Topic: For how much money heroes and legends are willing to advertise fraud and scam? - page 2. (Read 1596 times)

> "No one is entitled to anything" (on this forum)
> "Oh my God, Livecoin ToC against ethic and morale, sweet Jesus"

 

Also, about plagiarism. I don't have time for now, for looking into theymos quotes where he says that if someone net positive he can be unbaned. If whole community supporting someone, doesn't that means that this person is very net positive?

"izooomrud alleges: LiveCoin violated a casual or implied agreement, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. LiveCoin did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act."

Doest that sound like forgiveness?

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

Ephesians 6:12

Yea everyone complains to no end about KYC shit, there is a reason it exists. Anyone who adamantly denies KYC is abusing the system, I don't care about your privacy if you are abusing it to begin with. I've never wanted an April fools joke to be true so badly before. KYC prevents a whole bunch of bullshit and clears up a ton of headaches for everyone. I get it, it's annoying, but so is all this bullshit. #KYC all day

Account farmers cast a wide net. Moreover, you have social media based programmes within the bounties which can be gamed by Newbies.

Even if 90% of the bounties fail, those that participate in Twitter/Facebook campaigns will still get something since they are just hitting every single bounty available to them. In the case of signatures, you have individuals that use multiple accounts in order to maximize the variety of tokens they can get. However, the post quality is hit hard because of the extra load (though it's unlikely that they would have posted good content regardless).

TL;DR: We need KYC.

Certainly, anyone who actually enjoys being here will put in the extra time and effort it takes to actually contribute to the forum rather than shitpost. I also do think that "intervention", like in the case of YoBit, its successful in mitigating the spamming or at least drawing more attention to it. I'm also not meaning to imply anyone wearing a signature is a spammer, quite obviously. I think some signature campaigns CAN be quite beneficial, in the sense that people will contribute more quality work since there is an incentive, and they can dedicate more time.

I still don't understand why people even shitpost for bounties anymore, it's completely not worth it. It seems like anyone involved in bounty campaigns is 12 years old... and then they are surprised when the "value" disappears, as if it wasn't made up out of thin air to begin with. Like are people still actually serious with this bounty bullshit, I thought after the countless examples of failure, some would catch on?

But yea, if people are willing to shitpost for valueless coins, you can bet your ass they would shitpost all day for a few extra bucks

No one is entitled to anything. Plagiarism is also a very serious offense here, very few people are lucky enough to get unbanned if they are caught plagiarizing so it's best not to hold out any hope for that.

I think i heard something like that in Bible. Between "Don't kill someone's slave" and "we need to turn water in wine"

That's not how it works. In order for the flag to be dropped not only must the damage be remedied, but the victim of the act must forgive them for their actions. Just because they bowed to public pressure doesn't magically make them innocent.

Certainly, most would. It's a simple task, repeatable and low-effort.
You can churn out hundreds of replies a week if you find the right threads.
You can start training yourself to create generalized and padded posts across your multiple accounts.
You can make the forum a worse place for the sake of money.

But a lot of users don't want that. You'll find that most of the spam is generated by poor monitoring of campaign participants, especially in the altcoin/bounty department. Nearly everyone who dons an altcoin signature is a spammer, full stop.

You will find, however, in the case of ChipMixer, many participants have ample opportunity to shitpost/mask-post their way up to 50/week. A significant percentage do not. Personally, I don't like the idea of lowering my post quality just to make a couple extra dollars. Honestly, I'm far stricter than DS_ on his QA with posts. There's been a few times that I thought the post count should have been lowered. (explains why my reporting accuracy isn't as high... there are a few "bad" reports for posts that I thought should have been deleted)

Speaking of, if you're reading this post to this point, @DarkStar_, just don't mark this one.

I think we all know that most of us would likely take $200 a week to shitpost on a forum. It's not that hard to understand. A lot of times I see people bashing others like this and the next week they're wearing this same signature. Probably a lot of it comes from jealously, hell I would want a sweat signature deal, who doesn't? I don't really think you should question ethics here, people will scam you out of $4 if they have the chance, at least this isn't outright scamming.

The main problem is not the specific episode, which acted as a catalyst, but the contract of the Exchange itself.
Until LiveCoin doesn't improve it's customer relationship policy, there is no guarantee that a similar situation with the blocking clients funds wouldn't happen again in the near future.

