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Topic: Fiat Banks Conspiracy Against Customers. Bitcoin is the Best Option (Read 889 times)

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Once governments themselves become decentralized, or at least something similar to it, we will never have to worry about banks or other institutions having an unfair and unjustified advantage over us in the form of arbitrary government-dictated regulation. If the people will want to have banks, they will have banks. If they do not want banks, they will not have banks. There will be no more "you need to have banks, whether you want or not". Bitcoin is the very first form of the new democracy, a true democracy. I believe this will definitely evolve into other areas other than finance in the future. Especially politics.

People will always prefer banks on top of crypto, because they're backed by the full faith and credit of the government. The public doesn't care about the negative effects of centralization as long as they get convenience in return. You can spend Fiat anywhere you want, but you can't do the same with crypto. Despite Bitcoin's ever-growing success, it's still relatively new to the world. What "kills" it is the volatile market prices. At least, people have an escape route from the traditional banking system. As long as decentralization prevails, we won't have to worry about banks taking over the world ever again. Just my opinion Smiley
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This is what I love about the bitcoin space, because here I don't find the same thing as what we experienced when we came to Bank. Things like this are what we need, simple, don't waste a lot of time in the transaction process, and we don't even need to move from our seats.
I've had things like the OP's experience so many times, I don't even do anything in an emergency. This is detrimental to us, in addition to wasting time, our energy is also wasted. What used to be able to do something more important, it must be wasted time on useless things.
Bitcoin have provided us with better alternative to fiat currency and at that since the global cashless society began amidst the global warning and high inflation rate, POS as a digital agent have become so relevant and have provided urgent financial services and lately I have read about one that accept Bitcoin in exchange to local Nigeria currency and this is a great move and financial transactions are becoming more simple and easy to do lately as technology keep advancing a lot of alternative to banks are coming up.
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In Nigeria, just as there are people offering bitcoin P2P services, there are also mobile money agents to mitigate these lapses. In our local parlance they are called "POS business". Furthermore, these operators in my opinion, are efficient and reliable -  they operate late into the night and are first to open shops to render their financial services. In addition, they are situated all over the place. One may not need to board a cab to get to them. I can hypothetically say that the ratio of mobile money operators to the population is 5:1.


Truth be told before the introduction of mobile money agents otherwise known as POS operators, it was very difficult for most of the people in Nigeria to make cash withdrawals without experiencing one problem or the other with the bank or probably network challenges. Since the arrival of bank agents, millions of people have lost their lives as a result of thieves trying to rob them of their funds after withdrawals so despite having pos operators all over the places to reduce the banking stress, the challenge of risk and lost of lives and funds which is one of the disadvantages of fiat currency has always be there. With bitcoin, you can't experience all these problems unless you expose your funds to thieves or scammers, of course we know that P2P transaction is faster, easier and more reliable than bank transactions.


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This is what I love about the bitcoin space, because here I don't find the same thing as what we experienced when we came to Bank. Things like this are what we need, simple, don't waste a lot of time in the transaction process, and we don't even need to move from our seats.
I've had things like the OP's experience so many times, I don't even do anything in an emergency. This is detrimental to us, in addition to wasting time, our energy is also wasted. What used to be able to do something more important, it must be wasted time on useless things.
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I don't believe it is appropriate when we try to characterize banking institutions that have been serving us poorly in our attempt to make bitcoin seem like the sole savior of our economic and financial world. I am aware of the flaws that financial institutions have, which I do not hesitate to bring out when necessary, but portraying bitcoin as a flawless substitute bothers me. In Nigeria, just as there are people offering bitcoin P2P services, there are also mobile money agents to mitigate these lapses. In our local parlance they are called "POS business". Furthermore, these operators in my opinion, are efficient and reliable -  they operate late into the night and are first to open shops to render their financial services. In addition, they are situated all over the place. One may not need to board a cab to get to them. I can hypothetically say that the ratio of the mobile money operators to the population is 5:1.
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This has been happening all over the world. But it seems things are getting even worse today with prices increasing big time while fiat is losing so much value in just a short time. And so people need to take out savings to support their needs or to even save them from further losing value. The problem is that banks are losing liquidity in the process. And to also save their existence, account or withdrawal freezing is implemented everywhere.

This makes me feel like we're at the worst of economic times. In fact even Bitcoin, the best alternative right now, is not doing well. People seem to need more money than ever.
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Necessary is the mother of invention, and that's true fact. If you don't face this kind of situations, you won't be able to find the difficulty they have with the bank system.
Also the facts about banks controlled by government is true. Some days ago many banks have gone bankrupt in my country due to the global crisis.
They have declined to withdraw money which is not theirs. And yet people still think banks are better than BTC or Crypto. They will learn eventually one day.
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However, let's get back to the actual topic: banks are private businesses. They have a predatory mentality and will go for their sole interest if they're allowed.
Since politics is slow and tricky solution, Bitcoin remains the proper option, clearly.

