Fires of high voltage batteries in HEV and EVs. - page 4.

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Quote from: Forester618 on April 02, 2017, 10:38:10 AM

And how can you pollute the earth because it is produced?

What is the origin of Electricity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpwxVTkpQo (In Russian)

What is unclear?

Ever heard of geothermal and wind turbines? Electricity can be produced without coal and oil, we just need batteries that can store them without much energy loss.

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if we want to save the planet

Lithium is a fossil, and is limited.
Rare-earth permanent magnets are fossil.
Elecricity is from fossil fuel.
"Renevable energy" - do You produce such energy now? Where is your love to planet savaging?

Why You use the shit like "save the planet"?

So you want to keep on guzzling oil? Go ahead. Who sponsored this thread anyway?

BTW, BTW, lithium may be limited and have to be mined but it's not a fossil and can be reused. And you can produce electricity without "fossil" fuels. Ughh.... Are you also a Flat Earther?

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Quote from: Forester618 on April 02, 2017, 10:38:10 AM

And how can you pollute the earth because it is produced?

What is the origin of Electricity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpwxVTkpQo (In Russian)

What is unclear?

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The electric power is widely used in Russia for trasportation.
The difference is the safety, they explode not, and they burn not, they are Lithium batteryless cars or trains.

But if You will to burn alive, there are the charge stations too.

What plug type is available in Your city?
Seems, You are at risk il range limitations from Your plug.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on April 02, 2017, 02:01:37 AM

if we want to save the planet

Lithium is a fossil, and is limited.
Rare-earth permanent magnets are fossil.
Elecricity is from fossil fuel.
"Renevable energy" - do You produce such energy now? Where is your love to planet savaging?

Why You use the shit like "save the planet"?

And how can you pollute the earth because it is produced? I don't really understand it. For I understand that times Russians are very concerned about the spread of electric vehicles so that's good. I hope that soon all cars will switch to electricity. The electric car first appeared. The internal combustion engine came later. Maybe it's time to correct this historical injustice.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on April 02, 2017, 02:01:37 AM

if we want to save the planet

Lithium is a fossil, and is limited.
Rare-earth permanent magnets are fossil.
Elecricity is from fossil fuel.
"Renevable energy" - do You produce such energy now? Where is your love to planet savaging?

Why You use the shit like "save the planet"?

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Still, the number of electric car fires is still much less than cars with gasoline engines. Although they use them less now. Therefore, you need to ride a bicycle for safety Grin

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This is why even if I already have to money to buy one, I'd probably hold off a bit just so that any flaws in existing designs (if there are any) could be fixed first as well as have it cheaper. New techs do have problems sometime.

There's no doubt that we'd eventually have to switch to electric though if we want to save the planet. More electric vehicles and renewable energy. Trains already operate on electricity, maybe they can focus on using this on buses first. Public transportation, provided it is efficient, would result in less pollution than having everyone drive their own.

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The subject ordered the competitors of Tesla. Or the Arabs are worried that oil prices will fall because more and more people are looking towards electric vehicles.

Well, that is a possibility.

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but it is not a way out of the situation.

Brasil use ethanol.

Yes Brazil No. 1 country for the production of bioethanol in the world. In second place is America. The only difference is that Brazil produces bioethanol from sugar cane, and America of maize. Due to low wages and cheap raw Brazilian bioethanol cheaper.

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Quote from: Barrymore on March 30, 2017, 02:37:08 PM

but it is not a way out of the situation.

Brasil use ethanol.

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Tractor which uses fat instead of diesel is good, but fat is not so much to use it to move the car. There are certainly cars on rapeseed oil,but it is not a way out of the situation. The high price of fuel restricts the ability to move between cities and significantly increases the cost of delivery of goods.

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Quote from: santaclaws on March 30, 2017, 09:48:11 AM

I wonder if this was on purpose.

http://charged.io/10-alternatives-lithium-ion-batteries/

Someone like the idea to sell $100 Lithium in $10.000. battery.

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Lithium solid electrolytes can potentially address two key limitations of the organic electrolytes used in today’s lithium-ion batteries, namely, their flammability and limited electrochemical stability.
http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v14/n10/full/nmat4369.html

The safety problem is evident to scentists, but the $10.000. battery with $100 of Lithium have limited life time, and it lost with time the charging capacity, we need not forget it too.
This become the range limitation, and who become the empty battery can call the Wrecker.

https://youtu.be/zPTmTDWrbes?t=4m14s

My grandfather has a tractor that was made in 1974. It can be started from a tug, and thus nothing is needed at all. And instead of diesel fuel is used fat. In general, there is no danger of transport. And the battery will not explode, because it does not.

