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Quote from: Lancusters on March 29, 2017, 04:34:07 PM

We have all the police goes on the hybrids and no fire.

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cars' battery management system could "inadvertently classify a brief internal electrical current surge/peak as a critical battery condition
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the callback involves all 5,561 of the vehicles shipped to the country, including 157 that are as yet unsold.
The fix involves installing an update to the cars' battery management software
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35920615

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You here such fears show if I hadn't encountered electric vehicles probably would have believed. We have all the police goes on the hybrids and no fire. My neighbor is a Chinese electric vehicle (I call it a smartphone) for three years every day goes on it and no problems. Probably not as bad as you write here.

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Quote from: Goliaf on March 29, 2017, 01:58:44 PM

Install on vehicle Autonomous system of fire extinguishing.

There is nothing to do, if it start to burn.

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Install on vehicle Autonomous system of fire extinguishing. As in the tank. Then you will not have problems. In General, there are still cars running on gas. They also occasionally burn, but because of high gasoline prices them becomes every year more.

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Quote from: Moloch on March 29, 2017, 01:00:24 PM

this was a study from 2003-2007... near zero Li-Ion batteries were being used in cars at the time...

Just try to find the data about EV and HEVs burned in 2015 or 2016.

The joke is easy to call this problem as "low incidence".

Charging station in garage seems me for now as a bad idea.

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The subject ordered the competitors of Tesla. Or the Arabs are worried that oil prices will fall because more and more people are looking towards electric vehicles.

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Quote from: HabBear on March 28, 2017, 04:15:03 PM

Are there more than these 11 instances?

For sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents

30 vehicles fires per hour in the USA.
How much from that are HEV or EV for 2016 i have no data for the moment.

If you actually read the paragraph you quoted from wikipedia, you would know this was a study from 2003-2007... near zero Li-Ion batteries were being used in cars at the time...

So none of the "30 vehicle fires per hour" have anything to do with batteries...

Car interiors are highly flammable and they usually contain 10+ gallons of gasoline...

But don't blame that shit on batteries catching fire when it's 100% not true

If you stopped to think about it for even 2 seconds, or do the math... 30 per hour... that's over 250,000 per year... how many electric vehicles do you think were in use during 2003-2007? (hint: it's less than 1,250,000, and they didn't all catch fire)

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Quote from: DeanShow on March 29, 2017, 10:55:42 AM

1. Just what does this have to the battery?

2. Buran stopped due to the fact that the Soviet Union could not Fund the project, and the space Shuttle stopped after several accidents. But I think that actually for the same reason.

1. This is about the decision to not use more some tecnology (in front of danger for Human Lives or costs).

2. The rocket for "Buran" (Energia) is still in use. But for other "Buran" launching was no contractors.
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There is not enough Lithium for many cars in the future.

Try to find something about danger of Lithium batteries
http://www.albemarle-lithium.com/applications/batteries-accumulators/

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Quote from: HabBear on March 29, 2017, 10:33:31 AM

but that certainly wasn't a reason to stop trying.

Some tecnologies are stopped - Russian "Buran" and "Space Shuttle".

As far as I know and the space Shuttle and Buran stopped long ago. Just what does this have to the battery? Buran stopped due to the fact that the Soviet Union could not Fund the project, and the space Shuttle stopped after several accidents. But I think that actually for the same reason.

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Quote from: HabBear on March 29, 2017, 10:33:31 AM

but that certainly wasn't a reason to stop trying.

Some tecnologies are stopped - Russian "Buran" and "Space Shuttle".

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Quote from: HabBear on March 28, 2017, 04:15:03 PM

Are there more than these 11 instances?

For sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents

WOW, that's a lot! Definitely warrants investigation and attention from the manufacturers. The challenge with the manufactures, the business decision making is, if the cost to pay out damages is less than the cost of re-engineering and fixing the problem with their cars, they'll continue to allow the defect to exist.

Any word on how the automakers are handling and responding to this?

I don't think "EVs are bad" is the simple answer, the technology just needs to be improved. Shit, the first rockets to send men to space exploded but that certainly wasn't a reason to stop trying.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on March 28, 2017, 09:40:30 PM

you'll see that it's a 1% event

The bus depicted in Belarus is burned fast and with big flames in short time before loading 20 cildrens for a trip.
I have no idea about what type or rethoric of low event case it might become in front of possible burned alive childrens.
The bus burned in China present too a high power of heat in "non collision" situation.
The car burned in Norway become fires at short stop for WC.
In that way the situation is only to wait a bigger damage with more casualties.

The presence of High Voltage caves and batteries, the possibility to charge batteries make the HEV dangerous at the same level as EV.

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Quote from: StefanReed on March 29, 2017, 03:31:28 AM

You suggest not to use all the appliances?

At least someone need see what might happens if You got such explosive thing in Home Garage or You will use it for the family trips.

