This league is the best for betting on.If i earned big it is on this league
So easy to predict goals.I think all games in this round were over 1.5 goals and only 3 matches were just 2 goals
all other games were over 2.5 goals
and the avg odd for over 2.5 goals is 1.75 so this is an amazing odd .Most people dont bet on this over 2.5 goals but this league is perfect for this and to make quick money
Topic: Football in China - The Chinese Super League (Read 703 times)
Tianjin - Shanghai SIPG -> SIPG -2.25 @1.8x 8/10
Sounds like value for me, great to have you back for this season as well. I will not be watching Chinese league nowhere near as last season but I will gladly take a value tip here and there. Last season was great to fill my time in the morning while I was working from home but now I am back to working from workplace so no time for exotic leagues. I think I watched more than half of all games from China and Australia during that time. Never thought I will know that much about their football. 
New season has started, so some good odds to be found again (hopefully 
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Tianjin - Shanghai SIPG -> SIPG -2.25 @1.8x 8/10
Tianjin basically lost all their all players, they have always been in financial trouble and the global crisis didn't help with that matter. They have a super weak squad, only two very mediocre import players and are more or less a lock to relegate this season. SIPG as usual has a strong squad with those very good import players for Super League standards (Oscar, Arnautovic etc.). This should be an easy win for SIPG and -2.25 looks easily beatable. H2H from the last matches also looks good:
Source: https://www.flashscore.com/match/dYbZ6Vus/#h2h/overall
).Tianjin - Shanghai SIPG -> SIPG -2.25 @1.8x 8/10
Tianjin basically lost all their all players, they have always been in financial trouble and the global crisis didn't help with that matter. They have a super weak squad, only two very mediocre import players and are more or less a lock to relegate this season. SIPG as usual has a strong squad with those very good import players for Super League standards (Oscar, Arnautovic etc.). This should be an easy win for SIPG and -2.25 looks easily beatable. H2H from the last matches also looks good:
Source: https://www.flashscore.com/match/dYbZ6Vus/#h2h/overall
They are less interested in physical sports such as football, cricket, or basketball.
Hehe, no, they are as much interested in physical sports like any other country. It's just that they are mainly interested in other sports, which do not get that recognition in the western world, like for example Table Tennis and Badminton - these sports are huge there. And these worldwide big sports like Football and Basketball gather more interest, due to the CCP putting more emphasis on making these sports big in China via their domestic leagues. With a population of ~1.4 billion you probably have more Football and Basketball fans there than in a lot of other countries just by the absolute numbers. This is a big country, with lots of money floating around and to be made, but it takes time. Time the CCP normally doesn't have or doesn't take
And please guys don't do a full quote unless it's absolutely necessary, thanks
95% of the players earning their money in SuperLeague now had some kind of a career at a bigger european club. Once you are done in Europe and have a good name, you will get an offer from a chinese club and play there as some kind of an advertisement for this league and to raise domestic interest in it.
The chinese national team is still poor, they even often struggle against smaller asian countries (not talking about Japan or South Korea). Football just has no roots there, so you have to push it artificially, which only works to a certain extent (see USA as well). The foreign players are good and bad for the chinese players. They do learn from them, but they also often rely on them to do the work, so it's hard for them to develop properly. And in the end the CSL is still too weak to produce good chinese players, who can make international noise and then also help their national team.
Do you know any chinese player in Europe who is successful there ? I only know Wu Lei who plays for Espanyol in LaLiga2 and LaLiga before. He is doing ok there, but nothing more.
The chinese Football Association is trying a lot to form younger players, like teams having to use a fixed number of U23 players, but it's just not working. I think these players need to go to lower leagues in Europe and get developed there. The problem is, that this is a huge step for a young athlete with no guarantee of success. And you don't earn as much money there as in China.....
Big problem in China is, that everything is only measured in success/numbers. And this success has to come as fast as possible, thus giving it no time to grow organically. They just try to grow by injecting loads of money into the system without a real plan to build a strong foundation - this is fortunately not working (yet).
