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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on December 22, 2023, 11:21:25 AM

Quote from: Bobrox on December 22, 2023, 03:46:56 AM

I think right club for Victor Osimhen if want to play with Premier League is Liverpool or Arsenal, both teams have good potential compete on the top position and seems next season Liverpool get opportunity for playing in Champion League than Chelsea with inconsistency performance and their current standing outside from top fourth.

Both Arsenal and Liverpool would be the right club for Osimhen. Liverpool have Salah and Nunez. There the competition for the starting 11 might be a bit tougher for him. In fact, Salah has been great this season but he is getting older and has astronomical offers from Arabia. Maybe Osimhen can take his place in the coming years. On the other hand, Arsenal have become a completely different team with Mikel Arteta. I think it's every striker's dream to play for Mikel Arteta's Arsenal. Also, I think clubs like Chelsea and Manchester United are the clubs that can interrupt the career of players like Osimhen.

In terms of competition in the team to get better playing time, maybe Liverpool will be quite difficult for Osimhen. unless Liverpool will sell some of its front players. and it is a good place for Osimhen.
Meanwhile, at Arsenal, there is also Gabriel Jesus who I am sure will not be easy for Arteta to choose or play both in different positions.
but Osimhen is still a talented young player. many teams would like to sign him if Napoli were willing to sell him. but I'm sure it won't be cheap. Osimhen has quality.

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Quote from: Bobrox on December 22, 2023, 03:46:56 AM

I think right club for Victor Osimhen if want to play with Premier League is Liverpool or Arsenal, both teams have good potential compete on the top position and seems next season Liverpool get opportunity for playing in Champion League than Chelsea with inconsistency performance and their current standing outside from top fourth.

Both Arsenal and Liverpool would be the right club for Osimhen. Liverpool have Salah and Nunez. There the competition for the starting 11 might be a bit tougher for him. In fact, Salah has been great this season but he is getting older and has astronomical offers from Arabia. Maybe Osimhen can take his place in the coming years. On the other hand, Arsenal have become a completely different team with Mikel Arteta. I think it's every striker's dream to play for Mikel Arteta's Arsenal. Also, I think clubs like Chelsea and Manchester United are the clubs that can interrupt the career of players like Osimhen.

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Quote from: rendravolt on December 22, 2023, 11:05:25 AM

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Of course Inter Miami is very happy to be able to get Luis Suarez and this can increase their exposure in MLS. With this, there are already 4 former Barcelona players who have joined Inter Miami, namely Lionel Messi, Jordi Alba, Sergio Bosquest, and most recently Luis Suarez. Now just waiting for the official announcement from Inter Miami to introduce Luis Suarez to fans.

Who cares with MLS? Tongue

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You shouldn't do that, however, MLS through Inter Miami has tried to make its league visible to everyone by bringing former Barcelona players to a team whose future is unclear apart from marketing purposes only. Roll Eyes

Well, the difference in popularity between MLS and the Saudi league is so big and it's all because MLS only puts forward one team and the signing of star players is not spread out like the teams in the Saudi league. We can admit that the Saudi league is still the best thing that can be done by several star players for the rest of their careers or even those who just want to get a big salary because they invest their funds appropriately so that the goals of Arab countries can also be realized. The rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo is still being debated even though the two are no longer in the same league and indeed this time Ronaldo's influence is very big for other European players who want to join the Saudi league team. As for Messi? Yes, it was just his old friends who came. Cheesy

Both of MLS and Saudi league are in no way comparable to popular European league. They are now in limited popularity just because of the money they are spending. Rich middle east countries are spending huge amounts on infrastructure and players for years but are yet to get any permanent football structure. US has some degree of national level framework but football has never been a priority for US.
Going for large sum of money is a norm for players at their late career and such individual approach have neither been beneficial to bring the league on focus for long nor for the players in coming back to popular leagues.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on December 22, 2023, 09:11:49 AM

Quote from: rendravolt on December 22, 2023, 08:42:46 AM

Of course Inter Miami is very happy to be able to get Luis Suarez and this can increase their exposure in MLS. With this, there are already 4 former Barcelona players who have joined Inter Miami, namely Lionel Messi, Jordi Alba, Sergio Bosquest, and most recently Luis Suarez. Now just waiting for the official announcement from Inter Miami to introduce Luis Suarez to fans.

