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legendary
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
You can't really blame trading for the mistakes you've made yourself, it's you who wasn't knowledgeable or experienced about the market and couldn't handle the trades very well which is probably why you had to face losses, and I'm pretty sure that you gave up after a single loss which is why you say that gambling and trading are similar which is not true. Even if you are making short-term trades, you can still manage to gain significant profits over time.

I second your belief that trading and gambling are not the same.  When a person do trade without knowledge on what he is trading, it is considered to be an act of gambling because he tends to gamble his money and relies only on luck without using the mitigating factor that is available in trading.  But this action does not conclude that trading and gambling is the same because in their true essence, trading have many factors that can mitigate or remove the risk factor of the activities while gambling has no means to lower down the risk.

Gambling is totally dependent on your luck while trading requires knowledge and experience, and it isn't necessary for someone to have all their trades ending with profit, you will face losses as well but it is not like gambling where your losses will surely be more than your wins in the long run.

There are gambling that also relies on skill but the risk factor is still greater than trading because the uncontrolled variable is added to this gambling games in order to nullify the skills a person who is betting has.  Life for example in a boxing match, sportsbooks add certain options like being KO'ed in a certain rounds or winning through decisions that make the risk of losing way higher.
On simply just making use of your own common sense then you can directly spot out on what are the main differences on which gambling and trading could have. Yes, both have some risks but the level of risks

would really be totally different and this is something that determines whether it would really be that something worth for you to deal with or it depends on what are the intents you do have in mind
whether you are thinking up for some investment type of mindset or would really be go for leisure. We arent that too dumb not to determine on which things do really fit out on that criteria
or wont really be able to point out fingers on which thing that suits out with your interest or intent. Both things could really give out that kind of opportunity for you to make
money but of course it would really be talking about different field since gambling and trading is really just that not the same and something that needs up that separate intent
basing up on what you do have in mind.

You've made quite a good post here it's just terribly structured. Sentences are continuing 2 line breaks away at some points!

You are completely right though; Intent, Leisure/investment, and and I think, expectations as well, all determine if we are aiming to gamble or trade (in a market or on a casino platform). An investing mindset is not going into a casino. A leisure mindset probably will (or an exchange with extremely high margin, lol).
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
You can't really blame trading for the mistakes you've made yourself, it's you who wasn't knowledgeable or experienced about the market and couldn't handle the trades very well which is probably why you had to face losses, and I'm pretty sure that you gave up after a single loss which is why you say that gambling and trading are similar which is not true. Even if you are making short-term trades, you can still manage to gain significant profits over time.

I second your belief that trading and gambling are not the same.  When a person do trade without knowledge on what he is trading, it is considered to be an act of gambling because he tends to gamble his money and relies only on luck without using the mitigating factor that is available in trading.  But this action does not conclude that trading and gambling is the same because in their true essence, trading have many factors that can mitigate or remove the risk factor of the activities while gambling has no means to lower down the risk.

Gambling is totally dependent on your luck while trading requires knowledge and experience, and it isn't necessary for someone to have all their trades ending with profit, you will face losses as well but it is not like gambling where your losses will surely be more than your wins in the long run.

There are gambling that also relies on skill but the risk factor is still greater than trading because the uncontrolled variable is added to this gambling games in order to nullify the skills a person who is betting has.  Life for example in a boxing match, sportsbooks add certain options like being KO'ed in a certain rounds or winning through decisions that make the risk of losing way higher.
On simply just making use of your own common sense then you can directly spot out on what are the main differences on which gambling and trading could have. Yes, both have some risks but the level of risks

would really be totally different and this is something that determines whether it would really be that something worth for you to deal with or it depends on what are the intents you do have in mind
whether you are thinking up for some investment type of mindset or would really be go for leisure. We arent that too dumb not to determine on which things do really fit out on that criteria
or wont really be able to point out fingers on which thing that suits out with your interest or intent. Both things could really give out that kind of opportunity for you to make
money but of course it would really be talking about different field since gambling and trading is really just that not the same and something that needs up that separate intent
basing up on what you do have in mind.
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You could be a good trader but how sophisticated your trading tools are is what will push you into a higher level of trading guru, it's mostly about the tools you use, every other things can be learned by everyone, if I were you I won't underestimate the trading tools.

