Topic: Food crisis coming? What's wrong about it? It could be good - page 4. (Read 701 times)
Food crisis isn't just about being unable to buy food because of our financial status. It's actually a total lack of food supply which could affect both rich and poor people. Money couldn't work if that happens but in my own opinion, where's still far from that. As long as farmers and food suppliers are continuously providing food on the market, there wouldn't be a food crisis and I hope that no country would experience such a crisis.
Sorry, but every time when visit stores and see shelves full with food, employees running there and there to replenish shelves supplies, see pallets with food behind stock doors, I cant understand what is this "food crisis" everyone is talking about. Some might think that I am stupid, naive, too young and never saw real life and etc, but I dont see starving people around me. What we complaint about lately? Wheat? Can we eat other food instead? Or wheat is a direct or indirect ingredient of every other food? I think no.
If you think having money is enough to deal when the worse food crisis hits your country then I can say no and also give an example for this. Anyone read what is actually happening in Srilanka for the past few months where there is shortage for everything due to the National debt followed by hyperinflation so even people who have enough cash in their had to pay hundred dollar for basic grocery needed for an adult still there is no thing available there.
There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?
That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.
You are looking at the situation at a very short period and with a very selfish view either because your financial situation is way above average or you are too young and have never faced the real world. Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?
That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.
A large number of people in developed countries are living hand to mouth, rising prices even a little bit puts a lot of pressure on them. On top of that the food crisis is not coming alone, it is accompanied by energy crisis and other crisis. Some of it is causing businesses and industries to shut down. Imagine someone in middle class who loses their job too, now they don't even have an income to pay previous food prices let alone the increased ones.
For example 90% of Americans (a supposedly developed country) are considered middle to lower class.
The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?
Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...
That's racist. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...
Why do you think it was a solution? Because you think that the population is now too much and you want this to decrease? I think that was selfish if you want someone to suffer and die just because you think this world can become a better place if the population is much lesser.
Actually it can still become better. The problem for me is not the population but it is how people move. If they won't become lazy and work hard, and maybe study harder, they won't became poor and they can achieve that fantasy world that you are saying. For now this is a problem for someone that doesn't have a money but every problem has a solution. It's only about planning and budgeting.
Actually it can still become better. The problem for me is not the population but it is how people move. If they won't become lazy and work hard, and maybe study harder, they won't became poor and they can achieve that fantasy world that you are saying. For now this is a problem for someone that doesn't have a money but every problem has a solution. It's only about planning and budgeting.
I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?
20%, 30% is nothing... Here the cheapest cooking oil rised 200% since the beginning of the pandemic.Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?
That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.
You say it now, but after increasing your budget for food in a third, there won't be limits. After the first third, there will be other, and another... That is inflation hiting you really hard. And don't think developed countries are safe from this menace. The world has changed. Developed countries' leaders are adopting the same measures third world countries are used to. Just look the example of USA raising interest rates artificially. Typical banana's republic economical policy.The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?
Initially it's a problem, but every solutions come from an initial problem, so there might be a positive side on it, because it can be the starting point for world authorities pay attention to the fact population is growing too fast, while the resources disponible in the world continue the same.There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...
So far governments have been irresponsible, populist and demagogic. They don't care about it. If someone ventures making such proposal, he is going to be labelled with the most terrible existing adjectives. It must be someone of great courage and reason to address this delicate subject with success. 
First world countries won't experience a legitimate crisis. I consider a legitimate food crisis to be famine and starvation. Wealthy countries can hoard food imports or afford to pay a premium price for food exports. They might also limit some of their own food exports to stock up. The poorer countries won't be able to afford the premium price tag on food, and those are the countries that will suffer from extreme famine.
It's unfortunate that in a world where many in the developed world are obese or overweight that people can go without food and starve to death, but these are issues with logistics more than actually having a shortage of food.
Its the sad fact or reality on which these things cant really be felt for those people who are wealthy nor able to reside or live on a first world country which means or basically talks about those who are still developed It's unfortunate that in a world where many in the developed world are obese or overweight that people can go without food and starve to death, but these are issues with logistics more than actually having a shortage of food.
or not really good in terms of economic state will surely be having those big effects or something that could be felt.Any crisis not only limited to Food problem would really impose those kind of worrisome for people around.