The chinese national team is still poor, they even often struggle against smaller asian countries (not talking about Japan or South Korea). Football just has no roots there, so you have to push it artificially, which only works to a certain extent (see USA as well). The foreign players are good and bad for the chinese players. They do learn from them, but they also often rely on them to do the work, so it's hard for them to develop properly. And in the end the CSL is still too weak to produce good chinese players, who can make international noise and then also help their national team.
Do you know any chinese player in Europe who is successful there ? I only know Wu Lei who plays for Espanyol in LaLiga2 and LaLiga before. He is doing ok there, but nothing more.
The chinese Football Association is trying a lot to form younger players, like teams having to use a fixed number of U23 players, but it's just not working. I think these players need to go to lower leagues in Europe and get developed there. The problem is, that this is a huge step for a young athlete with no guarantee of success. And you don't earn as much money there as in China.....
Big problem in China is, that everything is only measured in success/numbers. And this success has to come as fast as possible, thus giving it no time to grow organically. They just try to grow by injecting loads of money into the system without a real plan to build a strong foundation - this is fortunately not working (yet).
That is right that China has been trying hard to artificially insert football at the heart of Chinese sports. They have been trying to start interest in football to many young people and so far there has not been any good result. The part of their plan is to create 100,000 football professionals that can play the big leagues and eventually be able to give China it's first World cup win. China as far as I am concerned, seems to want to dominate on all sports.
In retrospect, it's been a few years since I was crazy about watched the Chinese Super League，remembering the most fantastic was Evergrande in 2013，that year Evergrande was virtually invincible in Asia，and the Champions of the Chinese Super League was as easy as winking.
95% of the players earning their money in SuperLeague now had some kind of a career at a bigger european club. Once you are done in Europe and have a good name, you will get an offer from a chinese club and play there as some kind of an advertisement for this league and to raise domestic interest in it.
The chinese national team is still poor, they even often struggle against smaller asian countries (not talking about Japan or South Korea). Football just has no roots there, so you have to push it artificially, which only works to a certain extent (see USA as well). The foreign players are good and bad for the chinese players. They do learn from them, but they also often rely on them to do the work, so it's hard for them to develop properly. And in the end the CSL is still too weak to produce good chinese players, who can make international noise and then also help their national team.
Do you know any chinese player in Europe who is successful there ? I only know Wu Lei who plays for Espanyol in LaLiga2 and LaLiga before. He is doing ok there, but nothing more.
The chinese Football Association is trying a lot to form younger players, like teams having to use a fixed number of U23 players, but it's just not working. I think these players need to go to lower leagues in Europe and get developed there. The problem is, that this is a huge step for a young athlete with no guarantee of success. And you don't earn as much money there as in China.....
Big problem in China is, that everything is only measured in success/numbers. And this success has to come as fast as possible, thus giving it no time to grow organically. They just try to grow by injecting loads of money into the system without a real plan to build a strong foundation - this is fortunately not working (yet).
The chinese national team is still poor, they even often struggle against smaller asian countries (not talking about Japan or South Korea). Football just has no roots there, so you have to push it artificially, which only works to a certain extent (see USA as well). The foreign players are good and bad for the chinese players. They do learn from them, but they also often rely on them to do the work, so it's hard for them to develop properly. And in the end the CSL is still too weak to produce good chinese players, who can make international noise and then also help their national team.
Do you know any chinese player in Europe who is successful there ? I only know Wu Lei who plays for Espanyol in LaLiga2 and LaLiga before. He is doing ok there, but nothing more.
The chinese Football Association is trying a lot to form younger players, like teams having to use a fixed number of U23 players, but it's just not working. I think these players need to go to lower leagues in Europe and get developed there. The problem is, that this is a huge step for a young athlete with no guarantee of success. And you don't earn as much money there as in China.....
Big problem in China is, that everything is only measured in success/numbers. And this success has to come as fast as possible, thus giving it no time to grow organically. They just try to grow by injecting loads of money into the system without a real plan to build a strong foundation - this is fortunately not working (yet).