And I was just thinking... Africa also has smart people, Africa must also have smart programmers; while people don't tell their nationality in most cases, I have a feeling Africa is under-represented as developers for bitcoin tools. Am I wrong?

Even though Banks are own by individuals, Banks are capable of providing customer friendly services, there are some time you visit banks and see the crowd all over every corner of the banking hall and when you see the cashiers and customer service attendance, they are just few, sometimes either two  or third that are attending to more than two or three hundred customers. That made me to make on a research in my school days. And I found out that, They are using that method to reduce cost. They don't want to buy more machines and employ workers to dispatch the crowd. Now they have extended this method to ATM machine. The new approach is that, if you want to withdraw cash in the banking hall, they won't allow you to withdraw you own money if it is below $80 to $100. Instead they would referred you to their ATM Machine to do that, so that they can charged you from sms fees, card maintenance fees of $1 to $2. And that making the ATM point more crowded.

Now the worst of it all. ATM is no longer 24/7 hours. The closest ATM point in my locality closes 8pm and reopens 8am. The reason is best known to them.
I said it before and will continue to say it. I like what Bitcoin stands for and will always be pro-Bitcoin but this does not mean we should not trash the banks that have saved us all the while even though we know they have flaws.
When we didn't have the ATMs it was a problem when the banks close, we have to wait till the next day for you to be able to do cash transactions, now the ATMs have been provided but people that want to withdraw $100 or below want to queue with people that want to withdraw $1000 and above in the banking hall  Lips sealed
I personally cannot remember going to the bank in a number of years because of the ease of online transactions and POS units, I guess we are all different. I know some of us see all negative about the small fees by the banks but we also seem to forget how people also in this forum complain about crypto transaction fees, I guess we all want these services for free.  Grin


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This is the condition in most of the countries. Banks know how to exploit and even manipulate when required. I have also noticed that they do not disclose the whole term & conditions while availing for their any service and make people suffer.
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bitcoin is indeed the right choice to overcome the problems you mentioned above because with bitcoin we can control our own assets safely and many more advantages of bitcoin that you may already know. and about the bank problems you are experiencing, from my experience not all banks are like that, in my country banks really serve well even to remote areas, so in my opinion what should really be changed is the government or the bank owner, so that they can try to improve their services properly, because in my personal opinion it is not a bank or bitcoin problem but the honesty of humans who are experts or manage these fields.
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Hihihi, and that's what OP's doing.
Quit ironic, his previous message just before this one looks like this:

My suggestion is that, if your country has banned bitcoin and you are interested to use bitcoin, it is very simple. Just go to Binance, Remitano or any other web or app that vendors are buying and selling BTC.

Unfortunately, he is not the only one, many criticize banks, and at the same time support crypto banks, which are far behind traditional banks in terms of securing the user's funds, at least when the insurance of savings deposits by the state is in question. I hope that some of those who think in the wrong way, at least on this forum, will be directed to the right path.




After I've answered honestly believing your story, I find out now that all this is most probably fabricated using images from 2020 and the pandemic??
See: False Info : Fiat Banks Conspiracy Against Customers. Bitcoin is the Best Option

What you say about this?

Nice catch - I thought I'd seen those pics somewhere too, but didn't bother to find them. It seems that the OP made up the story, which is really sad considering that he was one of the members who showed potential.

According to a saying, "what happened to someone does not affect others" and also "experience is the best teacher". The images presented the banks I went to withdraw the cash. They are models to the banks. I still insist very strongly that the story which I presented here yesterday was real. Those who are saying that ATM opens before 8:am should come to my locality and see by yourself. I will not argue with you.

NeuroticFish I have never and will never fabricate story. If because of the pictures you said the story is fake. The images are models to the information.
I understand your argument for Bitcoin and support that too but why then didn't you just take the actual picture of the day you had the incident in the Bank instead of referencing the pictures that were not? You do realize that the pictures were the cause of the argument and that you were just trying to tell us a story we already know about Nigerian Bank and also not to say that some ATMs don't work 24/7 as you also claimed yourself, "what happened to someone does not affect others" your area might be so and other areas might not be, so you can't generalize.




