Topic: [Flag] Bruno AKA Phinnaeus Gage, Gleb Gamow, YuTü.Co.in, Bitcoin 100 & ??? - page 2. (Read 1766 times)

No ChuckBuck, you just got hilariousetc wrong. If the death certificate is fake, someone is taking advantages here. Why would someone would fake his death? If it's fake, it means Bruno's previous thread was also kind of fake, to get donated some money.
I don't think Bruno's death is fake although.

The question here is why does someone have to create a fake obituary? I don't see any effect when someone fakes it  I suppose this obituary is fake, then everyone  believe that Bruno died. As soon as Bruno's account was active and posting, people reacted violently to it. What are the benefits of fake obituary? Who will benefit from counterfeiting it? Nobody, I just see the disadvantage here, so I suppose no one tries to fake it without any benefit, am I wrong?

Ignore the everhere site. It doesn't matter. It's an aggregator site like many others. The funeral home obit is the original and it's extremely unlikely to be fake. Can we let this go now.

"Having a fake account on there" has nothing to do with anything. None of this matters because the obituary from the funeral home (which the Everhere one grabbed its data from to generate its generic, form letter-type obituary) couldn't be published without a death certificate in hand. Obtaining a death certificate is part of the legal obligations of the funeral home.



It's also common sense to have an inkling of what you are talking about before you start talking. The process can't "easily be faked" and it has been verified. You are still choosing to employ a ridiculous standard for "verification" in order to avoid having to admit you've been wrong on this issue since April.


Given your attitude toward him in the past and your persistent pushing of baseless conspiracies damaging to his reputation I find this hard to believe.


Now you have taken to straight up lying. This is what I actually said. I didn't say it was proof of anything -- I said its all you could go by to see if anyone had access to his account or not. I never thought for a second there wasn't a chance his account could be reactivated.


Then don't. Nobody asked for your opinion in the first place.


It's what you've clearly suggested several times based on nothing but rather insidious-minded speculation. I get it -- you always assume the worst in people. That's fine. Its your outlook on life, but we don't all have to share it, and it certainly doesn't aid you in navigating what is "common sense" and what isn't.

Have the last word if you must. I'm out.

No, that's not what I'm suggesting.


Well there you go. It's seemingly quite easy to fake an account on there, and that's all my concern ever was and that we shouldn't be merely accepting them as absolute proof of death.


It's common sense to not just blindly believe something that can easily be faked or hasn't been verified. And I don't have a grudge. My concern was always about the damage that could or was being done with his account. You even used the fact that the account hadn't posted in weeks as 'proof' that he was dead but Bruno's account is still alive and kicking regardless of whether he is or not. I mean, I'd love to never mention him or his account(s) again but if they keep popping up trying to scam people then it's going to be a little hard to ignore.


That's not what we're arguing here. This is a thread about Bruno's account(s) being used to scam. The discussion above isn't about whether he's deceased or not but whether an online obituary that seemingly anyone can create is sufficient proof or not.

Excuse me, can you tell me why you doubt Bruno's death? We can completely find out information about the disease he is suffering from. It seems that there is no cure for it, sooner or later, he will die for it. So why be suspicious? I believe he really died with those obituaries. Bruno may have some bad points, but if he's really dead, we just need to ignore those bad things, right? And now, the best solution is to lock his accounts. Avoid abuse from anyone. We're done here, why do we have to argue about what happened? We have accepted donations before, now just ignore it, don't argue about it.  Come on, don't argue over it 

The creation of Bruno's obituary on Everhere was automated and taken from data provided by the Boersma funeral home, who did file and receive a copy of his death certificate. This should be evident based on the first line of the obituary:


It just happened to appear in the search results ahead of the Boersma one, which is why I grabbed it first. A few posts later ibminer posted the Boersma one, which should have been good enough for any unbiased person to conclude for certain that he was deceased.

I tried to create an obituary there to test out what you said and upon completion it was met with this message:


So practically you should apply as much rigor to your theory about not knowing the truth about something without firm evidence that you did with Bruno's death as you would to understanding how the obituary creation process works.