I checked on that yesterday and saw that there are actually many foreigners already that participated in the Super League. I just wonder what their careers were before going it big time in China. Did some of them actually played in the European leagues? If so, would their experiences in Europe have made their decision to join China. Or is it the other way around, Europe doesn't have the place for them so they went to China and played there? It is no secret that China wants to win the World Cup so the foreigners are there for a reason, and that is to inspire millions to play football and eventually 100,000 of them will be pros in 10 years.
Jiangsu - Tianjin Teda -> Tianjin +0.25 @1.90
1-1 FT, half won, better than half half lost
A bit annoying, since the equalizer from Jiangsu was an own goal, but well. To my surprise there is actually a second leg for this one, so I had some wrong information here; chinese sports never fails to surprise.I am always confused if those ex world players like Iniesta are going to Japan to improve financially or was that now China?
Iniesta plays in Kobe/Japan.
99% of players go there to have a last big contract and this is often the biggest contract they ever got in their whole career
Money is no problem in China - and as it seems in Japan not as well, since Iniesta is said to earn 30mln p.a. there - and thus even average players for european standards can earn tons of money there. I remember when Sandro Wagner (no top player by no means) went to Tianjin from Bayern Munich and basically tripling or even quadrupling his salary. And he was very honest with it and said it was a financially driven decision. I guess no player goes there for the challenge, at least not for the football-ish one. But there are maybe some who like the challenge of living in a very different country, getting to know another culture, other people and a completely new lifestyle. And they are getting well paid for this adventure
Here is a little article and overview about what the very top players earn in China. Please notice that this is weekly salary
Source: https://financefootball.com/2020/05/03/top-highest-paid-football-players-in-china-2020/
And on top of that they get VIP treatment as well. Like cars, houses/flats.....
Many people do not see this competition as very strong. Still, there are still some strong players around.
I am always confused if those ex world players like Iniesta are going to Japan to improve financially or was that now China?
I am always confused if those ex world players like Iniesta are going to Japan to improve financially or was that now China?
One bet for FA Cup for tomorrow.
Jiangsu - Tianjin Teda -> Tianjin +0.25 @1.90
Jiangsu will be playing this one without any foreign players, while Tianjin has 3 of them available, which is a huge advantage and Jiangsu can't be favourite here under these circumstances. Game will be played in neutral location. Some sources say it's the first leg, but it's actually only this one game, no 2nd leg. If the game is tied after 90min, there will be a penalty shootout right away.
Jiangsu - Tianjin Teda -> Tianjin +0.25 @1.90
Jiangsu will be playing this one without any foreign players, while Tianjin has 3 of them available, which is a huge advantage and Jiangsu can't be favourite here under these circumstances. Game will be played in neutral location. Some sources say it's the first leg, but it's actually only this one game, no 2nd leg. If the game is tied after 90min, there will be a penalty shootout right away.
This is interesting! Does OP happen to know how popular CSL is in China? Also, do we have foreign bettors who are keen on placing wagers on CSL?
It's not that popular like the big european leagues and competitions, but it has gotten more interest over the last years, because a lot of well-known import players were brought into the league. That being said, there is not much interest outside of China fan-wise. The quality is still lacking overall and it's a very unique league with lots of drama behind the scenes and money plays a big role. It's not organically growing and the teams are often just toys for some big investors. The CCP has some say here and there as well of course, as in all matters in China
It's a very capitalistic league in a still officially communist country. There are foreign bettors for sure, because this league has one big advantage: The time when the matches are played
During the week there is very few kind of good football during the day for european betting people. The matches are usually played around noon/early afternoon european time and thus this attracts punters who are bored while waiting for some bigger european matches in the evening. Suzhou - Shaanxi -> Suzhou DNB @2.00 6/10.
Another interesting bet would be Guizhou 1X vs Beijing Renhe @1.95, but I won't play it.
Another interesting bet would be Guizhou 1X vs Beijing Renhe @1.95, but I won't play it.