The flag was valid until Livecoin unblocked users account. For now, it's invalid because he didn't carry any loses.


Wait a minute. Why i must PM theymos, if we have global mods to unban users. Like you, for example. I had PMed you before, while you ignored me. Or you couldn't unban without theymos consent?

10%? Drop that to 1% and you might have something close to the truth.

Most users join for bounties/signature campaigns and spread their spam across the forum. Is it more important to have a big community or a community that actually cares about bitcoin? How many of these users have bought bitcoin? How many of these users have 1BTC? I doubt it's a high number. I doubt the retention time of their received bitcoin exceeds a month.

These users are spamming because they see the forum as a "job"... something that brings them money in return for low-effort posts. That's not how the forum should be. Especially since we have the name Bitcointalk, having altcoin-promoting users taint every section of the forum with trash is not what we want.

I don't think it's their mistake they can get scammed too and don't get paid the problem is bounty managers even in this situation the bounty manager is from the exchange but we can see bounty managers that don't give a shit about participants and they are not even getting flagged for millions of dollars scams

Good lord, you really need to take the stick out of your ass. Did I say it was dead forever? However, I'll be sure to let you know once you finally say something that is even remotely funny.


Theymos and cyrus rarely respond to PMs these days probably due to lack of time and sheer number of the PMs they get, but sadly if they don't then you have to take it as a no. It's pot luck if they do, but annoyingly that has a knock on effect of Globals being PMd and 90% of the time we can't do anything about it or we then have to pester them about it and personally I don't really wan't to annoy them with it so if they don't respond I just take that as a no or 'I don't have time'.


Well, those two campaigns are the anomalies and one is probably the most lucrative and the other was one of the measliest in terms of payment, but regardless of whether you pay a lot of little, the quality still needs to be there. Even if you're paying someone pennies if the quality control was there you would still get good content. Sure, many users won't want to join them but regardless of how much you get paid it's still money for nothing. I mean, I get paid zero for every other message board I post on and if the only campaign I could join  here was a low paying one then I would because it's still better than nothing. The problem is is when there's no quality control and people start spamming because their livelihoods depend on it. Campaigns don't have to pay ridiculous amount either as a middle ground can be found, just as long as the quality control is there. When a campaign like Stake or Yobit comes along as is literally paying anyone for anything then that's when the abuse becomes rife and has a devastating effect on the forum in the process and it's those campaigns that give sig campaigns in general a bad name. If the sig campaign guidelines where ever enforced then the forum would clean itself up pretty fast, but when we allow campaigns to basically do what they want (and in many cases that is nothing) then it's going to be abused because they can get away with it.

I think that the flag against LiveCoin can be considered conditionally valid, since their customer agreement has contradictions. If I get it wrong, then let experts with law degrees to correct me.
In the agreement LiveCoin warns that they will take clients funds for some possible reasons, but at the same time, the Exchange states that the agreement doesn't affect the legal rights of the customers.
Even with the terms of LiveCoin's own contract, they can not arrogate the clients funds, because such decisions must be taken only by courts.

I'm not PM'ing admins, we have global mods for such things now .
And what a funny statement "If someone is not answering to PM, that's mean no". Community deserves to hear detailed response in ban appeal topic. I think it will be honest way.

I have long argued that companies should be called out when their advertising is harming the forum in the form of low quality posts.

As a forum user, I very much appreciate how Darkstar runs his campaign because of how little spam his campaign contributes (although there are some in his campaign that can both post without knowing what they are talking about and get merit in these posts). However running a campaign the way Darkstar runs his campaigns is going to be more expensive than running a campaign the way stake ran their campaign both to participants and to the manager. If there were tangible reputation consequences to having a campaign run poorly, more companies would have their campaigns run like Darkstars.

I have also noticed a trend that companies are starting to pay people to blog and write articles about their company on various other platforms (including other social media sites). I would suspect that more companies will move toward this type of advertising because the content stays up (usually) after payment has been made, and the reviews help with google search results.   

That's not a potential solution probably, otherwise, theymos would do it long ago. I doubt 10% of the current active people/activity would be active once sig is disable.