Who cares with MLS? Tongue

Major League Soccer (MLS) 2021, the thread was created in 2021, so far there are 15 pages.
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You shouldn't do that, however, MLS through Inter Miami has tried to make its league visible to everyone by bringing former Barcelona players to a team whose future is unclear apart from marketing purposes only. Roll Eyes

Well, the difference in popularity between MLS and the Saudi league is so big and it's all because MLS only puts forward one team and the signing of star players is not spread out like the teams in the Saudi league. We can admit that the Saudi league is still the best thing that can be done by several star players for the rest of their careers or even those who just want to get a big salary because they invest their funds appropriately so that the goals of Arab countries can also be realized. The rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo is still being debated even though the two are no longer in the same league and indeed this time Ronaldo's influence is very big for other European players who want to join the Saudi league team. As for Messi? Yes, it was just his old friends who came. Cheesy

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Quote from: ajiz138 on December 22, 2023, 09:45:42 AM

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At this point I would definitely take him at Liverpool. I’d get rid of Nunez and sign Osimhen, he would score a lot of goals in this Liverpool team.

Big players don’t often move in January though so I don’t think Osimhen will be going anywhere until the summer.

Nunez was tipped to be Liverpool's great goalscorer and that wasn't the case, there were too many bobbles for Nunez to make. Grin

Rumors are that in January Osimhen will sign a contract, but hope he comes to Liverpool in the summer.

I haven't seen any ability from Darwin Nunez, even though in a crucial match Liverpool were short of players due to a red card, he scored an important goal. Osimhen has been linked with several clubs at the moment and I am also not really sure where he will go because if another offer comes to him like Real Madrid then I am sure he will choose to move to Santiago Bernabeu.

Quote from: ajiz138 on December 22, 2023, 09:45:42 AM

Since Messi moved to the MLS League and his club Inter Miami have not watched this match, although there are some veteran Barcelona players there, this league is not so interesting and different from the SPL.

For me, the league is quite boring because there is no real competition and even the arrival of several European players to MLS doesn't provide anything that makes this league more interesting and even Inter Miami is still not very stable. So news emerged about the competition between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, whose goal productivity is superior to Cristiano Ronaldo's so far.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 22, 2023, 06:40:48 AM

At this point I would definitely take him at Liverpool. I’d get rid of Nunez and sign Osimhen, he would score a lot of goals in this Liverpool team.

Big players don’t often move in January though so I don’t think Osimhen will be going anywhere until the summer.

Nunez was tipped to be Liverpool's great goalscorer and that wasn't the case, there were too many bobbles for Nunez to make. Grin

Rumors are that in January Osimhen will sign a contract, but hope he comes to Liverpool in the summer.

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Since Messi moved to the MLS League and his club Inter Miami have not watched this match, although there are some veteran Barcelona players there, this league is not so interesting and different from the SPL.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 22, 2023, 06:40:48 AM

Quote from: Bobrox on December 22, 2023, 03:46:56 AM

I think right club for Victor Osimhen if want to play with Premier League is Liverpool or Arsenal, both teams have good potential compete on the top position and seems next season Liverpool get opportunity for playing in Champion League than Chelsea with inconsistency performance and their current standing outside from top fourth.

At this point I would definitely take him at Liverpool. I’d get rid of Nunez and sign Osimhen, he would score a lot of goals in this Liverpool team.

Big players don’t often move in January though so I don’t think Osimhen will be going anywhere until the summer.

There are many clubs interested in signing Osimhen but Arsenal and Liverpool have the best potential because they are sitting on top of EPL. Furthermore, Osimhen will favor a club that will play in the Champions League next year.