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This is the true reflection of what is happening here in my country there have been a lot of changes in the banking system and since after the covid, 19 lockdown banks have not resumed full operation so bank customers have resulted in the use f the services of POS agents who are also now part of the banking sector.
Recently I received an email from my bank that there will be cutting down on the banking operation time and customers should make use of their online Cash point services from recent statistics, banks make up to billions of profits from their pos operation and this has encouraged innovation in the mobile bank agents sector f the bank.
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I have never and will never fabricate story. If because of the pictures you said the story is fake. The images are models to the information.

The most problematic image have shown the queue of people waiting, which may or may not have been happening in your case.
However, I do hope you're telling the truth, at least in the text you wrote.

Next time, you better post your own images (nowadays everybody has a smartphone and it's not hard to make a few pictures if you really want to) or live without them, instead of using others' images which, as you've seen, may easily come with extra troubles (even if you are not lying, this can be seen as plagiarism now).

I have no issues here with the Information, we see and hear them day in the life, the thing is that currently in Nigeria, you rarely see such happening cause of the wide use of POS along the streets ( Point of Sale ), banks off course gets crowded but not that much, last time I did account upgrade at a bank it wasn't much of a hassle for man to accomplish, stuff's like the image tell happened or happens during festive and festival periods like Easter, Christmas and New Year's.  You'll see banks crying they're short of cash,but with  wide spread of POS this reduced than it used to be. People hardly visit the banks to get fund's since they can just do alongside the streets.

But then, so much alike with the same pics you brought up, good it's all cleared out now. And Africa and Nigeria! People are just scared of dead, I think this politician's needs brute force. Doing harm to the first 200 will chase others away from the country,  like-minded people everywhere but who will Bell the cat ? No body wants to die, everyone looking for means to leave the country, I ponder and wonder how they sleep at night, when they can't even fight for them rights.

Bitcoin is a good aid but we can't just leave the  fiat currencies real quick
legendary
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i think a few people are knitpicking wording..

from what i have read.
the OP made a post about banks where they state 24/7 E banking(wire transfers via the website) which got confused with using physical ATM for physical cash withdrawals being limited to bank opening hours

where ATM's also limit withdrawal amounts much like banks cashier/assistants also limit peoples ability to withdraw physical cash.

however bitcoin has no limitations like these.

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here in the UK i have seen ATM's limit withdrawal amounts and also not function 24/7 because they are machines inside the building of a bank, meaning you cant use the machine if its behind a door that only opens during business hours (same is true for some independant ATM's found in small convenience stores that only open during retail hours)

yes independent ATM's that you see randomly around town outside of buildings are different to the ones that are physically inside a building location.
but even the ones randomly located are also limited to withdrawal amounts. even if they are operational more 24/7(apart from maintenance/low cash available times)


we all think that fiat currency is "ours", where we should be allowed full access to as much as amount is supposedly "ours".. but here is the thing. it is not "ours".
yes we earn the value with our time/labour. but not the product that value is locked into. which then limits how much of the 'value' we then get
(same as not your key not your coin)

it is property of banks. it is their invention and their product, they allow us to use fiat at their discretion. they can recall bank notes, take bank notes out of circulation. change exchange rates. they can even use court orders to seize funds or lobby new laws to take balance/value/funds/cash away from us at their discretion

we, as users of fiat do not have discretion to barter with banks. they make it, they distribute it, whereby they set the terms to receive it back or hand it out.

yes we have been lulled into a sense of trust that its our money. and banks are servicing us.. but the factual truth is century ago. people put real value into banks in swaps for THEIR product(gold/silver standard promissory notes). and slowly over decades. we became complacent to use THEIR product for convenience. thus they gained control of our value until they decided to de-peg our value (gold standard de-peg) to be meaningless and then set up their own value system.

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however

bitcoin is not a currency made by any company or entity that owns the patent/control outright. btc once in our own keypair control, then the value associated to the keys belongs to us and its our sole discretion who we hand it to and barter with.
to take all of bitcoin out of circulation is next to impossible requiring destroying all blockchain copies of hundreds of thousands of nodes simultaneously and also making mining obsolete. aswell as stopping all development from simply using a milestoned backup copy saved hidden away to restart a halted network
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This is exactly the way that people find out that they need to abandon banks and adopt Bitcoin instead. Banks are a dying breed, just like VCRs or floppy disks. There is absolutely no more need for banks with cryptocurrency. Bitcoin can give people everything that Banks can give them. Except it does not charge hidden/any holding fees and nobody can freeze/take over your money with Bitcoin. This is true independence. True freedom.

How long until everyone in the world understands this?

Personally, I will never put more money in the bank than I plan to spend on the same day. And even then it feels disgusting to have to use these "middlemen" because not every shop has adopted cryptocurrency yet.

