Topic: F*CK democracy (Read 360 times)

I think that at the moment nothing will change from our choice (I mean the official elections), because this is all just a performance for the people, the government, in any case, is ruled by the elites, and it doesn't matter what will be officially - democracy or whatever .

True, but at least your future amd well being doesn't depend on the trust system. It would have to be like that downvote from one of the episodes of Black Mirror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrpK90bHO2U


It's just one of the problems. IMO the biggest one is that questions are being directed towards people who cannot possibly have an naswer.

It goes like this. There's an MP candidate who used to be a plumber. He wants to do some good for the working people and they vote for him. He gets a chair and it's time to vote on a number of problems and the plumber is asked for his opinion on agriculture, space exploration, finances and budget allocation, things he doesn't know, but he has to vote, so he votes the way they tell him to. One guy persuades him with arguments, another with money and the result is all the same as if there was a butcher sitting there instaed of that plumber.

Juries repeal laws that they don't like. But generally this is a local repeal, and it is mostly a case-by-case thing. In other words, governments don't create new laws that affect juries.

Juries were around from before the United States Government was formed... long before Karl Lentz. And the 9th Amendment upholds that all the rights we had before the U.S was formed, are available to us today. So, why do you bring Karl into it? If Karl speaks the truth about juries, why not follow what he says? After all, if its the truth, why not use it.

All you are doing is remaining ignorant to the freedom we have. Or worse, you are trying to turn the country away from a common law land into a civil law land. Forget it. There are too many people using the jury and common law to make things happen, right now, even in Britain.

try to learn what the term means.
then try to learn what happens in a country
then try to learn these things but not by modern media's interpretation.
..
then....
realise
realise that its not democracy or meritocracy or any other form of government setup that causes the politicians to betray each other or the state or the people.

there are greedy people in any system. heck even drug dealers working the streets have no political connections yet they are betraying each other and the people and the state.
even in family feuds family members can do it too.

democracy is not to blame.
however democracy could actually do more than just a single 4-5 year vote. democracy should be more of a daily thing not a bi-decade thing


juries dont create new laws that affect the government

senators getting swayed by high paying investors do
its really time you take karl lentz off your youtube favourites list. he is teaching you many bad habits and mis-information. glamourised with buzzwords to fake that it seems realistic.
try to go beyond karl lentz. dont become a cult follower of his
(and dont deny you follow him yet then quote him afterwards as if its an independant opinion..)
(you are not yet capable of independant thought to pretend you have learned something real and not spoonfed.. but try)

Which is still more than 95% of the rest of the world's population gets. I suggest you visiting any 3rd world country just to get a glimpse of what life could've been for you. Please, have some gratitude, that's what americans definitely lack

But we can use the jury democracy to overrule the big government dictatorship form of democracy when necessary.

If not democracy, what then?

Actually, democracy is not a bad thing it is also good because the leaders accept a suggestion by his members, well that is what we called as leadership, in a way that his fellow members can correct him. Still, for sure, it has a disadvantage as well; having a form of democratic government can cause into so many problems. There are so many demands of the people in a way that the leaders won't decide which is better and it can be caused by a misleading agreement. It is way better if the leader is the only responsible for their own country, they should be the ones that will make action to make their land better. We voted him as a leader, so we should also trust him on his plans and activities. He won't do anything that will cause bad in his own country.

Indeed, even many people hate having a form of democratic government, it is somehow good as well, being an intelligent person is very important thing as a leader, they should be intelligent enough to decide and make a plans for a better country. I salute Miriam Defensor for being an intelligent leader and a good leader, she has the ability to hook up the attention of many people because he is also a talented demagogue.

As a libertarian I understand that democracy can't be the perfect form of government. But as a realist I suppose it isn't the worst one. And we can't get rid of democracy.

You're welcome... about your opinion, I mean.

Don't get rid of a democracy. Rather, give the people complete freedom except if they hurt someone. Then use a small democracy, in the jury of 12, to determine if the joker is guilty, and even his punishment if they want. Do this to take the democracy out of the hands of the few in government who use it like a dictatorship.

This is the way the USA government is set up at its core. Politicians have to keep this hidden from the people, or the people would turn on them and have them executed if they ever found out.

jes ordinary americans can enjoy their 50+-1% outcomes

The way things work in the US is flawed, but ordinary folks still got much power (though they're easily manipulated, which we can clearly see lately). Any democracy is still better than tyranny, that's a life lesson I've learned first hand

the problem about democracy is that the politicians for personal reasons betray each other and the state

Sounds a lot like the forum trust system.

https://www.answers.com/Q/Who_said_democracy_is_the_worst_form_of_government

britain is also a dictorship

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there is also something else that limits democracy which many of those EU hating european nazi states should remember -> money,

no one wants the money of a democracy, because everyone can get it.

regards

Do you prefer the Russian democracy, where people vote, but the members of the voting committees vote as well (more than once)?
Democracy has always been a joke because how can you ask some drunkard or someone who can barely read to decide on the future of a country? Assuming that most people are lazy and unintelligent, you just have to persuade thosse bums and morons to vote for you and you'll win.

Thanks for adding something about my opinion I really appreciate that you challenged my opinion. With that said, I forgot to add that we should add a strict ruling about that thing with voting. We can't simply remove the other 49% of the losing side because that's not how true democracy works. If only country true freedom for their people then democracy could really give way for improvement. I think of all other ideologies this one is much better.

Democracy, if it is alone, absolutely is a BAD thing for large nations. Why? Here's why.

The majority of 51% (or more) wins, thereby making slaves of the minority 49% (or less). Then, in a larger nation, the majority quarrels among itself about how to implement its desires. When it sees that it can't agree, it gives the implementation process over to a small group. The small group never implements what the majority wanted, so the Democracy becomes a Dictatorship by a small group. The small group might need a smart person to implement its desires, so it chooses ONE, who becomes dictator over the whole nation.

Most of the time, the people can't even see how the ONE joker is dictator. And it often doesn't happen exactly as I outlined. But it happens... for one major reason.

The people are too stupid to get rid of the Democracy, and stand up for libertarian freedom. Libertarian freedom is where everybody - each person - is free to do anything he wants, as long as he doesn't harm anybody else. What are the ways that a person can harm another person? There are only two. Damaging the property of another person, or steal the property.

What is a person's property? The list can be long, but here is what covers it... a person's body, a person's mind, anything else that a person owns, rights in a contract. That's basically it.


In the USA, there is a simple court process for any man or woman to be a libertarian and to get other people and government out of their property, so they can be free. It's standing as a man/woman in court, unrepresented by anyone (not even their own self) but rather present, and requiring the accuser to get on the stand and show/express how they were damaged by the accused. If necessary - because of an unjust judge - a trial by jury. If necessary, a Feral District Court trial (as opposed to a United States District Court trial), which gets the judge out of the judgment process entirely (he is referee only).

Democracy is actually not a bad thing, the etymology of the word came from demos meaning people and kratos which means power, in short it means the power of the mass. We are not just utilizing this form of government, we are following the trend, we are afraid that we will have a different way of thinking, we let ourselves be caged by our anxiety that if we fight for the right we will become outcasts. One good of example about the beauty of democracy is the book 1984 and the Animal Farm both written by George Orwell, it portrays the life of people when they don't even try to fight the system. We are in control of what will happen in our country, we are just hindered by people who can talk their way into getting what they want.

What V said in the movie V for Vendetta pretty much sums up what democracy is. "People should not be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of their people."


For links of the book:
1984 by George Orwell: https://b-ok.cc/book/843816/9ee07c

Animal Farm: https://b-ok.cc/book/1638245/831f10