Topic: [FOFF] Jambler Signature Campaign - page 3. (Read 12339 times)

Friends, each of you received a PM / Payments for 49 week are on their way. ^{[Exchange rate: 64,000]}

Despite the fact that the campaign was suspended at this point, I was able to distribute all participants to other campaigns.

As always, it's a pleasure working with you.

This is the thread that has been used for the pizza contest during the last years: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54403124

Please write there you're funding the contest with $500, thanks.

This is another chapter in BitcoinTalk history that is closing.

In honor of that let me just post this topic here to remind us how many signature campaigns have come and gone over the years. There used to be some crazy ones like those offering 0.1BTC which is now worth $6500-$7000 , those with no post cap like Yobit (those were dark days!), the token/bounty floods and so on...

The era of mixers and mixer lookalikes seems to be forced-ending too (and I don't mean only their campaigns, yeah the Gov. is closing in)... That's just life... we gotta move on

They can't because they need someone clapping while they're doing it, and if they don't find someone they need to brag about it, if it's still not helping their ego they need to make somebody else suffer just to finally get to the tipping point. If there is a single person who thinks this is really about jambler and not some personal vendetta then I got like 1001 bridges over the  Great River of Narnia to sell to that guy!

The result of this? Make the few left that still don't see this as a 6 posts per day job quota feel too annoyed by all this shit to care about even one tiny bit and either flee or say bye bye to forums together and leave the forum only with the previously mentioned "posters", guess what will happen when the whole traffic will be copy pasting bot? Yobit, that's what! And now, victorious in vanquishing the competition you realize your prize is lying down next to him! Congratulations!

theymos is not a holy cow, and probably doesn't want to be portrayed as one as well.
Personally, I would hide such info from him, supporting the right to privacy and p2p transactions.
He is forced to do some things which he probably doesn't want to do himself and that's fine.

Those that want to make themselves bigger by putting their heads in the big bosses butthole are the ones that are the real problem.
What has to happen in a mind of an individual that makes him do stuff that's counterproductive to the society in general just so they can get some 'me' time is beyond me.

I suggest all of you rattlesnakes to sit in front of the mirror, jerk yourselves off and let the rest of us live in peace.

I don't know. But I know for sure that his position is not an easy one and I would not like to be in his shoes.
I didn't want my previous post sound harsh... I only tried to tell a scenario I consider quite likely.


I think it did.

It's terrible how the whole thing ended just too soon.. enhh, but what's even more disturbing and ambiguous would be how relatively the Royce and icopress' vendetta made way coincidentally into this... Or it didn't?
you think he didn't get some sort of low-key sanctions from the government or something? Cus a mixer is more or less one of the ways to ensure a user's privacy... how's that supposed to be disturbing? except the fact that the former would just keep making endeavours to breaking the system's pseudonymity/decentralization.
^{[aren't there other ways of fighting against money laundering cases]?}

I had a feeling that Jambler would be "lumped in" with traditional mixers sooner or later.  Theymos said from the beginning that it was a borderline case.  Honestly didn't expect the campaign to be able to run for long, so this doesn't really come as a shock.  Even if you outsource the actual mixing function to third parties, the end result is largely the same. 

It was nice to be able to advocate for privacy for just a little longer, though. 

I did know Jambler did the mixing in the background, if that's what you're asking. However, end-clients use other sites to mix, such as Mixtum, not Jambler per se, and partners don't use Jambler to mix in the first place. So, it doesn't fulfill all the criteria to treat it as a mixer.

BitcoinGirl literally said:

I'll just say that nothing surprises me when it comes to the obvious malice and envy that some forum members have shown publicly (and probably privately) for years when it comes to mixers. I well remember how they "protested" because the participants in the CM campaign had excessive pay rates, up to how they "celebrated" when it was banned - and I have no doubt that some forum members had their share in this with the reports they sent to everyone they could.

And no, I'm not writing any of this for money (I didn't spend a single satoshi from this campaign), but it's unfortunate that some members of the forum are fighting so fiercely against privacy, and it's been proven that mixers were mostly used for this very purpose, and only a small part related to transactions that are disputed.

It's sad to see that the people who should understand such things best are actually working in favor of a system that has been fighting against Bitcoin since its inception.

No, I did not do that. On the contrary, I was against banning mixing services from day one. You can read my posts on that topic^[1]

The allegations are that you knew that Jamambler.io was doing the mixing and not the mixing platform?
Did any of the campaign members have these doubts?


I don't think BitcoinGirl.Club contacted admin if he wanted to ban Jambler he would use PM without posting anything publicly^[2].
I think we all trusted @icopress so I personally didn't visit the site F.A.Q until I saw @BitcoinGirl.Club's claims which are true.


