing discussions about this internally.  I also stated that:
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Until there is further real-life information from your direction in regards to your organization, I am unable to establish your level of credibility. Thus I will ignore any interaction with you until that is addressed.

I then also added a personal note that criticized your approach of stating that 'XYZ donates to warren and aspect'.  The whole post looked designed to me like an entrapment that validates your so called foundation the second we accept the funds from you.

My post was almost instantly deleted by whoever started the thread - the 'foundation'.  You should not have done this.  People who have good intent don't delete other people's messages from threads, instead they engage in discussion.  My original post was not hostile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2499524.  Your deletion of my response was. Hence the alternate threads.

aspect




legendary
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HODL for life.
I'll just go on record as saying if anyone wants to send 2000LTC my way, I promise I will graciously accept it.

Who's first  Cheesy
full member
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My thoughts exactly. Note my pointless comments just to keep the thread alive for bumping the drama (which I unfortunately can not contribute to).

So much popcorn time, it's crazy!

Who would have thought giving away ltc would cause so much drama.

Drama so sweet Cool
thanks to it, the fundraising has had more exposure in a couple of hours than the last couple of days.
full member
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I think people do what ever they want to do as long as they can do whatever they want to do, no matter what people say what people can and can not do.

I think people should do whatever they want to do. I dont see any problems at all. I was around during the ltc dark times and understand that people thinl twice. I dont see a problem with 2k being sent to devs that people trust. If dev then sends ltc to donation pool or if it is accounted for even though its on another address who cares? If the 5k pledger cares that would however be interesting to know about, but he/she/it is anonymous so I guess well.. Anyway people are free to do whatever they want to do with their ltc. Would be awesome if 5k could be triggered.

Free market for the win. Does it support secret deals?
vip
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Yes but warren has stated he might not stay and coblee seems to be too busy. We wanted to give more than 2k.

that would be a pity, would be sad to see Warren leave. Clear communication is key which and he has done it tremendously good. I was glad to finaly see a coherent dev team.

keep up the good work dev team ^^

Honestly his lack of comitment is why we did this and limit it to only 2k
legendary
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RUM AND CARROTS: A PIRATE LIFE FOR ME
So much popcorn time, it's crazy!

Who would have thought giving away ltc would cause so much drama.

Myself remembering the "darker days" of LTC and at one being being thoroughly convinced the gig was up, I think its perfectly reasonable that you guys started this foundation back then and perhaps haven't thought much more about it since then.

If it makes you feel any better you can donate 2000LTC to me and I promise not to touch it for 2 years. :-) Oh and I'll talk all sorts of lovely sweet things about LTC left and right. :-)
vip
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
So much popcorn time, it's crazy!

Who would have thought giving away ltc would cause so much drama.

Drama so sweet Cool
thanks to it, the fundraising has had more exposure in a couple of hours than the last couple of days.

  Wink
newbie
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Yes but warren has stated he might not stay and coblee seems to be too busy. We wanted to give more than 2k.

that would be a pity, would be sad to see Warren leave. Clear communication is key which and he has done tremendously good. I was glad to finaly see a coherent dev team.

keep up the good work dev team ^^
newbie
Activity: 22
Merit: 0
So much popcorn time, it's crazy!

Who would have thought giving away ltc would cause so much drama.

Drama so sweet Cool
thanks to it, the fundraising has had more exposure in a couple of hours than the last couple of days.
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