You want to be a successful trader? You must be prepared to spend money on trading tools, this is why makes trading more reliable than gambling, all you have to depend on is the tools, and respect for the charts.

With gambling, you are too vulnerable to loses because it's you and the house, there is no tools or strategy that can make you a better gambler, all you have to rely on is your luck, and since this is the way with gambling, I've decided to always be a responsible gambler, and use what I am ready to lose in gambling. It makes sense to use all your might, money and  skills where its required, and that's in trading, not gambling.
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What’s your take? Does day trading seem more of a gamble compared to a straight-up coin flip
What makes you think that way? If you're going to day trade without knowledge about it and just going with the flow, picking random coin and then waiting for a miracle, that's gambling.

But if you have knowledge and aware of what you're doing, has a skill and strategy to execute for a better result, it's different to coin flip. Coin flip is gambling, not complicated and no special skills needed. Just shows gambling and trading are different. Though they have similarities depending on the trader's style on how he/she trade.
That's true because what differentiates trading from gambling or coin flips is knowledge, skills, and strategies that can help someone get good results in trading. If someone can't choose the coin and just randomly waits for a miracle, that's gambling, as you said. But often, someone who trades using such methods can make a profit because they have good luck in trading. But they don't apply it to gambling because they might experience losses more often. However, these methods cannot or are difficult to apply to daily trading because the movement of the coins also varies and requires skill to find the right coin.
legendary
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What’s your take? Does day trading seem more of a gamble compared to a straight-up coin flip
What makes you think that way? If you're going to day trade without knowledge about it and just going with the flow, picking random coin and then waiting for a miracle, that's gambling.

But if you have knowledge and aware of what you're doing, has a skill and strategy to execute for a better result, it's different to coin flip. Coin flip is gambling, not complicated and no special skills needed. Just shows gambling and trading are different. Though they have similarities depending on the trader's style on how he/she trade.

Exactly that's why they think its a gambling since they just pick those coins without doing any research. But if they just simply do some little analysis on picking the best coin I guess for that they can't call it the same thing. But its still up for him what he calls it since no one can provably change his mind if he believe that trading and gambling is just the same. What important matter here is he or we enjoy what we do and we have goals to reach using the strategy we use while executing any of those options.

But if they are experienced on both categories for sure he might will not create this kind of thread and compare it.
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What’s your take? Does day trading seem more of a gamble compared to a straight-up coin flip
What makes you think that way? If you're going to day trade without knowledge about it and just going with the flow, picking random coin and then waiting for a miracle, that's gambling.

But if you have knowledge and aware of what you're doing, has a skill and strategy to execute for a better result, it's different to coin flip. Coin flip is gambling, not complicated and no special skills needed. Just shows gambling and trading are different. Though they have similarities depending on the trader's style on how he/she trade.
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both fields are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
The tin line between gambling and trading is that,  in gambling, you tend to depend heavily on your lick to win the games in most cases,  but that is not so in trading most especially in crypto trading where you have to analyze the market and make use of a lot of trading tools to determine what the best position open your trade and the right leverage to use in doing so,  this key difference has set the boundary between trading and gambling.

And even though we have a few gambling games like poker that requires some level of skills,  it still boils down to one single fact that gambling outcome still rely heavily on luck and trading rather than trying lore on the skills of the trader. M
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more

Gambling to tradititonal casino games or in general games of chances is not like playing stocks and shares, however, you can actually make them the same thing if you simply ignore any basic trading rule or you are not into the deal of trading. In any case, for most people this is true, as trading requires an understanding that starts with believing that it is actually not a game of chance.
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I'll say, gambling is all about your self-built potentials... And I think it's more about luck cus why not?? What's the probability of the other person on the coinbar not winning at the end of the day??.. almost nothing.
I think trading is way-more different; from the steps to analyze daily entries, to the entry itself... I can't assure anyone about boom and crash market volatility and speculations.. I feel it's predominantly manipulated, but as for crypto Trading? It's the safest I know so far. So I'd still say gambling isn't to be compared to trading..

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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
You can't really blame trading for the mistakes you've made yourself, it's you who wasn't knowledgeable or experienced about the market and couldn't handle the trades very well which is probably why you had to face losses, and I'm pretty sure that you gave up after a single loss which is why you say that gambling and trading are similar which is not true. Even if you are making short-term trades, you can still manage to gain significant profits over time.