Chelsea has been inconsistent with its performance and is uncertain of earning a ticket to the Champions League, but it is the most determined club. Mauricio Pochettino could persuade the management to settle the roughly $140 million transfer fee. News of Chelsea considering selling Conor Gallagher to Tottenham could be another move to open the door of an Osimhen transfer this January.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on December 21, 2023, 07:47:39 PM

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If Real Madrid comes for Osimhen he should go there as he has what it takes to succeed in the Spanish capital. I won't advise him to go to Chelsea as he will not be utilized and his potential will and he will go under the radar. Arsenal is also a good move for him but he should not dream of going to Chelsea or Manchester United.

We already heard this rumor since the previous transfer window but Osimhen never moved to Real Madrid. I think it will depend on the money offered by Real Madrid and how much money that Napoli management expected. In some media, it is stated that Napoli wants more than €200m. But Real Madrid doesn't want to pay that huge amount of money, they think it is too expensive.

Sure, it is not the right place to go to Chelsea. It is better to move to Arsenal or Liverpool if Osimhen wants to play in EPL. Arsenal and Liverpool always join the race for the title in the last few seasons. Osimhen can lead them to win the trophy of EPL. I assume Arsenal or Liverpool are very urgent to have a sharp striker like Osimhen.

The price offered by Napoli is of course very expensive because Victor Oshimen is Napoli's key player. Moreover, I'm not sure Napoli wants to let go of a player who has contributed a lot to the club so far and it looks like Real Madrid will not recruit Victor Oshimen if the price offered by Napoli is too expensive. With such a high price, of course Real Madrid would be better off choosing to recruit Haaland or Mbappe, whose potential is above Victor Oshimen.

At Chelsea, Victor Oshimen's career might fade because there the players do not have equal players, while Victor Oshimen needs other players to support him to achieve the results he hopes for if at Chelsea he is the only one who stands out and of course Victor Oshimen cannot handle it alone. And it's true as you said, if Victor Oshimen is more suited to other Premier League clubs who have greater strength and a capable squad such as Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City, if any of these clubs I'm sure Victor Oshimen can help these clubs achieve success .

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Quote from: rendravolt on December 22, 2023, 08:42:46 AM

Of course Inter Miami is very happy to be able to get Luis Suarez and this can increase their exposure in MLS. With this, there are already 4 former Barcelona players who have joined Inter Miami, namely Lionel Messi, Jordi Alba, Sergio Bosquest, and most recently Luis Suarez. Now just waiting for the official announcement from Inter Miami to introduce Luis Suarez to fans.

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Quote from: onecall123 on December 22, 2023, 08:52:53 AM

Finally escaping from that sinking ship. I've read a couple of news about Donny van de Beek's move to the Bundesliga. It's a loan deal to Eintracht Frankfurt but has an option to convert the loan move into a permanent deal next summer.
He came to Man United and almost had his career destroyed. That shows how dysfunctional the club is; such a talented footballer never got a proper chance to show what he's capable of. Hope he rediscovers his previous form and has an excellent rest of the season.

The guy only play in Ajax where the league is less competitive than Premier League, if he can't perform in Premier League, it means Premier League is too tough for him. Now he joined Frankfurt where the domestic league is completely dominated by Bayern Munich, but this season is for Leverkusen.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on December 22, 2023, 07:25:25 AM

It seems there is going to be a new player in Bundesliga and Eintracht Frankfurt soon.
According to some news, the Dutch midfielder Donny van de Beek is going to leave the Premier League and he is about to join Eintracht Frankfurt.
He is still the player of Manchester United and he was playing for Everton on a loan and now this 26-year-old player is going to play in Eintracht Frankfurt for a loan.

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/21/man-united-transfer-news-van-de-beek-all-but-confirmed-by-eintracht/

Finally escaping from that sinking ship. I've read a couple of news about Donny van de Beek's move to the Bundesliga. It's a loan deal to Eintracht Frankfurt but has an option to convert the loan move into a permanent deal next summer.
He came to Man United and almost had his career destroyed. That shows how dysfunctional the club is; such a talented footballer never got a proper chance to show what he's capable of. Hope he rediscovers his previous form and has an excellent rest of the season.