For whatever reason you are continuing to overlook common sense in order to pursue a long-standing grudge against a now deceased individual. As a moderator you should be able to be a bit more objective in your approach to these issues, even if you are writing about it from your shitposting account.


I don't know for sure if his family collected the funds from his account, they never got back to me about that, and it's not my place to pry any further.

I called the funeral home to confirm he passed, which I looked up independently of the listing just to be sure. Are you suggesting that they made up a fake funeral home complete with a manned phone and or the funeral home is in on it? That is the only way that would happen.

Except I did do the slightest bit of research, at least to the extent that I went through Everhere's listing process myself. Anyone can seemingly create a listing there without legal verification. The only time I saw you needed to verify the death was if you were collecting donations.

Whilst you're here, do you know if Bruno's family were able to retrieve his coins from his wallet? That would at least cross off one possibility on what happened to his account/funds.

Since you won't let it be I feel compelled to respond. You can't make an obituary for "anybody" -- the obituary isn't published until a death certificate has been requested by the funeral home, which in this case is Boersma Funeral Home.  Obituaries aren't added to more general sites like Everhere until it has already been published by a funeral home elsewhere. I don't understand why you would call me "naive" when its obvious you didn't do the slightest bit of research on this issue.

I believe that its purpose is not to destroy the reputation of Bruno. It is simply a scam to earn some other money in this difficult time. And this fraudulent intent destroys accidentally Bruno's reputation. The crook doesn't mind if he destroys someone's reputation. I see too much speculation around here. So my question is if Bruno decides to sell his account? Will he sell all or just this? Has his other accounts started working yet? Phinnaeus Gage is the most valuable, but the other accounts are also valuable, I think he will also sell them  Right?

The real Bruno did sell his accounts whilst he was alive though, so he certainly would do it if he knew he was dying. Now, the question is did he sell or give away the account or has his next of kin recovered it as someone else suggested in the other thread that was just locked. I find his next of kin deciding to post a scam here less plausible and the more likely scenario is he gave it to someone who he was in contact with behind the scenes.


An unscrupulous individual. That's what scammers do. Some of them will steal money from the dying and needy. They don't care and have no morals, so taking over a dead man's account is probably nothing to them and ruining someone's reputation will be irrelevant.


I would take anything Nutlidah says with a pinch of salt as he's obviously bias and can't look at this situation objectively. You've got to be pretty gullible/niave to think all it takes to prove someones death is an online obituary that anyone can make for anybody. I think the most likely scenario is Bruno probably sold or gave away the account to someone he talked to privately. Either that or his next of kin recovered his funds and account which would make them an utter scumbag. Which is the most likely though? A scumbag family member or an opportunistic scammer who managed to get the account from Bruno before he died?


Assuming that it was Bruno who made that original post. That could have been the scammer for all we know. The pictures he used were old.

Nice deflection.  Nothing responded to.

Not at all Timelord2067, I believe that in your Flag against the Phinnaeus Gage account that each supporter may have also been a donator and each feels they entered into some sort of agreement whilst donating, hence your use of a written contract would be correct for these supporters (even though he jokingly called it his final exit scam which it very well could have ended up being). I did not donate and I feel no need to support it as my funds are safu for a properly done donation thread in these sorts of cases. If I opposed it then I feel I would be taking away from these donator/supporters that feel they were wronged so I will not be doing that either to honor their voices on the matter.

Your other three flags for his known alts have insufficient support as other DT1 members have opposed them and that is the joy of having 100 DT1 members, not every single one needs to come to the table and put their name down on every single flag. Its more of a collective effort to shut down flags that are improperly set out and as they have and will remain with insufficient support I feel fine not also opposing them. If this changes in the future then I may very well add my name to support the opposition due to the improper type/reference.

