For how much money heroes and legends are willing to advertise fraud and scam? - page 3.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on July 23, 2019, 06:35:55 AM

And what about quality and speed of responding to ban appeals? If it go up as a quality of discussion, i'll vote for it!
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If you PM'd Cyrus and theymos more than once or twice and they aren't responding I assume the answer is a 'no'.

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 22, 2019, 05:09:28 PM

We have to agree that the majority of traffic comes here for signature campaigns and other money earning services. The moment signature campaigns are stopped, the traffic will look for alternatives and this will give rise to another forum where signature campaigns will be accepted. Due to the lack of traffic, services will gradually move to an alternative as well. Yes, we would not have spams but it will affect the forum's ad revenue as well.

Advertisers care not only about traffic but about the quality of it, I'm not sure (I don't lean either way) if people who visit bitcointalk solely for signature campaigns are worth as much as users without paid signatures.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 23, 2019, 12:52:21 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on July 22, 2019, 10:44:06 AM

Or we could end all signature campaigns for 60 days just to see if it helps.

Think of all the spam that would go by by.

Why not try it for a bit just to see.

We’d certainly see who is serious about & enjoys posting here if there was a 60 day signature ban.
I’d be here every day with or without getting paid for my signature, I can probably comfortably say that isn’t the case for everybody who gets paid to post.

I'd be more than happy to see a perma-ban of sig/profile campaigns/promotions, it would certainly rid this forum of clutter/spam - not to mention scams/shitposters & pointless arguements over nothing but getting paid a few bucks for doing so. I'm all for it.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on July 23, 2019, 05:25:47 AM

Already made that joke Grin

Sorry, I didn't realize once you made a joke it is dead forever. Next time I will check with you first before laughing.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on July 22, 2019, 10:44:06 AM

Or we could end all signature campaigns for 60 days just to see if it helps.

Think of all the spam that would go by by.

Why not try it for a bit just to see.

We’d certainly see who is serious about & enjoys posting here if there was a 60 day signature ban.
I’d be here every day with or without getting paid for my signature, I can probably comfortably say that isn’t the case for everybody who gets paid to post.

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Exchanges cannot be regarded as scam till they start scamming everyone like yobit and livecoin. Yobit recently paid me my pending money (which was in their wallet since a year) so it wouldn't be right for me to give them a negative trust because they did not pay others who were withdrawing thousands of dollars while exchanges like cryptopia who cheated all users including me deserve to be called scam as they ran away with users' funds that were not stolen and claimed bankruptcy. Livecoin recently cleared themselves by solving one accusation and even though they are shady without a doubt, they can't be termed scammers just like hitbtc and yobit. Those who are wearing the signature don't care about the consequences users who have been cheated have faced because they are earning and haven't been cheated by livecoin which is really a shame. If livecoin was genuine, they wouldn't have locked their thread and self-moderated it.

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Quote from: birkado on July 22, 2019, 01:39:06 PM

The Russian people everything works according to this principle. If a thing looks like shit, smells like shit and is spoken of as shit, then that thing is shit Grin

Yep, because of that we didn't support izooomrud. Because all you, russian speaking noobs smells like a shit more than Livecoin.

It's easy to verify my words, because no one from trusted russian members (DT1, DT2) supported Livecoin flag

Why "supported" and not "supporting"?
Livecoin have already unlocked izooomrud account, so flag3 accusation can be considered as "resolved".

Quote from: hilariousetc on July 23, 2019, 05:25:47 AM

At least if sig campaigns were banned then the quality of discussion would go up exponentially.

And what about quality and speed of responding to ban appeals? If it go up as a quality of discussion, i'll vote for it!

Markiz is waiting

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Already made that joke Grin

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Personally, about tree fiddy.

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No one will risk their hero account if they ranked up from newbie with the current merit system involved because I know that it is not an easy job and it can be considered as life achievement as well so they won't risk even for $1000 I guess.

Sometimes they don't know about it or don't care. Some will just take whatever they get, especially since decent sig campaings are both rare and hard to get onto.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 22, 2019, 11:54:35 AM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on July 22, 2019, 08:38:57 AM

Hero & Legendary accounts that were hero & legendary before the merit update shouldn't be regarded as something unique.

Right--and I also don't even recognize most of those members, and I don't think they're among the most trusted in the community despite their ranks (I have not checked any of their trust pages, though).

bryant.colman usually only pops up when there's a lucrative sig camp. I think that account may have changed hands as well though it's hard to say whether it just goes inactive when he can't monetise it.

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on July 22, 2019, 05:09:28 PM

Quote from: Welsh on July 22, 2019, 11:15:55 AM

I know theymos is trying to avoid this, but he seems to be open to the idea of potentially disallowing signature campaigns, and lets be honest it would improve the forums signal to noise ratio by a whole lot, although we would be removing a rather interesting eco system which has developed because of it. Unfortunately, whenever you have something good, it is always abused by the masses until it eventually ends up being tossed out.