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It seems that the previous rumors that Luis Suarez would reunite with Lionel Messi have been answered and yes, after his contract ended with Gremio, Luis Suarez became a free agent and this made Inter Miami move quickly to offer Luis Suarez a contract. The results have now been confirmed that Luis Suarez will join Inter Miami for a period of one year and this also applies to the option to extend for the next season.

Of course Inter Miami is very happy to be able to get Luis Suarez and this can increase their exposure in MLS. With this, there are already 4 former Barcelona players who have joined Inter Miami, namely Lionel Messi, Jordi Alba, Sergio Bosquest, and most recently Luis Suarez. Now just waiting for the official announcement from Inter Miami to introduce Luis Suarez to fans.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 22, 2023, 06:40:48 AM

Big players don’t often move in January though so I don’t think Osimhen will be going anywhere until the summer.

There is still a possibility, if we look at the conditions in Napoli which are still not very good, I think Oshimhen could decide to leave Napoli in the winter transfer. He already feels get a champion title before, I'm sure he also wants to get more titles in his career as a football player. Move from Napoli may give another chance for him to get title again. But, if he join to Liverpool, i'm not sure he can get the EPL title very soon.

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Bayern has been targeting palhinha and it seems like that tuchel will try to sign him in the winter transfer season. Im doubting fulham will accept to let palhinha to leave from the club soon. Palhinha was one of most important midfielders owned by fulham this time.
He was able helping fulham to leave from the relegation zone too. Im doubting fulham will put cheap price for him. Tuchel really wants him but as he said in the latest interview if bayern is trying so hard to get new players to be used as a backup once the main players will be injured.
https://www.goal.com/en/lists/reinforcements-harry-kane-bayern-thomas-tuchel-working-on-new-signings-january-transfer-window/blteb70580ab984403f#cs2bf25829354dfa27

Tuchel has been spilling us if he will try to sign at least 2 players but 1 will be enough if the player has versatile positions. Palhinha has become one of potential player to be recruited by bayern soon.
I hope that he will agree to join in the bayern and leave from fulham. Bayern will offer him better place to play and he can also regularly play in the UCL as well. I hope tuchel will be working so hard to get him from fulham.
Palhinha was able contributing a lot to the club. he will be very helpful for bayern.

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It seems there is going to be a new player in Bundesliga and Eintracht Frankfurt soon.
According to some news, the Dutch midfielder Donny van de Beek is going to leave the Premier League and he is about to join Eintracht Frankfurt.
He is still the player of Manchester United and he was playing for Everton on a loan and now this 26-year-old player is going to play in Eintracht Frankfurt for a loan.

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/21/man-united-transfer-news-van-de-beek-all-but-confirmed-by-eintracht/

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Quote from: Bobrox on December 22, 2023, 03:46:56 AM

I think right club for Victor Osimhen if want to play with Premier League is Liverpool or Arsenal, both teams have good potential compete on the top position and seems next season Liverpool get opportunity for playing in Champion League than Chelsea with inconsistency performance and their current standing outside from top fourth.

At this point I would definitely take him at Liverpool. I’d get rid of Nunez and sign Osimhen, he would score a lot of goals in this Liverpool team.

Big players don’t often move in January though so I don’t think Osimhen will be going anywhere until the summer.

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Quote from: iBaba on December 21, 2023, 07:59:31 PM

My opinion suggests more of the fact that Osimhen is a reliable upcoming player in the football game right now because he has oftentimes proven that in his performance at the Napoli. He did showed that talent and forward prowess to play well when next he is to move to another big club.

I also feel he's gotten that zeal to work hard for any club he finds himself and that's kind for proactiveness that upcoming star players like him needs right now. I belive he can perform excellently in any big team he founds himself regardless of the league and season.

