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legendary
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2) I shared all the insights and even my template with you when you were about to start your service. At that time, you said that you will only cover other markets excluding bitcoin. Then you started it and added bitcoin , competing with us against your initial plan. If I knew you would cover bitcoin upfront, I would have never helped you getting your business off the ground. Now you may say that you wouldn't have needed it, but I am disappointed about the lack of honesty.


there happen to be a boatload of ppl who currently or in the past have subbed to both our letters.  

there is not one of them who could possibly step forward and substantiate your claim that they are similar in any way or that i stole something proprietary from you.

stop being ridiculous and delusional.

I can vouch for Cypher on this one as I have subscribed to both subscriptions simultaneously and there is nothing "stolen" or "taken" from one newsletter to another in anyway other than the use of the term "Bitcoin" and Bitcoin coverage in their own respective approaches.

 Smiley
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 Smiley Cypher, yes you were absolutely right. Don't misinterpret my emoticon. It was perhaps a free bump for your thread.  Grin
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2) I shared all the insights and even my template with you when you were about to start your service. At that time, you said that you will only cover other markets excluding bitcoin. Then you started it and added bitcoin , competing with us against your initial plan. If I knew you would cover bitcoin upfront, I would have never helped you getting your business off the ground. Now you may say that you wouldn't have needed it, but I am disappointed about the lack of honesty.


there happen to be a boatload of ppl who currently or in the past have subbed to both our letters.  

there is not one of them who could possibly step forward and substantiate your claim that they are similar in any way or that i stole something proprietary from you.

stop being ridiculous and delusional.

I subscribed this month to S3052's just to see what the newsletter had to say, and though I do like it, I don't think you can say that you can say that cypher stole such a generic template. Yeah, you guys cover stocks and PMs, and yeah, you guys cover Bitcoin. They're all interconnected, how can you blame cypher for covering bitcoin too? Why not get mad at Waveaddict then? Honestly, we'd all be better off if we worked together, no need to be unconstructively competitive by bickering at each other. It's not like any one of you guys is stealing the other guy's material and insights. In the end, what the hell are we all here for if not to help each other? All in all, I think you'd benefit from subscribing to each others newsletters every so often and trying to improve your own newsletter because you each have certain strengths and certain weaknesses, you all have something to learn from each other.  I know I've learned something from each of you.

Here are my impressions:
cypher, you're usually not very ambiguous, which I like. You stick to your decisions and back them up with solid reasoning, and you tend to be right, though timing is usually a bit iffy. Also, for some reason, maybe because you get tired of tooting the same horn over and over, to not keep up with the same quality you had when I first subscribed. I politely request that you cover non-bitcoin markets more than you do now. I know you sort of dropped off on that because you felt that your readers only really cared about BTC, but I do like watching the stock, bond, and PM markets and would appreciate more coverage of that like you did every so often throughout the day.  I also get really confused when you say your all-in leveraged shorts were up for the day, yet I have no idea what those were. I think what I like best about you though is that you're conversational and I know you're another human being on the other side of those emails, and you do talk in a simple manner sorta like a doctor to his patient who has his patient's best interests at heart. It's a a nice feeling.

s3052, i like your analyses, but you do play both sides so you can't ever be "wrong". Is this wrong? Nah, I don't blame you. You keep your readers aware of both sides of the card, and it helps you have your personal probability for each scenario. Even so, your analyses have been more detailed then cypher's to date and you assuredly emphasize technical analysis more than he does.  Like WA's newsletter, you keep up a sort of summary newsletter you update as needed, which is really cool and easy to keep track of. Very professional. On average, quality wise, I'd say that you definitely best cypher at this point, especially for your price. I don't think cypher really cares about the number of subscribers he has though, as his sub service is something done out of amateurism (in the literal sense of the word). He does not need that as a source of income, though it's an appreciable amount I'm sure. That is not to say cypherdoc's newsletter isn't worth the premium over your price however. Like I said, you all have different strengths and you all have at least something to learn from each other.

waveaddict, I'm not very partial to your newsletter but there are other things that have been immensely valuable to me, things that have already paid itself over multiple times my sub cost of $210 over six months. You have a fantastic handle on wave analysis and I appreciate that you have indirectly provided me the means to learn how to myself. Perhaps coverage of good opportunities in imminent wave 3 movements would provide more value to your newsletter. Otherwise, to be honest, I don't even read your newsletter every time you update it.
legendary
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2) I shared all the insights and even my template with you when you were about to start your service. At that time, you said that you will only cover other markets excluding bitcoin. Then you started it and added bitcoin , competing with us against your initial plan. If I knew you would cover bitcoin upfront, I would have never helped you getting your business off the ground. Now you may say that you wouldn't have needed it, but I am disappointed about the lack of honesty.


there happen to be a boatload of ppl who currently or in the past have subbed to both our letters.  

there is not one of them who could possibly step forward and substantiate your claim that they are similar in any way or that i stole something proprietary from you.

stop being ridiculous and delusional.
legendary
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Whats your price for subscriptions now?