We have to agree that the majority of traffic comes here for signature campaigns and other money earning services. The moment signature campaigns are stopped, the traffic will look for alternatives and this will give rise to another forum where signature campaigns will be accepted. Due to the lack of traffic, services will gradually move to an alternative as well. Yes, we would not have spams but it will affect the forum's ad revenue as well.

I'm not so sure. You could argue that it might increase it. Most businesses here don't advertise via the ad slots because it's more effective to pay users. It might even be cheaper in some instances. Also, theymos doesn't seem to care that much about forum income so traffic probably isn't that much of a concern either. At least if sig campaigns were banned then the quality of discussion would go up exponentially. Though as I've always said, quality discussion and sig campaigns can coexist with better management on their behalf. Imagine if every campaign was run like Darkstar's. We would then have no problem with spam and they would actually help improve the quality of content.

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Hope you notice when I indicated my assumptions above are based on my own judgement i said "so to me" I wasn't speaking based on the forum generally. My judgements are limited to my knowledge on the issue. I read post from almost all aspect of the forum, me not relying doesn't mean I don't visit the boards. Some times when I go on a quality post hurting mode, so I could exercise my duties as a merit source i also read posts from local sections through google translation (might not give me an accurate translation but does gives me an idea of what message OP is trying to pass across although haven't been doing this lately).

I didn't mean you don't visit. I remember I have gotten a merit from you on service section of altcoin, the post was an old post.

Anyway, come the point, for people with dozens account who only wait for signature campaign, doesn't matter what they will promote. They matter the cash only. For me, I wouldn't promote a scam project, even the payment is the highest.
I always have fought against the scam, tried to alert people not to join scam project, not to invest in coins without enough research, not to use an scam exchange.
For me, my standard is more precious than the cash.

Quote from: Quickseller on July 23, 2019, 01:24:15 AM

I had PM'ed all the participants in the campaign and received a response from kodtycoon that he is removing the signature because he doesn't want to promote a scam.

That's a good move from both of you. Real man never promote scam, they bust.

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I had PM'ed all the participants in the campaign and received a response from kodtycoon that he is removing the signature because he doesn't want to promote a scam.

I would encourage everyone else in the campaign to do the same.

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None of the participants seem familiar to me that means I haven't encountered them on the forum neither have I meirted their posts (I think), so to me they aren't worthy ambassadors of those rank they're representing. Maybe you should edit OP title to "forum members" instead of specifying ranks because I'm positive most lower ranked users would had done the same if given the opportunity.

That's not true mate. Probably you didn't notice them, may be you are posting on limited number of boards. You didn't merit them doesn't reflect they are bad poster or they don't deserve the rank.
The problem is that, most accounts were inactive, it's simply can be said that most of the accounts are signature campaign abuser.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on July 22, 2019, 10:44:06 AM

Or we could end all signature campaigns for 60 days just to see if it helps.

Think of all the spam that would go by by.

it would definitely tone down spam a lot, but it makes this forum less lively Grin

there will be less people posting in the forum because of lack of motivation
lets be honest, signature campaigns do help attract new users to the forum
as side effects, they help expose bitcoin to many new users from various backgrounds and classes

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Quote from: Welsh on July 22, 2019, 11:15:55 AM

I know theymos is trying to avoid this, but he seems to be open to the idea of potentially disallowing signature campaigns, and lets be honest it would improve the forums signal to noise ratio by a whole lot, although we would be removing a rather interesting eco system which has developed because of it. Unfortunately, whenever you have something good, it is always abused by the masses until it eventually ends up being tossed out.

We have to agree that the majority of traffic comes here for signature campaigns and other money earning services. The moment signature campaigns are stopped, the traffic will look for alternatives and this will give rise to another forum where signature campaigns will be accepted. Due to the lack of traffic, services will gradually move to an alternative as well. Yes, we would not have spams but it will affect the forum's ad revenue as well.

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In this case the guilty one is: manager Livecoin not participants participating in the campaign,
What needs to be warned about Livecoin campaign fraud is its manager.

Menajer has been warned in this case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2650265
And also his bad reputation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flag-against-livecoin-again-5166754

If the manager of Livecoin is banned from this Forum and the mod removes his campaign, this problem is over, or the manager of Livecoin, returns the funds he has brought from the user and this issue is over.

So the problem here is if resolutely resolved by the authorities everything is finished.

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Quote from: birkado on July 22, 2019, 09:21:20 AM

I do not understand the policy of the forum administration. They do not prohibit the advertising of dubious and fraudulent services or companies against which criminal proceedings are instituted in different countries of the world (for example, YoBit Exchange).

