Topic: FastBluff.com is piloting a Signature Campaign! [Highest Paying Campaign] - page 2. (Read 7868 times)

It's not a late problem.
In fact you're register at wrong time or i just can say, you're register at the middle of war
And this is a last week of fast bluff's sig campaign

I appreciate the calm reply, gweedo.  I just want add for the record that this whole mess could have been avoided pretty easily by fastbluff above when I pointed out that the policy he was suggesting essentialy amounted to not paying for a number of my posts, he could have at that time approached me off thread, or basically done anything other than what he did, which is refuse to discuss it and then make accusations.  The other thing I want to point out is that the OP doesn't say anything about having to enroll each week by PM, so I really think some flexibility from fastbluff would have avoided the huge stinkbomb this turned into.

BTW, I can confirm that the site is back up now.  Cheers.

Hello everyone!

I have spoke to the investors of the site, as well as many outside people and I took it upon myself to end this campaign. I personally hate signature campaigns for this reason exactly. I am not going to be blaming Sed at all, I would fight for money if I thought it was owed to me as well. I still have to side with fastbluff, the reason we need a pm confirmation is for two things. One it gives the user notification and lets us know that they acknowledge that the round is over. It also lets us get a good bearing for the post count when the new round gets started. This was never a plan to get free days, hours or even minutes of advertising. This thread turn into exactly what I didn't want it to be. It only hurts my brand and my investment at the end of the day. It also points to a disorderly web site being ran, I know if I saw this thread I wouldn't use fastbluff.

I think it is best we finish out the week, we end it and we payout. Lets end this on a good note. I will be handling the payment for Thursday.

Just for the record, we never planned on this being a long term thing (more than 1 month, but not longer than 6 months), we are switching to an affiliate program, hopefully people that want to support us and earn money, will turn to it.

Thank you.

You're ending this? Too bad I was thinking of working on making few new, more attractive sigs for senior and hero members.

you're too late to join this campaign

Not accepting anymore!

post count : 274
bitcoin address : 1DgL9CDtbKdoV8mxJjAH5GNtery6yszTDW

Wow, so I wonder if you're going to pay the rest of the campaigners for their advertizing this week or if I'm the only one who advertized for free.

You are officially ban from any of contest.


I think you two forgot, we are paying for a service, not the other way around. We made a simple policy that Sed couldn't follow, doesn't really get anymore simpler than that.


This is our last signature campaign week, you all can blame Sed, we are going to just use traditional ads, we were enjoying this until the trolls showed up. Gweedo will be making an announcement tomorrow as he is really the one that pulled the plug on this!

I have the right to reply if you keep addressing me.  Sorry, but you keep bringing me up and accusing me, so I have the right to respond.  I'm not sure you know what "off-topic" means.  The topic of this thread is your signature campaign.  I'm discussing the details of your "policy" with respect to unpaid posts for your signature ad campaign---what could be more on-topic?


You suggest I am posting false information?  What have I said that is false?

You say you regret paying me anything?  That is indeed shocking.  We had a contract, you fulfilled it during the first week.  Now you say you wish you hadn't fulfilled the contract?  It's really a surprising stance, I think.  I wish you and your investors good luck, but I think your attitude towards contractors is disconcerting.


What are you talking about here?  EDIT: oh I think you're referring to the flame war thread I started for you (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7978900).  I apologized if I mischaracterized your colorful epithets.  I do think I captured the spirit of your commentary, though.  Do you disagree?

Stop talking this thread, you can pm people your replies, you are completely off-topic. Our investors have taken my side, you are not getting paid, and we regret paying you anything. Now leave this thread and go post your false information somewhere else.


By the way we never used the term "you suck". But keep making up stuff.

Replying to poeEDgar's question is not off-topic.  I think that there's a reason that people want to clarify what happened to me.

You keep threatening me with "the mods".  It's really not a scary threat.  I'm doing my best to interact professionally.  If the "mods" decide I'm in the wrong, I can deal with that.

Honestly, I'm sorry that we weren't able to communicate better.  I personally think it's a shame that you decided to go the "hard-line" approach with your policy rather than taking a moment to evaluate whether it was fair to refuse to pay people for advertizing for your site.  I really would have thought you would have been a little less rash given your otherwise thoughtful approach to this campaign.

For other people it will be very obvious that you don't pay for certain posts, and they'll have that knowledge going in so they won't be surprised.  For me, I was surprised and I consider it a breach of good faith/trust.  I think it's fair to discuss that in public since this is a public campaign.