I second your belief that trading and gambling are not the same.  When a person do trade without knowledge on what he is trading, it is considered to be an act of gambling because he tends to gamble his money and relies only on luck without using the mitigating factor that is available in trading.  But this action does not conclude that trading and gambling is the same because in their true essence, trading have many factors that can mitigate or remove the risk factor of the activities while gambling has no means to lower down the risk.

Gambling is totally dependent on your luck while trading requires knowledge and experience, and it isn't necessary for someone to have all their trades ending with profit, you will face losses as well but it is not like gambling where your losses will surely be more than your wins in the long run.

There are gambling that also relies on skill but the risk factor is still greater than trading because the uncontrolled variable is added to this gambling games in order to nullify the skills a person who is betting has.  Life for example in a boxing match, sportsbooks add certain options like being KO'ed in a certain rounds or winning through decisions that make the risk of losing way higher.
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
You can't really blame trading for the mistakes you've made yourself, it's you who wasn't knowledgeable or experienced about the market and couldn't handle the trades very well which is probably why you had to face losses, and I'm pretty sure that you gave up after a single loss which is why you say that gambling and trading are similar which is not true. Even if you are making short-term trades, you can still manage to gain significant profits over time.

Gambling is totally dependent on your luck while trading requires knowledge and experience, and it isn't necessary for someone to have all their trades ending with profit, you will face losses as well but it is not like gambling where your losses will surely be more than your wins in the long run.
Even on just trying out to mind and compare on both things about whats gambling and whats trading, then you could really see the significant difference among the two on which we can say that trading could really

be only called as gambling on the time that you dont really make out any analysis towards your trading dealing because we know on how crucial is on making out those analysis before you would make out those positioning which it is really that totally different when you do gamble literally with those games which it doesnt really require out such thing unless if you are dealing with strategic type of gambling then
it is really that significant that analysis and experience does really have an advantage.

Both things have risks but in speaking about longer aspect or something that could bring out fortune if done well and smartly, then trading is really that something
worth that you should really make yourself that dealing with but in speaking of leisure then we know on where we do make ourselves
that touch up.
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Day trading is not similar to gambling, in day trading the person studies the market a lot, does a lot of technical and fundamental analysis of the market and then buys and when buying the person puts stop - loss which allows the person to be able to buy and when the forecast is wrong and the price drops, that person will only lose a little money. There are very good strategies for making money trading and reducing money losses, but in general day trading is less risky than gambling. just ask ourselves how many people became addicted to gambling and how many people became addicted to day trading and we will see that the number of people addicted to gambling is a much greater number than the people who do day trading

and in my opinion this difference in the number of people addicted to gambling is a much greater number than the people who are addicted to day trading (I confess that I have not yet seen anyone saying that person X or Z became addicted to day trading) if This is due to the fact that in day trading people know that they are not going to make a lot of money, even a beginner when they enter day trading immediately realizes that they are not going to make a lot of money. for example: if a person puts $400 on an exchange to do day trade, it would take months for that person to make a 2x profit, that is, it could go more than 4 or 6 months without the $400 becoming $800

The only option a person would have in trading to get a profit of 2x or more than that would be to do hodl, and this is something that also forces the person to have patience and hold on for a year or years. Now when we look at games of chance, people immediately come across games that have a multiplier of 2x to 35x or if the person places sports bets they will easily see games with odds of @2.00, that is, in the game of chance, place $400 and have lucky, the person would easily have more than $800 in a few hours. but if that person is unlucky, then in a few hours they will easily lose all 400$ whereas in day trading even if the person were a complete amateur it would take months to lose all 400$

Well, many people tend to confuse trading (whatever its aspects) with gambling, some people believe that because some trading options are fast, such as futures, binary options, it is like gambling and it is not like that, things are usually different, for example when entering a casino the chances of winning are very random, it may be that you can win at once with a large bet or you may not win at all, it is luck, it is randomness, in rtrading there are many other things with work, there is fundamental analysis, technical analysis, a lot of mathematics, many things that have to do with the main reason of doing an analysis to win in a certain time interval.

