Topic: FLYP tumbler Pending issues HELP needed! Reward 200$ (Read 247 times)

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The problem is now solved probobly cause the fee's dropped, How ever its a bit frustrating that they didnt set the fee with some margins.
Thank u all for the help and input and a special BIG thanx to LoyceV for his help and guidelines.

Moderator could delete this topic if possible since the problem is solved!

I searched on Google and did not find a mixer with this name. Do you mean https://flyp.me/en/? If so, then I think they are somewhat reliable and they may have a problem with estimating fees.
Therefore, if you are not in a hurry, contact them if the transaction has an RBF flag, or use CPFP, as I do not expect to see fees less than 30 sat/vB soon.
In any case, it is not a mixing service and will not enhance your privacy, and I do not think that they have BTC to BTC  same blockchain exchange service, so posting the link to that tumbler may be it is a scam service.

Flyp is an instant exchanger, not a tumbler so it is fine to mention their name. Your transaction was probably sent right before that wave of BRC-20 token spam caused a large spike in fees. From what I can see, fees have already dropped to the low 40 sat/vB level and a transaction which matches your fee was confirmed several minutes ago as well as its descendant.

Currently there's only one pending transaction that pays exactly 15,323sat fee and I found it. It was first seen two days ago according to mempool.space and blockchain.com says something of broadcasted approx. Sat Jan 13 2024 09:45 UTC. Fee rate from tumbler is 40.3sat/vB and likely OP's transfer from his wallet A to wallet B, which is a CPFP, paid a fee rate of 60.2sat/vB which gives an effective fee rate for the yet unconfirmed tumbler payout of 44.8sat/vB.

The transaction from wallet A to B doesn't have RBF enabled, so further options are rather limited as only fullrbf enabled nodes would accept a new transaction for spending the unconfirmed UTXO of wallet A with some significantly higher fee to bump the overall effective fee rate of this CPFP chain.

Depending on how urgent the transaction from wallet A to B is, I would simply wait a few more hours or days as there's some chance for it to simply get confirmed as is. Current lowest confirmed fee rate in recent blocks was somewhere in the ballpark of low 50s sat/vB. Though current block 825925 is quite "delayed" and thus has higher fees.


If I didn't find and pick the wrong transaction, I have no idea where OP has the detail of a fee rate of 15sat/vB. I may be blind...
(I deliberately didn't disclose the transaction hash I found, but it's no rocket science to find the transaction with the nice filters of blockchair.com)

Judging by the way fees are dropping, that may actually happen today.

I checked: ViaBTC charges $270.

Some people claim that they have an account with access after becoming a sponsor so it must be working.
But reason for the waitlist is unknown.

Okay, so one of his option is to wait for the average fee rate to drop below 44sat/vB.
Last week, transactions with even lower fee rate than his got confirmed so he just needs to be patient.

Or if he want it to confirm faster, paying for a legit accelerator services will be expensive for 1000vB+200vB (approx) transactions.
He will have to pay about $500 to those pools.

So either they don't have the connections yet, or they don't want to earn money? That's weird for such a service.

I discussed this with OP, but he doesn't feel confident handling private keys and manually doing this in another wallet. Wallet B can't do anything.

It's his own transaction from 'Wallet A' to 'Wallet B';
Wallet A used the UTXO from the received txn from the tumbler to send that transaction, effectively bumping its effective fee rate.

mempool.space's accelerator needs an account and it need to be activated by them,
mine which was registered about a month ago is still in their "waiting list".

They don't usually drop transactions in that online wallet, even after the 14days default nor even after it reached the bottom of a default mempool size.
Don't expect it to be dropped without any intervention from the sender, they'll have to spend its input to effectively "cancel" it.

You can just create a CPFP transaction to the unconfirmed transaction that's sent to wallet B.
The issue is if Wallet B supports it or if you can at least export its seed phrase (12/24 words) to be able to import to a wallet that can do it.
Example, if you can a manage to import it to Electrum: all you have  to do is to right-click on the unconfirmed transaction and select "Child pays for parent"
to create a children transaction with very high fee rate, then 'sign' and 'broadcast' it.

Now I get it... it's maybe other users who transfered their tumbled coins with a CPFP transaction with significantly higher fees and which bumped the effective fee rate of the tumbler's payout transaction from initially way too low 15sat/vB to ~44sat/vB. The tumbler pays the finally mixed coins to various users which used the tumbler.

Still pretty lame from FLYP to initially use an under current fee market conditions way too low transaction fee rate of 15sat/vB.

I don't know FLYP and won't use it if they have such a bad fee estimation. It shouldn't be the responsibility of their customers to bring the payout transaction to a fee rate that has a chance to confirm within a reasonable timeframe.