You really should throw up atleast a static webpage with this information so possible customers like I dont have to keep asking. (I could do it for you cheaply in an hour).
Why don't you make your outdated predictions public? That way every potential customer can validate your historical performance before subscribing.
If they're outdated, you shouldn't have any business in keeping it secret.

You can try out bitcoinbullbear.com by digitalcurrencyresearch.com
With historical performances and 50% more attractive prices instead: 0.55 BTC per month


thx for advertising directly in my thread.  that's ballsy.  i guess you want to take this to a whole new level.

Let's just make sure customers get the facts :
1) they have a right to understand that there is a great bitcoin and other financial market analysis service out there that costs almost 50% less than yours. This is a public thread and this is why it is possible to mention it here
2) I shared all the insights and even my template with you when you were about to start your service. At that time, you said that you will only cover other markets excluding bitcoin. Then you started it and added bitcoin , competing with us against your initial plan. If I knew you would cover bitcoin upfront, I would have never helped you getting your business off the ground. Now you may say that you wouldn't have needed it, but I am disappointed about the lack of honesty.

I am happy to continue this conversation privately if you wish.

Anyway, I wish you all the best for the future as we are both bitcoin lovers and competition is always good.

that's incorrect.  i never said i wouldn't cover Bitcoin.  how ridiculous is that in a Bitcoin forum?  and how am i actually beholden to you in any way?

yes, you shared with me an Excel spreadsheet about how you keep track of customer payments.  but how complicated was it?  just a simple listing of customers across the top in columns with date of monthly payment down the side in rows.  no macros, nothing special.  anything a 4th grader would set up.

so if you feel i somehow owe you something for that, i think you are delusional.

and why is this all such a big problem now?  a year and a half later from my starting.  

what's really disappointing is that you started this whole thing by complaining to BadBear behind my back about how i was running the thread w/o bothering to approach me first.

and this part about coming into my thread to advertise b/c it is somehow a public forum?  that's just indecent and provocative.  something i would never have done to you.  except maybe now as payback.  even then, i doubt it.
legendary
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Whats your price for subscriptions now?

You really should throw up atleast a static webpage with this information so possible customers like I dont have to keep asking. (I could do it for you cheaply in an hour).
Why don't you make your outdated predictions public? That way every potential customer can validate your historical performance before subscribing.
If they're outdated, you shouldn't have any business in keeping it secret.

You can try out bitcoinbullbear.com by digitalcurrencyresearch.com
With historical performances and 50% more attractive prices instead: 0.55 BTC per month


thx for advertising directly in my thread.  that's ballsy.  i guess you want to take this to a whole new level.

Let's just make sure customers get the facts :
1) they have a right to understand that there is a great bitcoin and other financial market analysis service out there that costs almost 50% less than yours. This is a public thread and this is why it is possible to mention it here
2) I shared all the insights and even my template with you when you were about to start your service. At that time, you said that you will only cover other markets excluding bitcoin. Then you started it and added bitcoin , competing with us against your initial plan. If I knew you would cover bitcoin upfront, I would have never helped you getting your business off the ground. Now you may say that you wouldn't have needed it, but I am disappointed about the lack of honesty.

I am happy to continue this conversation privately if you wish.

Anyway, I wish you all the best for the future as we are both bitcoin lovers and competition is always good.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
Whats your price for subscriptions now?

You really should throw up atleast a static webpage with this information so possible customers like I dont have to keep asking. (I could do it for you cheaply in an hour).
Why don't you make your outdated predictions public? That way every potential customer can validate your historical performance before subscribing.
If they're outdated, you shouldn't have any business in keeping it secret.

You can try out bitcoinbullbear.com by digitalcurrencyresearch.com
With historical performances and 50% more attractive prices instead: 0.55 BTC per month


thx for advertising directly in my thread.  that's ballsy.  i guess you want to take this to a whole new level.
legendary
Activity: 2100
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Whats your price for subscriptions now?

You really should throw up atleast a static webpage with this information so possible customers like I dont have to keep asking. (I could do it for you cheaply in an hour).
Why don't you make your outdated predictions public? That way every potential customer can validate your historical performance before subscribing.
If they're outdated, you shouldn't have any business in keeping it secret.

You can try out bitcoinbullbear.com by digitalcurrencyresearch.com
With historical performances and 50% more attractive prices instead: 0.55 BTC per month
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
Whats your price for subscriptions now?

You really should throw up atleast a static webpage with this information so possible customers like I dont have to keep asking. (I could do it for you cheaply in an hour).
Why don't you make your outdated predictions public? That way every potential customer can validate your historical performance before subscribing.
If they're outdated, you shouldn't have any business in keeping it secret.

No, because there is a system or logic in place that can last long periods of time.  For instance, I don't recommend people trading normally at any time period shorter than intermediate.
legendary
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Whats your price for subscriptions now?

You really should throw up atleast a static webpage with this information so possible customers like I dont have to keep asking. (I could do it for you cheaply in an hour).

1BTC/mo
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Shouldn't this topic be moved to an offtopic section?
It's been "write a random red word" for more than a year now. It'd fit nicely alongside topics like:
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What Song are you Listening To?

And so let me continue the game: Tiruppur
I think you have to be a hero member to understand.   Wink
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Shouldn't this topic be moved to an offtopic section?

No
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