Futures trading is very simple to do, to operate, but it takes work to reach a good result, however sometimes with all that things don't go well, you slip up or you make a mistake, so you can lose money. who posted, then these types of things are what one should consider when facing a game, or trading, in trading it is more focused on doing things by knowing, if you don't know anything and leave everything to luck, Well, that's not good, because there is no profitability, there is no way to do things well.

In trading there is a lot of work, we only see the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot there to be able to reach a signal, because money that is put in is money that can be lost and that is not what we are looking for, me personally, I find it very difficult to trade futures, because there have to be many indicators, many conditions, plus the volatility is impressive, whether in futures or forex, for me it is very risky, because I am not a quick responder. , I am one of those who likes to do long-term trading, and that is just that compared to a trader of any game, the long-term game tends to lose, while the trading does not, in the long term with a good analysis you can win , do not confuse this.


Absolutely spot-on about the detailed analysis and calculated strategies in day trading compared to the raw luck in gambling. But here's a curveball: despite all the analysis and tactics, the world of day trading often feels akin to a coin toss, don't you think? It's like entering a labyrinth, with every twist and turn dictated by the capricious whispers of the market.

But you really hit the bullseye, it's indeed more than charts and patterns, it's about intuiting the market’s unpredictable pulse, which no tutorial can imbue. Yet, even with this, why can the majority of hedge funds not outperform the index? Perhaps because the market, like a moody dance partner, chooses its own rhythm, leaving even the most skilled dancers a step behind. Despite the risks and the unpredictable twists, the journey of trading is not just about the wins or losses, it’s about growing, learning, and swaying along with the market's unique beat, hoping it chooses to dance with us. A gamble? Maybe. A growth? Definitely.
Yes, I have clearly seen that many people allow themselves to be guided and read by patterns, it is something that cannot be avoided, in fact I have studied a lot in the past about the theory that I believe that if they work well and are fulfilled, it is with the theory Wyckoff where initially things usually go well, I have seen so many pattern charts that the current Bitcoin situation at the moment could have up to 10 situations that can occur, which turns out to be very complicated, but of course there are things that have to be known. do and take into consideration, for this world the world sees things in all ways, bitcoin is more accepted, online casinos now require KYC because governments somehow want to control the eproans that have cyrpto even for fun, So things when talking about bticoniy crypto have taken on more importance, for me it is one of the things that can be taken into account to be able to take it to another level, of course this is what many are referring to.

The biggest bet for me will always be based on Knowledge, that's why when they talk to me about games of chance, it is difficult to make an intelligent bet and make it happen, because of the random fact that is always there, but when we give you an account that something that can happen, for example sports betting and Tradition , for me the similarity they have is that the one who has the most wisdom and the one who makes the most money, there is no other way, this is always fulfilled and must be fulfilled, to my is the correct thing and what Can happen at Any time, that's why When you buy games of chance with gtrading, in any of its ways, you have to know a clear Difference, when it comes to slot machine games, roulette, dice , this has an uncontrollable ingredient, which is chance, perhaps in bitcoin trading the uncontrollable Ingredient , but those who know how to read it can win with that, which is volatility.
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
You can't really blame trading for the mistakes you've made yourself, it's you who wasn't knowledgeable or experienced about the market and couldn't handle the trades very well which is probably why you had to face losses, and I'm pretty sure that you gave up after a single loss which is why you say that gambling and trading are similar which is not true. Even if you are making short-term trades, you can still manage to gain significant profits over time.

Gambling is totally dependent on your luck while trading requires knowledge and experience, and it isn't necessary for someone to have all their trades ending with profit, you will face losses as well but it is not like gambling where your losses will surely be more than your wins in the long run.
legendary
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more

It is easy for anyone to be able to learn the basic techniques that will allow them to better view the market, rather than the default view (which the market works contrary to in my opinion). When people are fearful, be greedy. When people are greedy, be fearful, for example. A quote renowned by Buffet himself.

In the short term, trading might = gambling for a complete newbie. Though someone who takes the time to learn the right principles and techniques, I think that the difference in chance is incomparable to that of gambling.
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Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
Indeed I will agree with you on this because short term trading is way risky as same as gambling and believe me I have had a taste of both and the results that yeilded from both field are the particular ones am not too proud of and I wouldn't ever advice anyone who is not an expert in trading to ever even venture into it. It's more preferable to just buy little coins and save and hope for the market to boom once more
legendary
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Flipping and leaving things down to chance is the easy way. In turn, sometimes you will win, sometimes you will lose. Ultimately, 50/50 results in long term even events. Even wins, even losses. With casinos, this goes down as low as 35%/65%. In online casinos, it's generally 45%/55% or sometimes as low as 49.5%/50.5%. The result? Long term losses.