There are quite a few players who perform quite well and are even tipped to be future star players, but after moving clubs and being under the wrong coach, the player's abilities fade. So this will apply to Osimhen, whose performance at Napoli was quite impressive and was one of the keys to Napoli success last season. However it must be admitted that this season Napoli are not in the same condition after the change of coach. Therefore, Osimhen must be able to forge his abilities under new coach Walter Mazzarri. a challenge to develop Osimhen skills is not easy for Walter Mazzarri.

Currently, Osimhen is being discussed as suitable to play at Chelsea because Chelsea current attacking position requires a sharp, ambitious striker, but apart from that, the competition in the Premier League is different from Serie A, apart from the fierceness between teams in the Premier League. In the League, the quality of players is also almost far from what is happening in Serie A currently. Whether Osimhen can do it or not depends on how compatible he is with Mauricio Pochettino.

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Quote from: Bobrox on December 22, 2023, 03:46:56 AM

Quote from: TelolettOm on December 21, 2023, 07:47:39 PM

We already heard this rumor since the previous transfer window but Osimhen never moved to Real Madrid. I think it will depend on the money offered by Real Madrid and how much money that Napoli management expected. In some media, it is stated that Napoli wants more than €200m. But Real Madrid doesn't want to pay that huge amount of money, they think it is too expensive.

Sure, it is not the right place to go to Chelsea. It is better to move to Arsenal or Liverpool if Osimhen wants to play in EPL. Arsenal and Liverpool always join the race for the title in the last few seasons. Osimhen can lead them to win the trophy of EPL. I assume Arsenal or Liverpool are very urgent to have a sharp striker like Osimhen.

Difficult reach agreement deal for signing Osimhen because Napoli won't let his player go if transfer values under 150 million euro and most crazy values if Napoli want 200 million euro for any teams interested with Osimhen. I don't think not only Real Madrid but also many teams linked interested for signing Victor Osimhen won't pay more than 200 million euro for signing one striker and prepare waiting his contract will be expiry and get it lower values or become free agent without spent money yet.

The main problem was not in osimhen but napoli. I meant if napoli demands a lot of money for him but it's not even stright with the quality owned by the striker. Osimhen is over priced if napoli will give him 400 millions as his price tage.
Many teams linked to him but newcastle was the only club that has sent official bid even though it has been rejected by napoli but newcastle is the only club that was showing its intention to get him.
Other clubs are only seeing it without do nothing. I would like to call them have no intention to get osimhen's signature.

Quote from: Bobrox on December 22, 2023, 03:46:56 AM

I think right club for Victor Osimhen if want to play with Premier League is Liverpool or Arsenal, both teams have good potential compete on the top position and seems next season Liverpool get opportunity for playing in Champion League than Chelsea with inconsistency performance and their current standing outside from top fourth.

Those clubs are not the right club for osimhen caused by he will not be leaving from serie a. He will stay till his contract is going to be expired. It's a common thing to linked him to the various clubs but we have bunch of confirmations regarding the future of him.
That being said that if osimhen intend to extend his contract much longer than before. Im thinking about he will leave after his contract will be running out. He has no plan to leave from napoli caused by he like to stays much longer.

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Quote from: shogun47 on December 21, 2023, 04:44:54 PM

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I understand if Osimhen would like to leave Napoli and go to Arsenal as that opens the door for him to the best league in the world and to play in the Champions League next season. I doubt that Chelsea will qualify for the Champions League. It could still be a great adventure for him and I guess he would earn more than he currently does at Napoli, but it would not be real progress for him. Chelsea is not one of those clubs that dominate European football anymore. But it would make sense if he misses the CL with Napoli and has to leave anyway if he wants to go to the Premier League, but would Arsenal really be interested in him?

Indeed Victor Osimhen want to leave Napoli next season I don't heard with transfer update from Arsenal have official bid offer for signing him, there are not any teams give official bid offer for Napoli to sign Osimhen. I don't sure with many top teams are interested for signing Victor Osimhen but they can't give official bid offer with high transfer fees and make Napoli will priority which on team are seriously for signing their player. For Napoli not really important about teams interested with Osimhen participants in Champion League or not but depend on which one teams give higher fees transfer.