If you claim something you need to back up your claim about the criminal proceedings that is being taken against Yobit. It is a shady exchange without much transparency and no one is denying that who have traded in that exchange and the fake volumes in some of the shitty coins being listed, but what top level exchange provides the exact volume in this market. Advertisement provided does not mean that they are claiming it to be legit.

Quote from: suchmoon on July 22, 2019, 10:00:56 AM

Anyone can bring up an accusation and if it's valid it has "opportunities" to be supported by DT members using flags and red trust ratings. That's what happened to LiveCoin recently.

It is a strange case altogether with livecoin, not sure about the intensity of the situation but a users coins are confiscated because he voiced out against them showing their incompetence and the amount is around $200 and they are not even trying to sort the issue which is strange. When they started a new campaign i thought they sorted out the issue Undecided

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https://ru.forexmagnates.com/roskomnadzor-vserez-vzyalsya-za-kriptovalyutnuyu-birzhu-yobit/
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The Russian people everything works according to this principle. If a thing looks like shit, smells like shit and is spoken of as shit, then that thing is shit Grin

English people don't agree with it. Even if they shove this thing in yourself mouth, they will say that it is possible to someone it will seem delicious Grin

Different mentality, nothing can be done.

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Quote from: birkado on July 22, 2019, 09:21:20 AM

I do not understand the policy of the forum administration. They do not prohibit the advertising of dubious and fraudulent services or companies against which criminal proceedings are instituted in different countries of the world (for example, YoBit Exchange).

If you claim something you need to back up your claim about the criminal proceedings that is being taken against Yobit. It is a shady exchange without much transparency and no one is denying that who have traded in that exchange and the fake volumes in some of the shitty coins being listed, but what top level exchange provides the exact volume in this market. Advertisement provided does not mean that they are claiming it to be legit.

Quote from: suchmoon on July 22, 2019, 10:00:56 AM

Anyone can bring up an accusation and if it's valid it has "opportunities" to be supported by DT members using flags and red trust ratings. That's what happened to LiveCoin recently.

It is a strange case altogether with livecoin, not sure about the intensity of the situation but a users coins are confiscated because he voiced out against them showing their incompetence and the amount is around $200 and they are not even trying to sort the issue which is strange. When they started a new campaign i thought they sorted out the issue Undecided

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Scam accusations are very subjective. Quite a few people tell me that Bitcoin is a scam, and when I explain about the fact that cryptographic solutions can create a virtual asset,rather like writing a book, then they think I am mad. I think zero interest rates on savings are a scam, but they are government sponsored, and anyway, the whole fiat system is a scam in my opinion. Should Bitcoin Talk red trust members because they support the US dollar or the UK pound, I think not.

The best solution is for members to continue to make newbies aware of the dangers that are present in the world of crypto. For example, they should be made aware that BTC can mean Bitcoin Cash, or it can refer to the genuine Bitcoin store of value.

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Quote from: birkado on July 22, 2019, 09:21:20 AM

I do not understand the policy of the forum administration. They do not prohibit the advertising of dubious and fraudulent services or companies against which criminal proceedings are instituted in different countries of the world (for example, YoBit Exchange).

That would create more ridiculous picture than current. Staff could easily manipulate the system and as a result, all the faults would be upon the forum. Better not to moderate any scam, let people choose their own way.
By the way, in forum ad slots, no scam project is allowed.

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Quote from: birkado on July 22, 2019, 09:21:20 AM

I do not understand the policy of the forum administration. They do not prohibit the advertising of dubious and fraudulent services or companies against which criminal proceedings are instituted in different countries of the world (for example, YoBit Exchange).

There was a time when scammers would be branded with a SCAMMER sub-rank, for all to see, and some of their forum privileges could be revoked. But that was when the forum saw significantly lower levels of activity, so in 2013 theymos designed a reputation system called Trust which is largely supposed to be self-sustaining, allowing him to spend more time on other stuff. A centralized approach to policing scams would require theymos to hire dozen(s?) of full-time mods, probably start charging fees and acting as an escrow, and institute tons of restrictions in doing business on bitcointalk. Basically, it would turn the forum into ebay2. And you'd still see people getting scammed and losing money lol.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on July 22, 2019, 08:38:57 AM

Hero & Legendary accounts that were hero & legendary before the merit update shouldn't be regarded as something unique.

Right--and I also don't even recognize most of those members, and I don't think they're among the most trusted in the community despite their ranks (I have not checked any of their trust pages, though).

And yeah, there are a lot of members eager to join any signature campaign they can, since there aren't a lot left that pay in bitcoin that I know of. Those accounts may also be under the control of account farmers or others who bought them--who knows. All I know is that when a new sig campaign opens up a lot of high-ranked members start coming out of the woodwork to join them.

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