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Topic: Feed the Children Charity Bong Raffle, Poor judgement, User should be Banned - page 2. (Read 2930 times)

legendary
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Notice how your statement doesn't include any words about him being a deceptive fraud, serial liar, fantasist? He hasn't provided any proof that he isn't any of those things after people strongly suspected he was. How else could this case or any other be resolved? If I claim to be Tim Cook selling genuine discounted iPhones and they look like defective, shoddy fakes and I refuse to show a close up video of them working what does that say? Oh, well he must be innocent and really is a world-famous multi-millionaire. Please. There is good evidence and strong doubt against his claims so what can we assume from that? We can only assume he is guilty until he proves otherwise. The fact that he hasn't provided any proof is a very strong indication of guilt. Someone accuses them of something with good reason to and they have to prove otherwise. Isn't that how trials work anyway?  How else do you think this case should be handled to prove his wrongdoing? Do you expect someone to buy a coin so it can be sent of for forensic analysis and then maybe try get a subpoena to raid his 'workshop' to look for evidence before we can say he is guilty? No, don't be ridiculous. He's lasering coins and passing them off as hand-carved and until I see proof of his amazing world-famous carving skills then I'm calling colossal bullshit.

WoodCollector may not have taken any money and not provided them with something so there has been no theft, but he's still a dishonest person as he has lied continually and the buyers did not get what they thought they paid for regardless of whether they were happy or not so he's still scamming people selling items fraudulently which is worthy of appropriate feedback.

P.S. Why are you checking my profile? Obsessed much. I just think it's ridiculously hilarious as much as it is and embarrassingly pathetic, much like I find your entire presence to be now.

...the final straw for me was the charity raffle we got word about because that's fucked up.

The raffle didn't sell anything but 2 tickets. He delivered the water pipe to  Protokol. What exactly is the scam here? As far as this invading other areas of the forum, I suggest you double check who is responsible for that. This thread itself is one of those instances. This is just a continuation of the previous shit slinging.

I think they may be asking for proof that he sent the money to charity, but this should be the least of everyone's concern but WC brought this type of action himself.

Your refractory tone tells me two things.

1. You have no arguments so you have to use my own and turn them back around on me and accuse me of exactly what I accuse you of (a very stale manipulation technique)

2. You are very clearly obsessed with getting some kind of retribution against me for whatever reason, because at every possible turn you make this discussion to being about me again (off topic, but who is going to stop you, you are staff right?)

This is highly inappropriate behavior for staff (or any adult for that matter).

Trials do not consist of a mob of people slinging accusations and harassing the defendant. There was no due process. Accusations were made, a mob rallied to harass anyone who disagreed, and simply because the timetable for releasing video for the impatient drama hungry mob was not met, therefore you and your ilk feel you have the right to continue harassing this man and anyone who supports him. Making a conclusion is not equivalent to evidence, and lack of your unreasonably high standard and time table for evidence is not equivalent to guilt. No, this is not at all how trials work. If it was you would be living in North Korea, not the UK.

As far as the charity, for one he didn't sell 20 tickets. The agreement I see posted says if he sells 20 tickets then he will pick a winner and donate 50% of the proceeds. 20 tickets were never sold for one, but he decided to be generous and give the water pipe to one of the two ticket buyers anyway when he could have just refunded the money. The total received would then be 0.2 BTC, none of which I think could be called proceeds, because clearly this would not even cover his costs. For the sake of argument lets say he should donate that 50% of "proceeds". That's 0.1 BTC. What a master thief he is stealing $21.50 from charities at a loss to himself! It was the perfect crime! By all means, please keep engaging in idiotic witch hunts against this user, it only demonstrates how thirsty you are for drama and retribution without any sort of due process. Don't let facts stop your pursuit of harassment and self gratification.
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...you think the accusations against him are baseless as he has yet to provide any proof to counter the claims...