For winter transfer window seems bit difficult for Osimhen leaves Napoli, I think next season will see which one team have bigger chance for signing Osimhen will Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United or Real Madrid.

I think there is no point in making a bid yet as both sides are waiting to see how Osimhen develops over the coming months. Napoli is of course hoping that he will soon continue to score all the time and that would give them a better position for any negotiations. But who knows, maybe some clubs have their eyes on him and wouldn't be sad if he doesn't do too well until they can come up with a smaller offer than what was initially asked as a transfer fee. But the question is whether Osimhen is good enough to strengthen a top team. I don't know. He is a good striker, but is he world class?

I think it makes sense for Napoli to hang onto Osimhen. A talent like him won't just be let go unless the offer is good. Although there is a slight difference between him and Martinez, in my opinion, Osimhen still shines. It says a lot that teams like Manchester United, Liverpool, and Tottenham are still interested. They perceive possibilities. But is he capable of taking a top side to the next level as a striker? I'm still not entirely persuaded. He's quite good, but world-class is a significant improvement. How Napoli's future develops will be greatly influenced by his play. Without a doubt, his worth will soar if he continues to score regularly

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Quote from: rendravolt on December 21, 2023, 04:52:54 AM

So far Serhou Guirassy has scored 17 goals in the Bundesliga with Stuttgart and this season has indeed been the peak of his performance. No one expected him to be a very good goal machine this season and even surpass his number of goals last season. With the goals he always scores, he continues to keep Stuttgart in 3rd place in the Bundesliga standings to date.

Anyway, soon the January transfer window will open and considering that Serhou Guirassy's release clause is only around 17.5 million euros, which team will succeed in getting him? I'm pretty sure there will be a fight for big European teams to get him, especially teams that lack good strikers like Manchester United or others who will definitely hunt him down soon. That's a very cheap release clause and I don't think there's anything to lose if you want to bring Sehrou Guirassy from Stuttgart.

There are some seasons where an unexpected player ends up scoring a lot of goals, and usually those players end up getting a transfer from a much bigger team that pays a lot more. Like, we all know stuttgart can't pay him a ton, and he will be able to find some chances in some premier league team or something, even if not a top level team, a team like Palace or even Leicester if they can make a comeback, even luton or sheffield, may end up paying more.

Because they have a lot more money there, and he will leave for a team like that. Then, stuttgart will have some money, but they will not be able to replace the player, get a ton of bad players to replace him and then they will do a lot worse overall in the end as well.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on December 21, 2023, 07:47:39 PM

We already heard this rumor since the previous transfer window but Osimhen never moved to Real Madrid. I think it will depend on the money offered by Real Madrid and how much money that Napoli management expected. In some media, it is stated that Napoli wants more than €200m. But Real Madrid doesn't want to pay that huge amount of money, they think it is too expensive.

Sure, it is not the right place to go to Chelsea. It is better to move to Arsenal or Liverpool if Osimhen wants to play in EPL. Arsenal and Liverpool always join the race for the title in the last few seasons. Osimhen can lead them to win the trophy of EPL. I assume Arsenal or Liverpool are very urgent to have a sharp striker like Osimhen.

Difficult reach agreement deal for signing Osimhen because Napoli won't let his player go if transfer values under 150 million euro and most crazy values if Napoli want 200 million euro for any teams interested with Osimhen. I don't think not only Real Madrid but also many teams linked interested for signing Victor Osimhen won't pay more than 200 million euro for signing one striker and prepare waiting his contract will be expiry and get it lower values or become free agent without spent money yet.

I think right club for Victor Osimhen if want to play with Premier League is Liverpool or Arsenal, both teams have good potential compete on the top position and seems next season Liverpool get opportunity for playing in Champion League than Chelsea with inconsistency performance and their current standing outside from top fourth.

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