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April 01, 2018, 12:03:38 PM
#26
Well that was illuminating. Thanks for lots of feedback Kim from Welltrado. (are you on easter vacation, with all this writing)

You call writing on bitcoin talk vacation? Ha.
So guys what do you think? Did I answer the questions properly?
newbie
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April 01, 2018, 08:41:11 AM
#25
Well that was illuminating. Thanks for lots of feedback Kim from Welltrado. (are you on easter vacation, with all this writing  Grin

newbie
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April 01, 2018, 05:43:49 AM
#24
Rating may just be an indicator for ICOs but it does not actually guarantee its success. I have found that there are ICOs that are even highly budgeted yet doesn't have so many investors. The only guarantee is when they would be able to maintain their status for some years and their income being kept stable and or is increasing.
jr. member
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April 01, 2018, 05:31:46 AM
#23
Here's a good video that explains how to do quick and effective research on ICOs, very useful: https://bestcrypto.tv/414/how-to-quickly-research-crypto-projects/
newbie
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April 01, 2018, 05:28:51 AM
#22
Running through WELLTRADO www.welltrado.io through this list:


So should we make a better list? Here is the original ones:

I am usually checking

1. Are they real? - LinkedIn, etc.

Tomas Medeckis CEO, Co-founder - https://linkedin.com/in/tomas-medeckis-0a237585
MEEE!!!CDO, Co-founder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-nielsen-89545331
Arturas Svirskis, CBDO, Co-founder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/arturassvirskis
Zygimantas Stancelis, CTO, Co-founder - https://linkedin.com/in/%C5%BEygimantas-stancelis-6725b265
Etc.

2. Independent verification - award-shows etc. Don't matter if they actually win anything. Just that they are outthere.

- Double goldwinner at D10e. The largest ICO pitch competition. Both winner of jury and audience award.https://www.welltrado.io/welltrado-wins-d10-the-biggest-ico-pitch-competion-both-jury-audience-award
- Also 2nd place at Rietumu Fintech, before ICO. This company is years old. Rietumu Banks Fintech challenge – the biggest competition in Baltics for fintech companies.

3. Business model - can it live outside of crypto (CRUCIAL!)

Our business model is to connect thousands of P2P lending networks into a large marketplace. Like Amazon. (Amazon connects merchants, that sell products) (Welltrado connect P2P lending platforms, that sell loans)
Investors who invest into P2P loans exists primarily outside the crypto-space. However we want crypto to have the ability to easily invest into over 1 million PRE-existing loans aswell.

What do I mean with pre-existing? We are NOT a P2P lending platform. We are working with a multitude of p2p lending platforms. All with many years in the business, and well-developed loan origination network and procedures. The loans are already outthere. We are just connecting them to crypto in a platform. Not rocket science.

4. Are they "chaaanging the world" - then you are out. get out. I want ICOs that actually happen. Not elephants in space.

Hahahaha. Elephants in space.

We are not changing the world at www.welltrado.io. Maybe that is why the project can seem a bit boring. We are basically just connecting the dots between two different industries.
At it's core Welltrado is about "diversification". Plain and simple.

if we look at the deep systemic problems in crypto, diversification is a major issue.  Because while we have over 1500 ALTs, their value closely mirror the movements of BTC and ETH. HODL all you want, your ALTs are married to an extremely volatile market. A market not just for tech geeks anymore, but a market played by whales and market makers.

The unfortunate reality is that majority of cryptocurrency investors are first time investors. Of all types of investors, these especially need to pay attention to diversification. Welltrados main proposition is to take your crypto, and then give you an easy way to diversify your 1 ETH into … about 340 different loans. (2 ETH= 640 loans and so on)
Anyway. We give you the ability to place your 1 ETH on many different lending platforms. Across many different countries, and in wildly different things. 0.002 ETH on a Business Loan, 0.002 ETH on someones Mortgage, 0.002 ETH on some risky loan in Georgia. etc. etc. This can be done manually (remember loans are already there! Or through a fund structure)

The boring parts:
1. Most P2P lending platforms only takes FIAT.
2. This means that when you put your 1 ETH into loans - the backend with convert it to FIAT. Invest in the loans. The loan amount+returns are then in FIAT.
3. When the loan is done. Amount+returns are returned in FIAT. Only then converted back to your crypto of choice.