Notice how your statement doesn't include any words about proof of him being a scammer. At least you identify it for exactly what it is, only accusations and claims. Since when does this forum operate on a premise of guilty until proven innocent? I know you would LOVE to make this about me, but it is not. Try to stay on topic (if you can control yourself that is). This thread exists for one reason only, to create more trolling.


P.S. That is a cute little quote from me in your profile. Obsessed much?

Notice how your statement doesn't include any words about him being a deceptive fraud, serial liar, fantasist? He hasn't provided any proof that he isn't any of those things after people strongly suspected he was. How else could this case or any other be resolved? If I claim to be Tim Cook selling genuine discounted iPhones and they look like defective, shoddy fakes and I refuse to show a close up video of them working what does that say? Oh, well he must be innocent and really is a world-famous multi-millionaire. Please. There is good evidence and strong doubt against his claims so what can we assume from that? We can only assume he is guilty until he proves otherwise. The fact that he hasn't provided any proof is a very strong indication of guilt. Someone accuses them of something with good reason to and they have to prove otherwise. Isn't that how trials work anyway?  How else do you think this case should be handled to prove his wrongdoing? Do you expect someone to buy a coin so it can be sent of for forensic analysis and then maybe try get a subpoena to raid his 'workshop' to look for evidence before we can say he is guilty? No, don't be ridiculous. He's lasering coins and passing them off as hand-carved and until I see proof of his amazing world-famous carving skills then I'm calling colossal bullshit.

WoodCollector may not have taken any money and not provided them with something so there has been no theft, but he's still a dishonest person as he has lied continually and the buyers did not get what they thought they paid for regardless of whether they were happy or not so he's still scamming people selling items fraudulently which is worthy of appropriate feedback.

P.S. Why are you checking my profile? Obsessed much. I just think it's ridiculously hilarious as much as it is and embarrassingly pathetic, much like I find your entire presence to be now.

...the final straw for me was the charity raffle we got word about because that's fucked up.

The raffle didn't sell anything but 2 tickets. He delivered the water pipe to  Protokol. What exactly is the scam here? As far as this invading other areas of the forum, I suggest you double check who is responsible for that. This thread itself is one of those instances. This is just a continuation of the previous shit slinging.

I think they may be asking for proof that he sent the money to charity, but this should be the least of everyone's concern but WC brought this type of action himself.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
...the final straw for me was the charity raffle we got word about because that's fucked up.

The raffle didn't sell anything but 2 tickets. He delivered the water pipe to  Protokol. What exactly is the scam here? As far as this invading other areas of the forum, I suggest you double check who is responsible for that. This thread itself is one of those instances. This is just a continuation of the previous shit slinging.

Quote from Protokol in Woodcollectors trust ratings: "I won a raffle for a lovely waterpipe - WoodCollector was very professional and his customer service was great. Unfortunately the item was damaged in customs, but he offered to repair it. I repaired it myself in the end, after he gave some detailed advice on how to do it. Very trustworthy and talented vendor."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10403053
legendary
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I've been pretty patient with WoodCollector so far but with his more recent behaviour even I'm getting tired of him and he acts shady as fuck, it also makes life a lot more difficult for people here who are legitimate that are trying to get started. When some newbie comes along claiming to be a master craftsmen and starts ripping people off everyone gets ultra paranoid and it has a negative affect on the rest of us because they're less willing to buy and it also drives away any potential newbies too that might want to buy something off the marketplace because the angry, aggressive spam from WoodCollector and the scam accusations is the first thing they see.

To begin with this should have all been contained in scam accusations but because people just couldn't shut the fuck up and ended up flaming over it and now it's spilled over to all sections of the forum, it's one thing to simply scam people or rip them off on a business deal but the final straw for me was the charity raffle we got word about because that's fucked up.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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...you think the accusations against him are baseless as he has yet to provide any proof to counter the claims...