Nutildah's flag was posted after yours and it links to a more appropriate thread with information on the flagged subject.. instead you wanted some sort of hero cookie and linked yours back to this shitbag/low quality thread with close to zero actual information in it. Fail on your part. You could have made your reference link the archived page of the [Plead] agreement but ya know.. maybe daddy @theymos can give you some tips.

Its alright to feel jaded that you made the wrong decision with the funds that were in your possession and I truly am sorry that nobody did their due diligence beforehand to make sure this money actually got to somebody that could provide us with complete proof that it was used for its intended purpose.

In my experience with death or jailed members of the bitcoin community there has always been a foundation or someone close to the family that ensures the funds get to where they need to be. NOTHING about how this [Plead] thread played out instilled any confidence in someone that could look a little further past blind compassion and/or pity.

RIP Bruno. Fuck whoever is in control of the account now. This is my last response here as I've said all I have to say.

Not withstanding there are actually three flags just against Phinnaeus Gage [Link] [Link] AFAIK there are no other Flags other than the (so far) four I have created that link to this thread.  

The rules on Flag creation are quite specific - You can't have duplicate flags for the same occurrence - same goes for a thread being locked invalidates a flag.  I'm sure @theymos can confirm that one for you.  This thread is to discuss the four flags that I created, not to give running commentary on other flags in other threads.  You seem to be fence sitting on these four flags.

Because that helps hey?



My whole statement was about the Phinnaeus Gage account in general as it is the only one with activity post mortem. Two flags currently (hence Flag plurality). Your OP should be updated to include the more proper flag and include the link to the one started by nutildah. Probably also shouldn't be editing others' quotes without understanding the world doesn't revolve around just you.

Let him come here.


Thanks, but what was my end-game?


But didn't feel the need to voice an opinion to save the Known Alts donation funds from oblivion.  I appreciate you sharing your thoughts in this thread.

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(and it's one flag - against Phinnaeus Gage as the other three that I created don't have the necessary support to become active, hence Flag singular)

Ask nutildah.

There was no written contract. You donated to a man that could have died minutes after posting with no proof that anyone else in this world had access to the private keys. Due to your negligence in not confirming this you should have considered these coins burnt. I have however supported the other flag against the account as it is the proper flag type. Your reference is to a link that claims he is alive and kicking.. which I do not believe as I have no reason to doubt multiple obituaries and TECSHARE's claim to have phoned the funeral home (A post from a compromised bitcointalk account is not proof of life).

Thanks for feeling the need to strikethrough the s in my "flags" post. There is actually two flags so you're immediately wrong there and shouldn't be changing the text in my quote to something that is easily proven false.
FLAGS:
Yours - not correct format
Not yours - the correct format and I have supported it

From what I've seen you're actually quite an investigator and I'm very surprised you were caught with your pants down on this one. Unfortunate really. To be fair I voted No in your poll whether funds from the alt thread should be donated.

Stolen... by whom?  A scammer?  The scammer has no right to them, don't you think?


That much is true.  I'm looking forward to you supporting the Flag.

You can't donate to a man on his death bed and call them stolen. Besides nutildah claimed here and here that they had some sort of higher knowledge and assured everyone that a relative would receive the funds.
Hopefully it was actually Bruno speaking with nutildah and not the hacker/compromised account pegging them as an easy mark for their upcoming bitcoin100 scam attempt.

TECSHARE has provided sufficient proof that everyone should believe Bruno has passed on. Bruno stated he had to dictate his posts through a voice to text generator.. do you really think he would be able to get onto an exchange, 2FA, password, email confirmation and everything else involved with trading BTC to USD and then log into his bank account and accept a deposit.. all with Google Voice to Text? There should have been a trustworthy intermediary that was dealing with this, not a severely disabled man nearing certain death. Any coin sent should have been considered burned, not once did Bruno say that family had access to his keys.
Luckily somebody did and lets hope that this somebody wasn't the same person involved with the post mortem scam attempt otherwise the funds probably weren't used for the reason they were donated.

The flags only serve to show that nobody should be dealing with these accounts as there is a bad actor on the other end of the Phinnaeus Gage account/mobile now.