The good parts:
1. YOU ARE SAFE. By using FIAT we are effectively removing the insane fluctuations and instability of crypto. This means when the market takes it's nosedive you won't be fucked. At all.
2. The returns are in traditional standards very good. Ranging from 6% - 35%. However YOU pick the loans, or setup your automation criteria. This is not necessarily some closed fund that takes the decisions.
3. We have many partners already. The P2P lending world lacks investors, and crypto-investors are tech savvy and not averse of risk. This makes you guys very good prospective investors for them!
4. Real Diversification. Millions of loans, from many different countries in wildly different industries. Never put all your eggs in one basket ladies & gentlemen Wink

5. Does the token model insure that I will make money? Preferably by incorporating burning in the service layers.

Welltrado's token is called =WTL.

Remember how I said that the Crypto will be exchanged to FIAT? Well that costs something. However instead of charging upfront we have decided to work with another model.
We charge 5% only when the investor receives profit. Every time a person gets returns on successful investments, a fee equal to 5% of the profit in WTL is taken from the WTL token
holder’s account and is burnt partially as fuel for the service. Ownership of WTL creates a reserve that can be used as the fuel for future services.

Welltrado recieves about 0.5% - 2% from every investment made on network directly from the P2P lending platforms. As you can imagine this will create a very nice profit stream for
the company. After all we take none of the risk of defaults etc. We can operate with a small team.

We have decided to distribute this income stream in 3 different ways:
1. 30% of all income goes BACK to the investors for making transactions. The more tokens you own, the more you get.
1. 30% of all income gets used for buying/burning WTLs. To insure scarcity and value.
1. 40% of all income goes to Welltrado development.


6. How is the ICO using blockchain? First. Educate yourself on how the blockchain works, and the current limitations! Often ICOs want to use the Blockchain for an insane amount of transactions. Or put things on the Blockchain which really should not go there.. However it sounds "cool" and "crypto" friendly.

So lets’s talk blockchain. In an ideal world blockchain would help to verify the client by supplying credit scoring information from blockchain-based registries, with smart contracts taking care of loan repayments. In the real world, regulated lending platforms must ensure the individual borrower’s identity is verified, a credit check is done, money is transferred and, in the case of a default, there is clear process of litigation and/or debt collection. Welltrado's use of the blockchain is quite unglamorous.We are using it to track our connected platforms.We are tracking their loans. How many goes bad. How many are late. We are giving scores on everything. - and this is what goes on the blockchain. This is what is needed on the blockchain. Not only for regular investors - but because we are playing a much larger game here.

You see. P2P lending platforms in general has problems with legitimacy. The P2P lending platforms are decentralized, independent and without third party supervision, and they actually suffer from that. Big institutional investors stay away, due to lack of immutable proof of conduct. We will be able to deliver that through the blockchain. This in turn will attract big money to our platform, and our business will explode.

7. I disagree about the apparent consensus that an ICO project should use the Blockchain for something crucial. That seems to be a rule made by crypto-evangelists, not business oriented people.

I kindof disagree with that. I mean I think our use of blockchain is pretty important. At least it is a stepping stone.

But I do agree that there is many many unfortunate misunderstandings. This idea that full disclosure/pseudo anonymity. Like if I paid back my friend for some lemonade, I would thus let him know everything about my finances. That's not so smart. Some disclosure may be tolerable for individuals, but it is deadly for companies. All of their contracting parties, sales, customers, account amounts, and every other little, petty detail would all become public. Financial transparency is perhaps one of the largest disadvantages of blockchain in general. Some may disagree with that ofcourse Smiley

8. Check if the project is backed by VC. Check if the VCs have legitimate business outside the ICO industry.

Our main VC is http://goldfishfund.com/portfolio/ Owner of Cili Holdings which operates a largest restaurant chain in Baltics, with ±100 restaurants. It operates restaurants “Cili Pica”, “SOYA”, food manufacturing unit “Maisto Namai” and food delivery system 1822.

Also. Again. We ARE NOT A crypto- P2P lending platform.
Salt Lending, Coinloan, Celcius are crypto P2P marketplaces. In it is awesome and entrepreneurial. But extremely risky, no amount of blockchain can hide that. Using crypto as collateral for loans, is mad. The day cryptomarket takes a real nosedive, the collateral will similarly plummet. If the borrower doesnt’ pay back the loan, the lender wil be in a position where he can only recoup some semi-worthless crypto collateral. Or worse bankruptcy or closing of the platform with huge losses.

Investors using Welltrado, will not be at risk. Because the loans+interest will be in FIAT. You are secure. You will not stand in some messy situation. Where there is no clear process to get debt collected etc. You are not victim to insane crypto market fluctuations, and you still have a very good return rate.

.....AND Kim OUT!!
Please if you guys have questions, you can always catch me on Telegram:
https://t.me/welltrado

newbie
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April 01, 2018, 03:45:24 AM
#21
To distinguish the good from the ugly, what Danna_R said.