Notice how your statement doesn't include any words about proof of him being a scammer. At least you identify it for exactly what it is, only accusations and claims. Since when does this forum operate on a premise of guilty until proven innocent? I know you would LOVE to make this about me, but it is not. Try to stay on topic (if you can control yourself that is). This thread exists for one reason only, to create more trolling.


P.S. That is a cute little quote from me in your profile. Obsessed much?
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It'll probably go on for as a while as WoodCollector seems to want to 'troll' now and keep up the facade with more lies, but I agree people should just move on unless he provides any more videos which I doubt he will do (at least satisfactory ones).

Yes, what a troll he is for defending himself against the baseless speculation of mobs of children who think they are in charge here. I mean really, look at this thread and tell me you really believe its sole purpose was not to troll and harass. What a troll he is!

He's already admitted he's now just trolling, though this is obviously just an excuse to try claim back some ego points. You are quite clearly delusional if you think the accusations against him are baseless as he has yet to provide any proof to counter the claims, but obviously this doesn't suit your agenda and are supporting him because you've found a sole ally in your quest to discredit the trust system and those that actually help prevent scams and scammers and not actually support and defend them like you're doing.
legendary
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It'll probably go on for as a while as WoodCollector seems to want to 'troll' now and keep up the facade with more lies, but I agree people should just move on unless he provides any more videos which I doubt he will do (at least satisfactory ones).

Yes, what a troll he is for defending himself against the baseless speculation of mobs of children who think they are in charge here. I mean really, look at this thread and tell me you really believe its sole purpose was not to troll and harass. What a troll he is!

"baseless speculation" - how do you define that?

"mob" - you mean the people who just disagree with the claims of WC? Oh that is called opposition.

No it isn't that I think I am in charge here. I simply call things as I see it. If you can't handle that...then of course cry on!

Are you related to WC in some way? Are you friends in real life? You appear to have a bias of more than just a friend on the internet. You appear to be somewhat closer than just knowing him/her on the internet.

legendary
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It'll probably go on for as a while as WoodCollector seems to want to 'troll' now and keep up the facade with more lies, but I agree people should just move on unless he provides any more videos which I doubt he will do (at least satisfactory ones).

Yes, what a troll he is for defending himself against the baseless speculation of mobs of children who think they are in charge here. I mean really, look at this thread and tell me you really believe its sole purpose was not to troll and harass. What a troll he is!
legendary
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Once they have been labeled as a scammer ....They should not be about to post in any marketplaces....HuhHuhHuh?  A no Scammer Zone...

It's a noble thought, but a more realistic way of saying this would be, we should force all scammers to make a new account in order to post in the marketplace, thus guaranteeing their past behavior would be hidden.


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holy fuck I haven't seen someone with that many negative ratings since Tradefortress lol

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legendary
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The forum doesn't ban scammers, it only neg reps them. People will only get banned if they break forum rules.

WoodCollector could easily clear this up by posting a video of him hand carving a wooden bitcoin with a design as complicated as the others that he have made. The other video that he uploaded of him carving the bitcoin logo into wood wasn't as complicated as his other designs, and also wasn't satisfying.
It is really disappointing that if you are scammer and people will prove that you indeed are a scammer you are free to go. I just do not get it... You will be banned for posting too many posts at once and you won't for stealing money from people? Something is not right

Not 100% of the forum is used to exchange goods/services for payment. So banning them makes little sense.

Plus any banned users could always create a new account and scam under that new one.

No point in banning scammers.

Once they have been labeled as a scammer ....They should not be about to post in any marketplaces....HuhHuhHuh?  A no Scammer Zone...

Nice idea.

But who ultimately decides who gets their posting privileges taken away from the marketplace forum?

If it is soley based in negative feedback then that can be abused if someone wanted to have another user banned from posting in that section by simply giving random negative feedback to any user.
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legendary
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The forum doesn't ban scammers, it only neg reps them. People will only get banned if they break forum rules.