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Quote from: santaclaws on March 30, 2017, 09:48:11 AM

I wonder if this was on purpose.

http://charged.io/10-alternatives-lithium-ion-batteries/

Someone like the idea to sell $100 Lithium in $10.000. battery.

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Lithium solid electrolytes can potentially address two key limitations of the organic electrolytes used in today’s lithium-ion batteries, namely, their flammability and limited electrochemical stability.
http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v14/n10/full/nmat4369.html

The safety problem is evident to scentists, but the $10.000. battery with $100 of Lithium have limited life time, and it lost with time the charging capacity, we need not forget it too.
This become the range limitation, and who become the empty battery can call the Wrecker.

https://youtu.be/zPTmTDWrbes?t=4m14s

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Quote from: santaclaws on March 30, 2017, 08:57:43 AM

Give them time to work out the bugs.

There is nothing to change in Lithium batteries.
The vibration, charging at sub-freezing temperature, impacts are inevitable in allday use of EV and HEVs.

Well then they named them appropriately..

EV - explosive vehicle

HEV - highly explosive vehicle (gas + battery = kaboom!)

Grin

I wonder if this was on purpose.

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Quote from: santaclaws on March 30, 2017, 08:57:43 AM

Give them time to work out the bugs.

There is nothing to change in Lithium batteries.
The vibration, charging at sub-freezing temperature, impacts are inevitable in allday use of EV and HEVs.

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I have seen vaporizers explode and burn people pretty badly but an entire car filled with batteries would probably be fatal. I was hoping to buy an electric car sometime in the future but now I'm thinking I should just stick with gasoline engine cars. They have been around for so long that all the flaws have been pretty much dealt with. Maybe I'll wait another 10 years to get an electric vehicle.. Give them time to work out the bugs.

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Quote from: Forester618 on March 30, 2017, 08:32:32 AM

How many times have you heard about the fires they cause?

This is about Your News font.

No one earn money to teach You about cases of damage of high cost Lithium batteries exploding and burning.

Are You informed enough now?

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If you add the weight of all these needed esxtinguishers onto the battery weights it's probably a better tradeoff driving a classical combustion-engined car. Surprised to see the new technology still beeing combustion focused Cool

Jokes asside, this tech will improve, just that lithium seems to be a deadend alley.

Now I am worried about my laptop replacement battery pack, it's of abroad manufactoring, could even be Samsung involved in it's production. Do I have to store it in the garden house just as a security measure to save the house?

LOL. How were you before? You always kept your laptop in the garden? Better insure your property if you are afraid and live in peace on. It seems to me that the risk of fire is too exaggerated. How many billions of phones in the hands of the people? Add to this the laptops and other equipment with batteries. How many times have you heard about the fires they cause? Do not panic.

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Lithium-metal contains plenty of lithium that reacts with water and makes the fire worse.
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If the fire of a burning lithium-ion battery cannot be extinguished, allow the pack to burn in a controlled and safe way
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/safety_concerns_with_li_ion

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There are two basic types of battery failures.
One occurs at a predictable interval-per-million and is connected with a design flaw involving the electrode, separator, electrolyte or processes.
These defects often involve a recall to correct a discovered flaw.
The more difficult failures are random events that do not point to a design flaw.
It may be a stress event like charging at sub-freezing temperature, vibration, or a fluke incident that is comparable to being hit by a meteor.

Ohh, charging at sub-freezing temperature and vibration are the basic causes of battery failures...
This are the basic condition of use to any EV and HEV in the real world.

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Quote from: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 04:59:24 PM

If you add the weight of all these needed esxtinguishers onto the battery weights it's probably a better tradeoff driving a classical combustion-engined car. Surprised to see the new technology still beeing combustion focused Cool

Jokes asside, this tech will improve, just that lithium seems to be a deadend alley.

Now I am worried about my laptop replacement battery pack, it's of abroad manufactoring, could even be Samsung involved in it's production. Do I have to store it in the garden house just as a security measure to save the house?

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