So should we make a better list? Here is the original ones:

I am usually checking

1. Are they real? - LinkedIn, etc.

2. Independent verification - award-shows etc. Don't matter if they actually win anything. Just that they are outthere.

3. Business model - can it live outside of crypto (CRUCIAL!)

4. Are they "chaaanging the world" - then you are out. get out. I want ICOs that actually happen. Not elephants in space.

5. Does the token model insure that I will make money? Preferably by incorporating burning in the service layers.

6. How is the ICO using blockchain? First. Educate yourself on how the blockchain works, and the current limitations! Often ICOs want to use the Blockchain for an insane amount of transactions. Or put things on the Blockchain which really should not go there.. However it sounds "cool" and "crypto" friendly.

7. I disagree about the apparent consensus that an ICO project should use the Blockchain for something crucial. That seems to be a rule made by crypto-evangelists, not business oriented people.

8. Check if the project is backed by VC. Check if the VCs have legitimate business outside the ICO industry.

9. Don't use xxx amount of social views, xxx amount of Telegram users etc. For anything. ALL the teams hire external marketing. Some of the agencies, if not all,  tampers alot with the numbers, to sell the hype that they promised the ICOs. Don't necessarily let weird numbers weigh much in your decision.

10. Hype is cool. But a good business model, and an idea that can survive outside of crypto because it was born outside crypto, is preferable.

That's all for now!
jr. member
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March 31, 2018, 07:23:22 AM
#20
I suggest keeping an eye open (e.g. googling for) certain industries + "blockchain" or "ico". Projects with a solid foundation in an industry that is originally unrelated to blockchain tend to contain less hot air. (For even better results, exclude the keywords "disrupting" from your searches...)

To distinguish the good from the ugly, what Danna_R said.
newbie
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March 31, 2018, 07:02:01 AM
#19
from my point of view, it takes a very long time to analyze every ICO that pops up every day. You can spend a whole week reading all white books, checking websites and investigating teams.
newbie
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March 31, 2018, 06:53:17 AM
#18
come on, do not just look and make a decision from the rating site alone. there's a lot of analysis you have to do and if you miss it, I'm sure you'll get stuck.

Of course not.
www.welltrado.io was pretty easy for me, because I have been investing in P2P lending platforms while also investing in crypto. Even contacted one of the partners(due diligence) , where I have already invested.

My biggest concern is if they can convince crypto - which let's realize it, is often first time investors, to try something new. I think most of them think investing in a crypto-index is smarter.



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March 31, 2018, 06:25:01 AM
#17
come on, do not just look and make a decision from the rating site alone. there's a lot of analysis you have to do and if you miss it, I'm sure you'll get stuck.
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March 31, 2018, 06:19:28 AM
#16
the most reliable projects should be present on the site of the icodrops. in my opinion these guys are professionals in their field. the availability of a project on their site is a success in 80% of cases

I really love Icodrops. They are non-profit, and help sort through alot of shit ICOs. However looking at the "ended" ICO section, many of their choices ends up not funding.

That to me reflects the other side of the coin, what they tend to like. What is in their interest is not necessarily what is in the market interest. So the narrow focus can sometimes be a bit of an disadvantage? Or is it just me?
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March 31, 2018, 06:10:10 AM
#15
are you interested in the abyss ICO ??
I think this project is very good, they got 23 expert rating in icobench, while welltrado only got 5 expert rating.
indeed this can't be the main reference, but it can help the investor to choose the best ICO.

Okay looked at Icobench. Indeed many ratings. Lots of bad ones though. But hey I guess that the nature with many ratings.

However as someone said earlier... How does this compute in the real world? Is there a need for this? Who are the competition?

Looking at this factors, this Ico will probably fail.  Steam, Origin, Uplay are enough. They have the money, they have the network and are deeply involved in publishing side as well. Also I have a hard time to see what crypto gain.

Sometimes it feels like ICOs want to build a separate world for crypto to live in. Every goddamn successful platform apparently needs an crypto equivalent. No matter how hard the playing field is.

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March 31, 2018, 04:43:13 AM
#14
Hi guys,

So, seeing that the amount of new ICOs are going insane, I am often thinking about which tactics you use to find new prospects?

The new ICOs are spending sick amounts of money on marketing and influencers, and it is becoming hard to distinguish good from bad.

The only real promising under the radar project I have found this month is Welltrado. I base that on a 5.0 rating on ICObench, and a double gold win at d10e. Trustworthy sources in my book.