Day trading involves a lot more than just chance. It requires following principals and skill to improve the success rate. You are also competing with and against many people in many markets, not against a casino software built to always have better odds of winning than you do.

I totally get your point about the certainty of the 50/50 coin flip and the skewed odds in casinos or online platforms. Yes, day trading does require adherence to principles, a honed skill set, and a comprehensive understanding of the market dynamics. However, despite all the skills and principles, the market has its way of throwing curveballs. Considering the statistic that over the last 20 years, less than 10% of U.S. actively managed funds have outperformed the market, the odds seem grim. In day trading, you're pitted not just against a system designed for you to lose, but against global events, algorithmic trading, and massive financial institutions, making the playing field more uneven than it might initially appear. The complexity, the competition, and the unpredictability could make day trading feel like more of a gamble than a game of chance.

I agree. Committing to making day trading work is a risk feet, generally it isn't successful. However short term investing seems to work a lot more successfully in comparison, as this way there is time to ride out volatility, do more accurate analysis with higher time frames and make adjustments based on changing fundamentals and circumstances.

Day trading & gambling do have similar features. Short term investing in blockchain does trump both of the latter I believe.
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September 30, 2023, 04:43:26 AM

I don't understand why some members keep insisting on comparing trading to gambling and are totally convinced they are not different from each other. First, gambling is an entertainment activity while trading is a sort of investment or a job if you like.
Second, gambling is based mainly on luck while trading is based on specific skills and experience.
It's true that you can win or lose on both of them but they are not the same and for each of them the possibilities of winning or losing depends on totally different factors.

Those who compare trading and gambling to be the same may be right in their own view and that is because they see both as losing and winning enterprise and none of them is perfect in giving a daily bread and to that extent they could be stating the fact as it were. It is only few traders that can win more both not so regular. The difference that I have read some professionals say is the ability to reduce the probable loses that you can incur in trading but that is absent in gambling. In gambling sometimes after you have clicked your staking then you realise a mistake but you can't correct it or reduce it so you only wait for luck at the end of the day on that stake, to win or to lose on it.
Gambling and trading are always compared because of the risk associated with both of them because in both trading and gambling, you can lose all your money in a go and that is why most people compare both of them to rank them the same since their risk levels are are same.
But in operation both are different and in most cases are referred to as coins with opposite faces, so for such an avoidable bad experience, you need to risk what you can afford to lose and be okay with.

I see your point about the risk levels in both gambling and trading being similar, and your analogy of them being like two sides of the same coin is quite apt. The aspect of potential loss in both activities is indeed a shared characteristic that can’t be ignored.

Yet, pondering upon it, maybe it's not too far-fetched to categorize intra-day trading as a form of gambling, akin to playing Poker or flipping a coin. This doesn’t devalue the skill, strategy, and analysis involved, just like in Poker, but highlights the substantial element of uncertainty and risk.

Your perspective is invaluable, and it might be an intriguing exploration to collectively consider if intra-day trading is, at its core, a gamble. And if we do settle on this, the ensuing discussion could very well be a fascinating delve into what form of “gambling” suits different people best. What do you think? Would love to hear more from you and others on this angle!
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September 30, 2023, 04:38:40 AM
Absolutely, I see your point. Shifting the perspective to a game like Rock Paper Scissors or even Poker, where analysis and prediction play roles, adds a new layer to the conversation. Yes, you can apply some form of technical analysis to make predictions in these games. However, would you count winning in these scenarios as trading? They do involve skill and analysis like trading, but they lack the financial markets' complexity, global impact, and economic indicators. The comparison is thought-provoking, yet the distinctions still remain significant.
That's it, you've said it.

There's no financial market with these gambling games and that's like comparing oranges to apples. It's like a complete world to get comparing these two dimensions.

Gambling and trading, IMO, this is going to be an unstoppable discussion. Because everyone will reason out the risk and analysis are like both the same with these two but then again, the argument will go like oranges and apples.