WoodCollector could easily clear this up by posting a video of him hand carving a wooden bitcoin with a design as complicated as the others that he have made. The other video that he uploaded of him carving the bitcoin logo into wood wasn't as complicated as his other designs, and also wasn't satisfying.
It is really disappointing that if you are scammer and people will prove that you indeed are a scammer you are free to go. I just do not get it... You will be banned for posting too many posts at once and you won't for stealing money from people? Something is not right

Not 100% of the forum is used to exchange goods/services for payment. So banning them makes little sense.

Plus any banned users could always create a new account and scam under that new one.

No point in banning scammers.

Once they have been labeled as a scammer ....They should not be about to post in any marketplaces....HuhHuhHuh?  A no Scammer Zone...
legendary
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The forum doesn't ban scammers, it only neg reps them. People will only get banned if they break forum rules.

WoodCollector could easily clear this up by posting a video of him hand carving a wooden bitcoin with a design as complicated as the others that he have made. The other video that he uploaded of him carving the bitcoin logo into wood wasn't as complicated as his other designs, and also wasn't satisfying.
It is really disappointing that if you are scammer and people will prove that you indeed are a scammer you are free to go. I just do not get it... You will be banned for posting too many posts at once and you won't for stealing money from people? Something is not right

The forum admin are in no position to remove someone from using the forum.

Not 100% of the forum is used to exchange goods/services for payment. So banning them makes little sense.

Plus any banned users could always create a new account and scam under that new one.

No point in banning scammers.

I agree, the best way to deal with scammers is to neg rep them so others won't fall for the scams, as admins won't ban them
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
The forum doesn't ban scammers, it only neg reps them. People will only get banned if they break forum rules.

WoodCollector could easily clear this up by posting a video of him hand carving a wooden bitcoin with a design as complicated as the others that he have made. The other video that he uploaded of him carving the bitcoin logo into wood wasn't as complicated as his other designs, and also wasn't satisfying.
It is really disappointing that if you are scammer and people will prove that you indeed are a scammer you are free to go. I just do not get it... You will be banned for posting too many posts at once and you won't for stealing money from people? Something is not right

Not 100% of the forum is used to exchange goods/services for payment. So banning them makes little sense.

Plus any banned users could always create a new account and scam under that new one.

No point in banning scammers.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1004
The forum doesn't ban scammers, it only neg reps them. People will only get banned if they break forum rules.

WoodCollector could easily clear this up by posting a video of him hand carving a wooden bitcoin with a design as complicated as the others that he have made. The other video that he uploaded of him carving the bitcoin logo into wood wasn't as complicated as his other designs, and also wasn't satisfying.
It is really disappointing that if you are scammer and people will prove that you indeed are a scammer you are free to go. I just do not get it... You will be banned for posting too many posts at once and you won't for stealing money from people? Something is not right
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
The forum doesn't ban scammers, it only neg reps them. People will only get banned if they break forum rules.

WoodCollector could easily clear this up by posting a video of him hand carving a wooden bitcoin with a design as complicated as the others that he have made. The other video that he uploaded of him carving the bitcoin logo into wood wasn't as complicated as his other designs, and also wasn't satisfying.
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It'll probably go on for as a while as WoodCollector seems to want to 'troll' now and keep up the facade with more lies, but I agree people should just move on unless he provides any more videos which I doubt he will do (at least satisfactory ones).
Then everyone should stop feeding the trolls
legendary
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With the way he's been acting I've been more convinced by the other side, shame really because as others have said it's not the product itself but the way he's trying to represent it to get more money out of people.
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It'll probably go on for as a while as WoodCollector seems to want to 'troll' now and keep up the facade with more lies, but I agree people should just move on unless he provides any more videos which I doubt he will do (at least satisfactory ones).
copper member
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The WC scam drama has gone on for much too long. Can we not just come to the conclusion that this guy is not going to admit defeat and agree to disagree on if he was actually scamming (there would be no reason to remove any negative feedback this guy has gotten)
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