But its true that our fellow wealthy people or community wont really be bothering up theirselves since they are financially capable on hoarding everything.
First world countries won't experience a legitimate crisis. I consider a legitimate food crisis to be famine and starvation. Wealthy countries can hoard food imports or afford to pay a premium price for food exports. They might also limit some of their own food exports to stock up. The poorer countries won't be able to afford the premium price tag on food, and those are the countries that will suffer from extreme famine.
It's unfortunate that in a world where many in the developed world are obese or overweight that people can go without food and starve to death, but these are issues with logistics more than actually having a shortage of food.
It's unfortunate that in a world where many in the developed world are obese or overweight that people can go without food and starve to death, but these are issues with logistics more than actually having a shortage of food.
The food crisis, of course, is what I'm worried about starting from Covid-19 and now the effect of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, of course at least this has a big influence on the food price crisis which will rise in the future, in my country the price of cooking oil has almost doubled fold, but here only the government has the right to be responsible for all of this, they must determine the welfare of their people, of course, from this food crisis, more will suffer.
I read this article about the UN warning of a global food crisis.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/23/1100592132/united-nations-food-shortages
I read this article about the UN warning of a global food crisis.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/23/1100592132/united-nations-food-shortages
I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?
That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.
The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?
There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?
That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.
The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?
There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...
Depends. If you can afford the expensive food prices, then it makes no difference for you probably. For the rest of the people, it will be a nightmare. One thing is for sure, the world is way too crowded. If the expensive food prices will solve this problem, so be it. If it is going to be the vaccines, I am OK with that too. Whatever it takes to fix the world. Otherwise rich or poor, we are all going to go insane. We simply don't need any more people. There isn't enough resources.
Yea whatever about being able to pay inflated prices for food its
another thing actually finding the food in the first place. A food
crisis doesnt necessarily mean higher prices it can also be shortages.
The worst hit will indeed be the poorer countries who rely on
food importation. Its crazy how we have become accustomed to
heading to the supermarket and nowing that what we want will
be there every time. If the supply chains are interrupted there is
actually only 3 days worth of food in the average supermarket,
after that what happens?
@Hydrogen has kind of touched on sopmething which is very important
and that is that humans have lost touch with mother Earth, the
majority of people dont realise where their food comes from and what
it contains. Personally I think its wrong that the world in general
has to be supplied with grain by a hand full of countries and this is
the price we pay for it IMO.
Although hearing it is quite gruesome, I hope it doesn't happen in any country. I really don't want it. All have the right to live in prosperity in the provision of food sources. I don't know if we have to start from scratch, but what is certain will return to state policies that prioritize local economic growth and prioritize export production carried out by the community (not from immigrants by looting).
The reason is, currently there are not a few countries with social inequality, narrowing of land, and eviction of houses making it increasingly difficult for people to make a living.
The reason is, currently there are not a few countries with social inequality, narrowing of land, and eviction of houses making it increasingly difficult for people to make a living.
We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit.
To this effect there can be control over it from government. But by creation it has been given to man to occupy and enjoy the fruits in it. The challenge is that despite population, bad leadership is the problem for Africa. Lack of proper planning is causing some of the food shortages. Some buildings are erected on land there are designated for agricultural purposes and by this it amounts to imbalance in planting processes. There is suppose to be rotational planting where some land are left for a certain time to regain nutrients but they are continually planted on because there are no adequate space. This will lead to low production of crops.
The large number of agricultural land that has turned into settlements and industries makes food more expensive, in my country more than 30% of agricultural land has changed function and now many imports of food, fruit and vegetable needs, of course this is a complicated problem that must be addressed immediately because now food has higher economic value.
this is almost the same as the conditions in the country or area that I live in now.a lot of land that used to be used for agriculture is now being converted into skyscraper buildings and some shops or factories there which make this even more difficult for the farmers.
Previously, in the area where I live, the majority of us were farmers, but now due to a large-scale conversion, some people have swerved to adjust to the current situation and the farmers in my area can now be counted on the fingers.
At least you are frank about where you stand in the issue about "overpopulation". While I'm ambivalent about it, it seems that this is the natural human state. Humans tend to instinctively have more kids when quality of life is poor so that some at least would make it to adulthood. Not to mention in mostly agricultural societies in the countryside, those children are extra farm hands. Families that choose to have less kids miss out on the free labor and are put at a disadvantage.