The day will come. Have patience and spread the word.

I don't think banks will ever die simply because they have governments' full support. They will simply create their own digital currencies to "compete" with Bitcoin. People will stay with Fiat even if they won't have full control over their money. If only Bitcoin had widespread merchant acceptance and price stability, things would've been different. The vast majority of businesses and merchants accept Fiat on top of Bitcoin, so there's that. At least, people have an escape route from the current monetary system controlled by central banks and governments worldwide. As long as decentralization prevails, it'll be possible to enjoy true financial freedom. Just my thoughts Grin

Once governments themselves become decentralized, or at least something similar to it, we will never have to worry about banks or other institutions having an unfair and unjustified advantage over us in the form of arbitrary government-dictated regulation. If the people will want to have banks, they will have banks. If they do not want banks, they will not have banks. There will be no more "you need to have banks, whether you want or not". Bitcoin is the very first form of the new democracy, a true democracy. I believe this will definitely evolve into other areas other than finance in the future. Especially politics.

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This is exactly the way that people find out that they need to abandon banks and adopt Bitcoin instead. Banks are a dying breed, just like VCRs or floppy disks. There is absolutely no more need for banks with cryptocurrency. Bitcoin can give people everything that Banks can give them. Except it does not charge hidden/any holding fees and nobody can freeze/take over your money with Bitcoin. This is true independence. True freedom.

How long until everyone in the world understands this?

Personally, I will never put more money in the bank than I plan to spend on the same day. And even then it feels disgusting to have to use these "middlemen" because not every shop has adopted cryptocurrency yet.

The day will come. Have patience and spread the word.

I don't think banks will ever die simply because they have governments' full support. They will simply create their own digital currencies to "compete" with Bitcoin. People will stay with Fiat even if they won't have full control over their money. If only Bitcoin had widespread merchant acceptance and price stability, things would've been different. The vast majority of businesses and merchants accept Fiat on top of Bitcoin, so there's that. At least, people have an escape route from the current monetary system controlled by central banks and governments worldwide. As long as decentralization prevails, it'll be possible to enjoy true financial freedom. Just my thoughts Grin
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However, the fact the ATMs are not working 24/7 is unexplainable for me. That part I simply fail to understand. One thing would be they don't replenish them often enough (lack of personnel), but.. are they saving energy, or are they so afraid of thieves?! (the costs are imho small, so cost cutting alone doesn't explain that)

Never heard of such a thing in my life, I know of special ATMs that are meant for all the possible transactions including deposits and currency exchange to be locked inside the bank and only available at banking ours, but normal ATMs with a schedule? No way!

Me neither, still I don't claim to know everything on this world and strange / meaningless things can happen.
And although OP has done mistakes and now he went overly defensive, it could have been nice to see him clear this up.

@Agbe: you've started this topic with a mistake (and I'm being nice) related to the images. People getting now overly cautious about your every word is pretty much a normal development. So (as an advice you take into account or not, up to you) you should calm down before any answer you want to give.
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African banking system (Nigeria Precisely) it's a total scam. Like you said they are just like their politicians. Starting from how they defraud customers of their funds by little funds most times no reason for deduction to their por customer service.
Crypto currency main goal is to eradicate this fraudulent banking system and pave way for decentralization and transparency where we don't need to worry about calling any customer support when you notice any kind of fraudulent active on your account, everything can be done by user.
I have fully embrace crypto, it's only when I want to make purchase from shops I credit my account and make payment with my card. I distrust my bank up to the extend that I don't allow money stay more than 24hrs without using them off.
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Yes, they are colluding and sleeping in the same bed together.  They find Bitcoin to be such an existential threat, and the writing is on the wall that a banks aremn't really needed.
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Some people were even saying that they will sue their Banks in court to know why they can't take their bown money on their willing time to spend.
Honestly I've never heard of a bank that forbids people from taking money, this confuses me?
My assumption is that the bank does not prohibit people from taking their money, maybe the bank is filling money at the ATM, so it takes time to complete the filling process (if the assumption is correct).

I can use my fund at anytime. The only thing that can hinder my transaction is network.
But for this I strongly agree, that the bank's work system is too slow in serving consumer complaints, this is inversely proportional to the crypto system which experiences speed in terms of transactions, but the next problem is the network, when the area where we live the internet is not strong, then this too becoming a problem.

My thinking is actually more about developing resources, so that the application of bitcoin in everyday life can run as fast as transactions that we know. Public awareness of Bitcoin usage will actually increase further, when processes and resources are fully supported.
I am sure it will be achieved in the near future, because people's awareness of this problem is getting bigger
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