We are not paying you end of story, you didn't follow the policy can you now leave this thread. You are just off-topic, and the mods will start cleaning this thread after you leave.

poeEDgar,  I hope I can clarify.  I was paid at post 195 and I was expected to send a pm to "reenroll".  I didn't know this so I began posting.  I later dropped a message in this thread to say I was of course continuing and was told my starting post for the week would be 202.  I disagreed because I had kept the advertiziment on the whole time and had posted approx 10 times since he was "reconfirming" me.  This is the crux of the disagreement.  I removed myself from the campaign and left negative feedback for 0.006BTC (payment for the 10 posts).  That really got him into gear and how he's accussing me of "scamming" and of "whining" and other things (which I wouldn't exactly call "extremely professsional" but everyone has their own opinions about that).

I also sent him a pm to try to discuss in private but he just says he's convinced I'm trying to scam him now.  So I guess that's what's going on.  Somehow this amounts to me "extorting" him.  I also opened a flame war thread for him in case it helps him blow off some steam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705946.new#new) but he hasn't taken advantage of that yet.

Finally, I can addres this:


That is exactly the crux of my issue.  I was not paid for advertizing for him from Thursday to Tuesday because I was "unconfirmed". When he did reconfirm me, he did so at my post count on Tuesday afternoon rather than my post count as of Thursday night.  So from Thursday to Tuesday was unpaid advertizing and this is why I left the campaign.

He is extorting and trying get us to paid for something he is not entitled to, that is called scamming to us and our investors. We have been extremely professional.

The reconfirmation is just sending a pm back to us when we pm you, that you wish to continue with us. We have limited spaces and this is how we can know if we can add more people. Many people want to be part of our campaign so this is how try to fit them in.

Actually you paid me for 24 out of 25 posts that I made that week.  I'm not sure what the issue was with the 25th post but this is not relevant to the problem.  I don't see how paying me for 24 out of 25 posts and saying "you were one of the best posters" is somehow overpaying me.  I'd say that you paid me the right amount and I don't have any problem with this.


What's dishonest is that you don't want to pay for posts made with your advertizment during the time while we wait to be "reconfirmed".  Again, no other sig campaign does this.  As for leaving, I've already done so.  As for business, I find it quite relevant to business that you have this "policy" to not pay for certain posts each week.


You keep bringing this up about being "extremely easy", etc.  I don't have a problem with your "easiness".  I don't really even understand what you're getting at.  You paid me exactly correctly for the first week and there's no issue there.  My issue is that you don't want to pay me for advertizment in the second week.  As for anger, I don't have anger, I have a valid claim.  I'm sorta sad that you would rather deal with all of this accusation and feedback and whatnot rather than just reconsider a strange policy, but it's your business.  My business is simply to request payment for work completed.


I'd be happy to hear what mods say about this.  I'm obviously not trolling if I keep having to reply to your accusations about me and motivations.  If you stop bringing me up in this thread, I'll stop replying.  Let's talk to the adults, maybe they'll help you calm down and think about things more clearly, idk.

Actually both of you guys can leave each other all of the negative feedback you want.  No one will see it until one of you gets into the default trust ring aaaaaaand, that's looking pretty unlikely for either of you at the moment.

Anyway, I'm not involved in this campaign but it does seem like fastbluff's policy is pretty wack, I haven't seen any other campaigns doing this.  But sed going directly to negative feedback also seems extreme.  Why don't you guys both forgive each other and walk away with clean reps?

First off to be one of the best posters, you had to make at least 30 post that were considered constructive, but we paid for the full 50 post no matter what they were, to overcome any trust issues of not paying.

We are dishonest because we wanted people to reconfirmed as this is a weekly campaign, and we want to open up more spots for more people that will be doing us a service. I am sorry you are angry at the way things are done here, but these are our policies, if you don't agree please leave. As this is a thread for business, not whining because you were away.

We were extremely easy on the rules in the beginning and I am surprised that a person would even be angry at making money they didn't earn.

If you post in this thread again we will report to the mods as now this is off topic and you are trolling.

I am not spamming your thread.  I am replying publically to accusations which you are making about me publically.  If you don't want me to respond, then stop accusing.

From your PM to me:


So, by "you performed as one of the best posters" I guess I'm suppose to understand something about overpaying for unconstructive posts?!

It's obvious to anyone who is reading this thread that I am not "scamming".  I made 10 posts with your signature this week and you say you will not pay because I didn't get "reconfirmed".  I consider this to be a terribly dishonest system, one that's meant to steal a few free posts each week.  No other campaign does this.  Obviously your campaign is new, you could have just said "ok, you're right, that's not fair to have you advertizing for us without us paying.  Let's change the system."  Instead you are playing hard-ass with your system and I have left feedback accordingly.

Good luck in your future.

You are trying to scam us, as we over paid you for unconstructive post to show good faith and now you are not following the policy and accused us of scamming. I am sorry but this is called scamming in my books. Now please stop spamming our thread.