You've painted quite the vivid picture there, comparing the debate to an endless discussion about apples and oranges. I appreciate your perspective on the stark differences between gambling and trading.

Now, to add a twist to this fruit salad, would you agree that intra-day trading bears a resemblance to playing games like Rock Paper Scissors or Poker (without the house edge)? If you find alignment with this notion, perhaps it's time for us to shift this conversation to a new terrain. Let's explore what proves to be more beneficial, entertaining, and offers a better overall experience. Shall we weigh the aspects of fun, health, happiness, and getting more bang for the buck in each domain? Your insights on this angle would add a fresh zest to this ongoing debate!
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September 30, 2023, 04:35:18 AM
I don't understand why some members keep insisting on comparing trading to gambling and are totally convinced they are not different from each other. First, gambling is an entertainment activity while trading is a sort of investment or a job if you like.
Second, gambling is based mainly on luck while trading is based on specific skills and experience.
It's true that you can win or lose on both of them but they are not the same and for each of them the possibilities of winning or losing depends on totally different factors.
Trading also requires a good dose of luck to go your way though skills definitely help here unlike gambling where you are 100% dependent on luck. However, there are games like poker etc where skill helps along with luck.

This is why trading and gambling are actually pretty similar in more ways than one if you think about it.

On some instances you really need some luck to win on the trades you set but you should never rely on that because if you just trade without doing analysis of some sort of latest events and doing some simple fundamentals then maybe you are at huge risk to lose your money. You need to spend some time or attention on trade to get some better result so if you don't have time to monitor each movement then maybe guess that trading is not for you or those people who's busy on other personal matters.

But still we choose to gamble because the fun factor is so different since dealing with certain risk especially playing along side with your friends is somehow giving us more better experience.

I couldn't agree more with your perspective on the necessity of analysis and understanding in trading. You’re spot on about the importance of not relying solely on luck and the significant role of attentiveness and analysis in achieving better results in trading. However, I'm particularly addressing a specific group here - short-term, intra-day traders who lean heavily on technical analysis without a deeper understanding of the investments they are making. They may not have substantial knowledge about the companies or the current news that could affect the stocks they are trading. These individuals might have been lured by a flashy YouTube course promising quick riches without delving into the comprehensive study and analysis that seasoned investors undertake. For this group, the simplicity and transparency of a coin flip might indeed be a more fitting and honest gamble, underscoring the contrast with true investors who dedicate time and effort to understand and analyze their investments thoroughly.
Realizations made would really be entirely be only known in the end of the line or something on the time that they would really be experiencing some issues or errors because of what they had just made.
In todays world or era on which informations could really be passed up so easily on which you are really that exposed in tons of information which been shared but the issue on here whether those things are realistic
or something delusional and since we are really just that complete new or noob into this industry or market then you would definitely be molding up with those false impressions which would lead
into those unrealistic targets just because you had seen up somewhere into those people who do earn.

If you dont really make yourself that something mindful about those realistic approach or on what things should be done then you are really that prone to errors which might cause losing of money.
If you dont really be making yourself that wise then you do know on whats next. Dont let yourself just simply wait for those things to happen but rather act accordingly or
something that do talks about being versatile and able to adapt.

Your remarks indeed sound like a heartfelt motivational speech and bring forth some crucial considerations about the influx of information in today’s world. The issue of discerning realistic information from delusion is indeed a serious challenge for newcomers in the trading world. Could you perhaps share any real-life examples to elucidate your point further?
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September 29, 2023, 07:14:53 PM
Absolutely, I see your point. Shifting the perspective to a game like Rock Paper Scissors or even Poker, where analysis and prediction play roles, adds a new layer to the conversation. Yes, you can apply some form of technical analysis to make predictions in these games. However, would you count winning in these scenarios as trading? They do involve skill and analysis like trading, but they lack the financial markets' complexity, global impact, and economic indicators. The comparison is thought-provoking, yet the distinctions still remain significant.
That's it, you've said it.

There's no financial market with these gambling games and that's like comparing oranges to apples. It's like a complete world to get comparing these two dimensions.

Gambling and trading, IMO, this is going to be an unstoppable discussion. Because everyone will reason out the risk and analysis are like both the same with these two but then again, the argument will go like oranges and apples.
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