However I don't want to spend all my allocated money for April on that one project. So guys. Do you know any upcoming ICO projects with great ratings and real-world backing that could be worth a look? I don't give a shit about bitcoin talk  hype. Give me something real, not bought by coin drops and affiliate bullshit!



According to analysis tokens of exchanges give good gains. For example there is lccx.io - looks like promising exchange based in London.  Well developed white paper, experienced team, located in politically stable jurisdiction.
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March 31, 2018, 03:04:52 AM
#13
the most reliable projects should be present on the site of the icodrops. in my opinion these guys are professionals in their field. the availability of a project on their site is a success in 80% of cases
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March 31, 2018, 02:58:40 AM
#12
I suggest you know about CARDSTACK, which is a project that has implemented the open source code. This project is really excellent.
I'm going to invest some of that money. Grin
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March 31, 2018, 02:47:07 AM
#11
Hi guys,

So, seeing that the amount of new ICOs are going insane, I am often thinking about which tactics you use to find new prospects?

The new ICOs are spending sick amounts of money on marketing and influencers, and it is becoming hard to distinguish good from bad.

The only real promising under the radar project I have found this month is Welltrado. I base that on a 5.0 rating on ICObench, and a double gold win at d10e. Trustworthy sources in my book.

However I don't want to spend all my allocated money for April on that one project. So guys. Do you know any upcoming ICO projects with great ratings and real-world backing that could be worth a look? I don't give a shit about bitcoin talk  hype. Give me something real, not bought by coin drops and affiliate bullshit!


are you interested in the abyss ICO ??
I think this project is very good, they got 23 expert rating in icobench, while welltrado only got 5 expert rating.
indeed this can't be the main reference, but it can help the investor to choose the best ICO.
newbie
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March 31, 2018, 02:13:06 AM
#10

I found stuff like that pretty abundant. I am also curious to why on earth the damn stuff get's funded anyway? Catering to geeks with technological wonders seems to the gateway to golden rivers of money Wink
Again, I found jack shit - this month, and there is so many. Maybe that Welltrado thing, but I am bit sceptic about the "calculator". I don't know. Whatever. Looking at the bloodbath in the markets, I am bit edgy right now.

Hey, just popping in to say you can go our Telegram about your calculator question https://t.me/welltrado
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March 30, 2018, 11:52:56 AM
#9
I use multiple metods, but none of them can give you a common sense. For example recently i saw a project claiming to " cold fusion new elemets" . if one cant understand that this is disgusting scam and gives them money than no tool or advice cant help these kind of investors.

Right now i do not know much good projects, only good ones seeminlgy just ended.

I found stuff like that pretty abundant. I am also curious to why on earth the damn stuff get's funded anyway? Catering to geeks with technological wonders seems to the gateway to golden rivers of money Wink
Again, I found jack shit - this month, and there is so many. Maybe that Welltrado thing, but I am bit sceptic about the "calculator". I don't know. Whatever. Looking at the bloodbath in the markets, I am bit edgy right now.
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March 30, 2018, 10:39:54 AM
#8
Hi guys,

So, seeing that the amount of new ICOs are going insane, I am often thinking about which tactics you use to find new prospects?

The new ICOs are spending sick amounts of money on marketing and influencers, and it is becoming hard to distinguish good from bad.

The only real promising under the radar project I have found this month is Welltrado. I base that on a 5.0 rating on ICObench, and a double gold win at d10e. Trustworthy sources in my book.

However I don't want to spend all my allocated money for April on that one project. So guys. Do you know any upcoming ICO projects with great ratings and real-world backing that could be worth a look? I don't give a shit about bitcoin talk  hype. Give me something real, not bought by coin drops and affiliate bullshit!



I use multiple metods, but none of them can give you a common sense. For example recently i saw a project claiming to " cold fusion new elemets" . if one cant understand that this is disgusting scam and gives them money than no tool or advice cant help these kind of investors.

Right now i do not know much good projects, only good ones seeminlgy just ended.
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March 30, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
#7
It takes a tremendous amount of time to analyze every ICO that pop every day. You can spend a whole week reading all the whitepaper, check the website, investigate the team and you have 10 more that appear on the pipe.

You need sometime go with your gut's feeling.

But isn't that the reason why we got into this mess to begin with? Too much gut feeling - too little checking of independent verifiable facts?

I am usually checking

1. Are they real? - LinkedIn, etc.
2. Independent verification - award-shows etc. Don't matter if they actually win anything. Just that they are outthere.
3. Business model - can it live outside of crypto (CRUCIAL!)
4. Are they "chaaanging the world" - then you are out. get out. I want ICOs that actually happen. Not elephants in space.
5. Does the token model insure that I will make money? Tongue

Any stuff I forgot?
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