The tumbler is flyp. I've read some people have bad experience with them but they have allways worked fine for me and many others i know.
I did not bumbp any effective fee rate, i just sent coins to the tumbler with high priority and they tumble and send back but this time with too low fee for it to go thru fast.
Strange thing is that i tumbled maybe half that amount same day without any problems, you cant choose the fee on the transaction flyp is sending out when you tumble, and there is no refund adress put it, so i am thinking what will happend if the transaction gets canceled, the tumbler keeps the money? Since there is no refund adress.

I have contacted the tumbler wich they should be able to do something but no reply yet. I belive they should be able to cancel the transaction since it has 0 confirms, but need to wait and see what their reply will be.
As mentioned they have worked like a charm every time...before this one...

Im amazed they send the tumbled coins out with a 4 times lower fee than needed...

You can say the name of your tumbler unless its name is its web address without violating any mixer forum policy.

The last time when a fee rate of ~15sat/vB was confirmed was around beginning of November 2023. And if I understand you correctly you bumped the effective fee rate to ~44sat/vB with your CPFP transaction.

I would not say that the tumbler did a good job to send your mixed coins with such a low fee rate of 15sat/vB as this wouldn't confirm anytime soon at current and near past fee market situation. As user of this tumbler, do you have any control over the sending fee rate? If not, stay away from such a poorly designed tumbler.

An effective fee rate of ~44sat/vB would likely have been confirmed in the last few days before January 13th 8am UTC.

Right now you need roughly 4x of that and who knows in which direction the required fee rate for a timely confirmation will go.

That means their transaction size is around 1000 bytes. If that's all there is, creating a new transaction for CPFP could work. Current fees are rising again, you'll need to pay more than 100 sat/vbyte on average to get it confirmed any time soon. That means paying about 0.001 BTC in fees from one of the outputs of this transaction could work, but you'll need to count all unconfirmed bytes in your transaction chain to get a more accurate number.
If the sender has many more unconfirmed parents, it can get much more expensive.

Maybe. Maybe not. I haven't tried.

It doesn't look like 15 sat/vbyte is going to be enough any time soon.

It says:
effective fee rate 44 sat/vB
while the fee from the tumbler is aprox 15 sat.

If i understand it correct the tumbler site have done their part of the job and sent it to wallet "A" it is duo to the low fee 15 sat it is unconfirmed.
But how long of a confirmation time can i expect if the effective fee rate is 44 and my current fee is 15.

I can choose to accelerate it thru mempool.space but will that even work?
What do you think should i give it 1 more day or will this not show up to wallet "A" since it hasnt been confirmed over 2 days?

Dont really care about the fee to pay IF the accelerate option is working, i just need to get this transaction done in one way or another. cost of fee will not be an issue.

It can be low of the size of the transaction is very high. At the current network state you need approximately 130-140 sats/vbyte to get a transaction confirmed quickly.

Besides the payment, be careful what personal information you share with those that claim they "can help" you fix your transaction. As much as is possible, keep your communications public and only share non sensitive information.

- Jay -

The incoming unconfirmed transaction from Tumbler to wallet A may not be the only unconfirmed parent of the transaction to wallet B.
It may have an unconfirmed parent as well.

If you're willing to use a blockexplorer to see the "effective fee rate" of all the bundled unconfirmed parent and children transactions,
Use mempool.space and search using the txid of any of the transactions.
There, you'll be able to see if there are even more unconfirmed ancestor transactions and the important effective fee rate of the CPFP txn bundle.
Click "CPFP !" to see how many unconfirmed transactions are bundled with yours.

If there are lots of transactions in the list, that's the cause of the issue and performing (expensive) CPFP to the last transaction is your solution.
Depending on the wallet, steps to perform CPFP may be a simple feature or a complicated manual procedure.

Paste the transaction ID into a reputable blockchain explorer, for example mempool.space, and check the "Fee rate" value. It should be in sat/vB.

It depends on the transaction size. Miners look at relative fees (in sat/vbyte), and the highest ones have priority. Feel free to PM me the txid, but know that it's bad for your privacy.

I use the online wallet at blockchain.com
when i look into the history of wallet "A" there is the incoming transaction from the tumbler with 0 confirm, when i search the trans.ID for it it says the fee is:15,323SATS • $6.56 - Wich should not count as low??

in my wallet it says 0/2 confirmations.


There will be no upfront payments to new members what so ever, so i will be very careful yes, thank you for your warning tho!

What fee (in sat/vbyte) did they use?

Which wallet are you using? Electrum for instance would show the transaction, but I think you'd see "-1" confirmations to emphasize it has unconfirmed parents.

Your next action depends on details of your current transaction: if your incoming transaction is small (in bytes) and doesn't have unconfirmed parents, you could use CPFP by sending a transaction with higher fee. That's easiest if your wallet A still has a change output.
On the other hand, if your incoming transaction has many unconfirmed parents, it's going to be very expensive to get confirmed. Current fees are quite high. I'd ask for your TXID, but that's bad for your privacy. So look it up yourself, for instance on mempool.space through Tor browser.

Be careful believing the PMs you may receive.