[1] Mixers to be banned

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[2]

My impression is that he knows that Jambler is not a mixer per se, but, if some can interpret the things and consider it a mixer (of course, some members of the forum do this only because it benefits them, but wouldn't some from outside the forum think the same for the same reasons?), those* who have convinced theymos ban mixers in the first place may think the same. And theymos already "plays on the safe side" related to mixers...

However, it doesn't matter much since, as very well said...

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* This may not accurate, it may be that he just thought in advance to avoid "those" start questioning on the forum, for example. But it doesn't matter that much whether this is accurate or not, the logic stays the same.

I saw Royce contacted theymos, and I thought maybe you did too. Which claims specifically? I didn't keep up with the entire discussion made in the Jambler thread, until recently.

You know what doesn't stick to this story? That theymos had no idea how Jambler works; not even seen a single diagram. The way I see it, is that some of you bombarded him with PMs, complaining that it's a mixer and it should be banned.

I don't like questioning the admin's judgment or interest, but a single visit in Jambler would make him draw his recently drawn opinion. He either didn't visit it in December / January, or he did, but thought it didn't quite meet the criteria.

I did not contact theymos. Did you know about these claims before?

Lol.

Why don't these things surprise me?

I suppose theymos didn't have enough technical knowledge to see that Jambler is a mixer and these three have enlightened him?  

Anyway, I don't want to get too much into this, I already had enough with one of the protagonists back in the day and another one I have him on ignore.

You're a funny guy. 

Excuse me my man! What that F**k is in your mind. I was f**king in the impression that you do not have good IT education but I am wrong. I withdraw some of the assumption I made to the response on the thread in Scam Accusations. You have good knowledge about the product you are working with but you were hiding the real facts and successfully convinced all these uninformed forum members who are in the campaign to believe it's not a mixer but a software provide and BullSh**t. 🤬

Do you think you are favouring the forum by offering the major sponsor of Pizza Day? You are disgusting. You were thinking you favoured the forum when you allowed Jambler as the sponsor of bitcointalk community award knowing and understanding it is a mixer when mixers were sanctioned by the forum? You were knowingly and intentionally disrespecting the decision theymos made for the forum.

I think the Jambler team need to be punished [perhaps a negative feedback, need a collective agreement but a neutral can be given without thinking much] for scamming the idea of banning mixers on bitcointalk. This is a dishonest nature of a service that offers trust for mixing coins.

You do not lie and guide your family with wrong information.

You are suggesting them to trust you again without questioning your shrewd argument. Are you also insulting these members by questioning their ability, they are not worthy of joining any campaign managed by other managers? It sound to me you are planting an auto-suggestion in their mind to be your spokesmen.

You didn't really care about these users, the forum and even your client Jambler. if you would cared for the forum members then you would not reduce the campaign reward when all mixers moved on and Jambler did not have any advertising competitor in the forum. If you would care about your client Jambler team then you would not bring the question mark of [scamming the idea of banning mixer on the forum] now they have. If you would care for the forum then you would not disrespect the idea implemented by theymos. All you cared about is your business and it's advertisement.

You shouldn't have lied on my face. I can not remember if I ever told in public domain, my business is IT. If Jambler leaving the forum cause a major affect for the Pizza Day rewards then I am willing to fund $500. Where is the thread and who is responsible for holding the fund? Someone give me the topic link.

That being said, I will be happy, If any of my posts [1], [2] made theymos to correct his decision.
[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5491818
[2] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5491818

It's been months perhaps year, theymos and I talked to each others which is not public.

/*Edited*/

They told theymos (aka, the authority), as if it was secret all this time, lol. You can read here and here.

So, the question that arises is, how did they manage to suspend the campaign? What kind of authority did they have?


You are a great campaign manager man.

Friends, the campaign is likely to be suspended soon, for this you can thank Royce, BitcoinGirl.Club and hugeblack, who have been working hard over the past few days to present Jambler as a mixer that provides services to ordinary users .. which is not true. I mentioned earlier that a few months ago he contacted four of my active clients, and now he has decided to resort to a similar method (and it seems to have worked).


- Will I lose my job? No.
- Have we lost a major sponsor for Bitcoin Pizza Day? Yes.
- Did this user throw you under the bus? Definitely.

In any case, I can assure you that you are like family to me, so I will make sure that you all do not experience any inconvenience.

Each of you will definitely receive the highest paying slot in the campaigns to which you will be transferred. Of course, all changes will also take place automatically, and all you need to do is update your signature when you receive a PM from me.