As expected, Shaanxi wasn't really interested and Suzhou won 1-0 with an early goal in HT2.
Guizhou sent Beijing into Div3 with a 3-0 win, but as said, I didn't have a bet there, but maybe someone else was brave enough
This is interesting! Does OP happen to know how popular CSL is in China? Also, do we have foreign bettors who are keen on placing wagers on CSL?
I thought you have given up on this thread
Hehe, no, I normally keep going with the threads I open, but there might be times of silence (same with the CBA thread, where a new season has started again some time ago), when other things are more important. Doing things half-heartedly is not a good recipe when betting, you will just lose money, so better to put things on hold for the time being. And as said, China football isn't that profitable mid-season and with this new format due to Corona things were a bit different anyway.
Suzhou - Shaanxi -> Suzhou DNB @2.00 6/10. Last round in the relegation groups tomorrow and Shaanxi is already safe, while a point for Suzhou is enough to avoid relegation. Shaanxi will not bother with this one and Suzhou would probably sign a 0-0 prematch. Thus DNB is maybe not the most clever choice, 1X pays around 1.50-ish, which one can maybe parlay with some other game.
I thought you have given up on this thread
There was some unexpected (at least for me) results in play offs so I started to skip on the league as well.
Thanks for the info. This is just what I am looking for for my 5x insured & boosted parlay on Sportsbet. Just hope those odds will still be 1.5 or higher tomorrow when I can actually play it.
Didn't have a lot of time for China football recently and beginning of a season is always the most interesting/profitable anyway. There is some interesting bet for tomorrow in Jia League though, which is the second division in China.
Suzhou - Shaanxi -> Suzhou DNB @2.00 6/10. Last round in the relegation groups tomorrow and Shaanxi is already safe, while a point for Suzhou is enough to avoid relegation. Shaanxi will not bother with this one and Suzhou would probably sign a 0-0 prematch. Thus DNB is maybe not the most clever choice, 1X pays around 1.50-ish, which one can maybe parlay with some other game.
Another interesting bet would be Guizhou 1X vs Beijing Renhe @1.95, but I won't play it. Guizhou is safe as well and has been doing really good, leading the table. They have better quality, but their motivation for this one is questionable, although everyone always likes to beat the teams from the capital. Beijing are in still in danger of relegating, a draw won't be enough most likely, they have to win. Their big issue is money and the players didn't get their wages for quite some time. Hard to judge, if the players are super eager to avoid relegation. If they do, there is a higher possibility of maybe getting paid, but otoh they are probably pretty disappointed with how things went in the last weeks. Judge for yourself, if this is worth a bet
This was ages ago, but for the record, it ended 2-0 and was a push thus.
Suzhou - Shaanxi -> Suzhou DNB @2.00 6/10. Last round in the relegation groups tomorrow and Shaanxi is already safe, while a point for Suzhou is enough to avoid relegation. Shaanxi will not bother with this one and Suzhou would probably sign a 0-0 prematch. Thus DNB is maybe not the most clever choice, 1X pays around 1.50-ish, which one can maybe parlay with some other game.
Another interesting bet would be Guizhou 1X vs Beijing Renhe @1.95, but I won't play it. Guizhou is safe as well and has been doing really good, leading the table. They have better quality, but their motivation for this one is questionable, although everyone always likes to beat the teams from the capital. Beijing are in still in danger of relegating, a draw won't be enough most likely, they have to win. Their big issue is money and the players didn't get their wages for quite some time. Hard to judge, if the players are super eager to avoid relegation. If they do, there is a higher possibility of maybe getting paid, but otoh they are probably pretty disappointed with how things went in the last weeks. Judge for yourself, if this is worth a bet
Guangzhou Evergrande - Henan / Guangzhou AHC -2 @1.775 8/10
This was ages ago, but for the record, it ended 2-0 and was a push thus.