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A fire broke out on Tuesday in a building housing an auto battery laboratory at Geely-owned Volvo Car Group's plant in Gothenburg, in western Sweden, the company said.
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This is the second fire at Volvo Car's Gothenburg plant in less than two months. In early February, another building, housing a test facility, caught fire.

http://www.reuters.com/article/geely-volvo-fire-idUSL5N1H52OP

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Lithium batteries are now everywhere. And phones and flashlights, and electric shavers. In short everywhere. You suggest not to use all the appliances? After the accident fokusime state has not closed a nuclear power plant. If there is a problem, then it needs to be addressed, but the movement towards electric cars is unstoppable.

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Quote from: TooQik on March 28, 2017, 09:22:13 PM

an example of a fire in a Hybrid that has nothing to do with the car's HV system.

How do You detect the origine of HEV fire?

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The batteries used in cars are of the same type you have in your phone, computer and many other everyday use gadgets. They can catch fire when pierced or overheated, but if you compare the numbers you'll see that it's a 1% event. It's not even that common to call it a 1%. I could start a topic that cars are burning because fuel is flammable, if you drive a car you'll most likely burn to death and i'd be on point, because car fires due to fuel leak are far more common than fires caused by a battery.

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lithium-ion batteries have shown they can ignite, or reignite, long after they have been damaged or involved in a fire—hours, days, or even weeks later
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Lt. Paul Rogers, a hazardous materials expert with the Fire Department of New York (FDNY), offered a compact assessment of the lithium-ion reignition issue.
“We have more questions than answers—I’m not sure how we are going to handle that right now.”
http://www.nfpa.org/news-and-research/publications/nfpa-journal/2016/january-february-2016/features/ess/lithium-ion-conundrum

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an electric car battery overheated to temperatures of about 500 degrees and emitted a dangerous plume of smoke. The car, parked in the first block of E. Evelyn Avenue, had been converted for an internal combustion engine to all-electric, said Mountain View Fire Department spokesman Lynn Brown.
http://www.mv-voice.com/news/2017/01/27/electric-cars-pose-new-challenges-to-firefighters

Lithium-ion batteries are presenting the real danger, and calling it "imperfection" seems strange.

https://priuschat.com/threads/my-toyota-prius-2010-caught-fire.160234/

HEV Prius burned out in 15 minutes. London

If you're going to start a topic about fires in electric vehicles caused by failures of the HV system, you're best off linking to articles that actually contain such.

The Prius fire you've linked to here is an example of a fire in a Hybrid that has nothing to do with the car's HV system. For the record the traction pack batteries are in the boot in a Prius, not in the right hand front of the vehicle as displayed in the above picture.

And if you want to give your topic some credibility, maybe compare fires caused by faults / damage in the HV system to those caused by faults / damage in the fuel system, otherwise it's just scare mongering.

Lastly, probably one of the best things you can take away from understanding the difference between a HV electrical fire and a highly flammable liquid fire, the battery fire will usually give you ample warning that there's a problem before reaching any point of explosion, if indeed it explodes at all.

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lithium-ion batteries have shown they can ignite, or reignite, long after they have been damaged or involved in a fire—hours, days, or even weeks later
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Lt. Paul Rogers, a hazardous materials expert with the Fire Department of New York (FDNY), offered a compact assessment of the lithium-ion reignition issue.
“We have more questions than answers—I’m not sure how we are going to handle that right now.”
http://www.nfpa.org/news-and-research/publications/nfpa-journal/2016/january-february-2016/features/ess/lithium-ion-conundrum

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Jan 27, 2017
an electric car battery overheated to temperatures of about 500 degrees and emitted a dangerous plume of smoke. The car, parked in the first block of E. Evelyn Avenue, had been converted for an internal combustion engine to all-electric, said Mountain View Fire Department spokesman Lynn Brown.
http://www.mv-voice.com/news/2017/01/27/electric-cars-pose-new-challenges-to-firefighters

Lithium-ion batteries are presenting the real danger, and calling it "imperfection" seems strange.

https://priuschat.com/threads/my-toyota-prius-2010-caught-fire.160234/

HEV Prius burned out in 15 minutes. London

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Every year we hear that many car companies are withdrawing their cars with traditional internal combustion engines including the cause of the fire. While all are silent. It seems to me that all this hype is nothing more than a competitive struggle for the buyer. If Tesla will achieve a substantial reduction in price of their products I can assure you that the problem of imperfection of the batteries just no one will pay attention.

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Zotye M300 EV - the cause of the fire to the car’s is the battery pack

Wuzhoulong EV bus with LiFePO4 power batteries caught fire in the charging station on Apr. 26th, 2015 in Shenzhen, China

A new Electric bus burned in Belorussia 05.07.2016

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They sure used a lot of fire extinguishers for that Tesla Cheesy

That thing was burning like a meth lab!
Phones are also blowing up and catching fire. Lithium cells are delicate and can explode in your pocket. This guy's e-cig turned him into a torch. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/25/health/e-cigarette-explodes-in-mans-pocket/
I read that many of the Tesla fires were caused by people running over curbs. One guy received a warning from the car's OS, ignored it and kept driving. A couple minutes later the car was on fire.

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