If there's one good thing that may come out of these conflicts, it's that people would be reminded that you can't rely on food imports.
If there's one good thing that may come out of these conflicts, it's that people would be reminded that you can't rely on food imports.
The large number of agricultural land that has turned into settlements and industries makes food more expensive, in my country more than 30% of agricultural land has changed function and now many imports of food, fruit and vegetable needs, of course this is a complicated problem that must be addressed immediately because now food has higher economic value.
It's not like telling poor countries they should starve to death, it's telling them they are going to starve to death if they don't change!
That's it. Some years ago, I knew a girl who got pregnant while being a student. That was in a rich western Europe country, welfare services could have done a lot, but she chose to have an abortion, and it was terrible to her, but she just felt unable to raise a child in the small room she was living, with her modest income. In Africa, there are women with no income at all having 5 or 7 kids. That's just irresponsible.
What's shameful is that this food crisis doesn't come from nature. There's one single person fully responsible for it, and that's Putin.
If you want to talk particularly about Africa then I've been hearing all my entire life that they have food and water shortage. There is always hunger. They are always in need of something. The common wheat problem wont affect them much. As they are much dependable from their local agriculture. I believe that they eat mostly what they produce. They are not dependable much from export. They dont care much about wheat shortage, oil and gas prices, they dont care about the current war.
So you are indirectly saying that the people from the poor countries should starve to death?
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The crisis is coming and some are better prepared than the others but that does not mean that you can ignore the plight of the other side, decreasing the population inevitably is important but how we can do is by family planning, education, not natural selection.
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The crisis is coming and some are better prepared than the others but that does not mean that you can ignore the plight of the other side, decreasing the population inevitably is important but how we can do is by family planning, education, not natural selection.
No, we're telling and we have been telling a lot of countries to not make the mistakes we have done in the past, but when we're stating facts we're seen as evil white supremacists that have some diabolical plan for Africa. Europe has been through centuries of famine, with millions of deaths and episodes of cannibalism, because we were doing the same mistake African countries are doing now, giving birth to 7 children without knowing how much food we're going to have the next year.
And further down look at the math, Europe had during the middle ages 70 million people at the peak, Africa had nearly the same in 1800, the EU has grown to 500 million and had the newest technology when it comes to agriculture, Africa has 1.2 billion and has less than 15% of it mechanized.
Who is going to feed all this unless they do it themselves?
Where is the food going to come in countries like Niger which are on the path of doubling the population every 18 years?
It's not like telling poor countries they should starve to death, it's telling them they are going to starve to death if they don't change!
The average person spends a lot of their income on food, so not sure where you’re getting that they don’t.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-much-each-country-spends-on-food/
The world has become a global village that is hyper-connected. A food crisis in Africa can trigger food and energy crisis in Europe. Most European countries depend on Africa for raw materials. Hunger and starvation in Africa can cause anarchy which would greatly affect the supply of raw materials. We saw how Niger-Delta crisis in Nigeria led to increase in oil prices and how the insecurity in Libya and Middle East triggered immigration crisis in Europe.
What logic, because the crisis in Africa was hurting Europe millions of Africans and Arabs have fled to Europe.
It's easy to say you can handle it if it's not happening or you never experienced it yet but once you taste the bitter treatment of how the inflation works you might want to change country. It's the government job to make a solution about this food crisis especially the agriculture part and tell me what good could bring to a food crisis?
It will just continue to increase the poverty in most third world country with the salary that's not above the minimum it won't be enough for them.
Overcoming this is not as easy as they imagine and what is happening today in the world has indeed made many countries experience inflation,It will just continue to increase the poverty in most third world country with the salary that's not above the minimum it won't be enough for them.
especially in the food sector it is really very influential,
the state must have a solution to suppress inflation so that it does not get worse
The world has become a global village that is hyper-connected. A food crisis in Africa can trigger food and energy crisis in Europe. Most European countries depend on Africa for raw materials. Hunger and starvation in Africa can cause anarchy which would greatly affect the supply of raw materials. We saw how Niger-Delta crisis in Nigeria led to increase in oil prices and how the insecurity in Libya and Middle East triggered immigration crisis in Europe. We should as much as possible be concerned about the well-being of others because it might directly or indirectly affect you. I never knew the invasion of Ukraine by Russia would affect me negatively but today it is.
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