Tianjin Teda - Shijazhuang / Shijazhuang ML @2.07 4/10
No more bets involving Shijazhuang, they never do what they are supposed to do
1-1 FTA bet from Chinese Cup for today, starting in around 2 hours:
Guangzhou Evergrande - Henan / Guangzhou AHC -2 @1.775 8/10
Big bet here, since Henan will rest some players and be without any import players today from what I heard. Henan is poor anyway as I wrote above, the last results against poorer opposition and with full squad: 1-3 / 1-3 / 0-4 / 2-5. Evergrande should at least win with two goal margin (push then), but this could also be a blowout like 5-0+.
Chongqing - Hebei / Hebei -0.25 @1.83 5/10
Henan - Shenzhen / Shenzhen ML @1.94 5/10
Dalian - Shanghai Shenhua / Dalian -0.25 @1.76 4/10
Dalian - Shanghai Shenhua / Dalian -0.25 @1.76 4/10
Hebei really pathetic, even lost the game, which gives Chongqing some hope for Top4 again, 3-1 FT.
Shenzhen lead 3-0 early, 3-1 FT, no sweat.
Some bad luck again with a late goal against us in the Dalian game, 1-1 FT, but only half stake lost
These are the stats for the season so far:
Profit: +4.72
Yield: 5.55%
W-L: 9-9-1
Win rate: 50.00%
Average Stake: 4.47
Average Odds: 2.11
Not very happy with those, has to get better, but at least no loss
Tianjin Teda - Shijazhuang / Shijazhuang ML @2.07 4/10
This time a bet on Shijazhuang and not against them. According to Murphys Law, they will not win now
But they are really on a good run and 3 points in this match will bring them a big step nearer the Top4. Wuhan and Hebei have very hard matches against SIPG/Beijing, so Shijazhuang could run away a bit from those two in the table. Tianjin has nothing to play for and with 0-1-9 and 7-25 goal differential they are by far the worst team in CSL right now. These two teams will meet in a cup match on September 19th and Tianjin will probably concentrate on that one and rest some players. A 3for3 is also possible (Shijazhuang gets the 3 points in league match and Tianjin gets the cup win). First match was 3-0 for Shijazhuang earlier this season.Shanghai Shenhua - Shandong / under 2.5 @2.13 4/10
This was relatively easy, some minutes of sweating after Shanghai managed to equalize late in the game, but 1-1 FT. Playing unders is really annoying, I can literally not watch/enjoy the game
Henan - Shenzhen / Shenzhen ML @1.94 5/10
Henan is a mess right now and as it seems they will miss an important striker on top for this game. They have very slim chances to qualify for Top4, so they won't be too motivated. Shenzhen still has very good chances for Top4 and have been doing ok in the last weeks (losing to Guangzhou is nothing to be ashamed of). 1.94 is still ok, but I wouldn't place a bet if it goes below 1.80.
Dalian - Shanghai Shenhua / Dalian -0.25 @1.76 4/10
Shanghai will keep playing with only two import players, which is a huge disadvantage. Dalian has full squad and amongst them some very good import players (Hamsik f.e.). They had good results lately and are still fighting to get into Top4. With a win here, they could catch up with Shanghai. A draw is very likely (Shanghai has good defense as said before) and probably the result Shanghai is aiming for in first place, so the -0.25 gives a little bit of insurance.
Shanghai Shenhua - Shandong / under 2.5 @2.13 4/10
Not a fan of unders, but often times good value can be found (and you can often hedge inplay). Both these teams have a very good defense and as we know Shanghai is still missing their best player. They had two scoreless draws in their last 3. Shandong can potentially score a lot, but they failed to score even once in their last two matches, so they are struggling offensively and against this Shanghai defense it won't get any easier. Hopefully something like 0-0/0-1/0-2 here
Not a fan of unders, but often times good value can be found (and you can often hedge inplay). Both these teams have a very good defense and as we know Shanghai is still missing their best player. They had two scoreless draws in their last 3. Shandong can potentially score a lot, but they failed to score even once in their last two matches, so they are struggling offensively and against this Shanghai defense it won't get any easier. Hopefully something like 0-0/0-1/0-2 here
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