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TheButterZone
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 23, 2013, 04:01:39 PM
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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 23, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: TheButterZone on December 22, 2013, 05:38:31 PM
So everyone who has ever spoken to the press about crimes they have witnessed should be put to death. That's some North Korea logic right there.

One man's terrorist is another's hero. But in a recent poll  by a reputed media firm, the majority of American citizens supported Snowden against the government, with 55% calling him a whistle-blower and 34% calling him a traitor. After all US is a democracy, right?

It matters not. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/majority.html

He defended human rights and the Constitution that codified them, by exposing totalitarians who were violating them with impunity despite their sworn oaths to the contrary, and those totalitarians initially claimed innocent lives were saved by their violation of human rights, then just admitted that number was 0. Conversely, the totalitarians claim innocent lives were lost because they could no longer violate human rights with impunity, and that number will probably end up being 0 as well.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 23, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
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Quote from: TheButterZone on December 22, 2013, 05:38:31 PM
So everyone who has ever spoken to the press about crimes they have witnessed should be put to death. That's some North Korea logic right there.

One man's terrorist is another's hero. But in a recent poll  by a reputed media firm, the majority of American citizens supported Snowden against the government, with 55% calling him a whistle-blower and 34% calling him a traitor. After all US is a democracy, right?
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 23, 2013, 09:22:17 AM
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If you consider a man a traitor for pointing out the corruption and dishonesty of his allies so other people don't get hurt by it then that just makes you an asshole.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 23, 2013, 09:20:49 AM
#38
Quote from: hilariousandco on December 23, 2013, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: cryptasm on December 22, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
How can exposing criminality be a crime?  That's some pretty twisted logic

I guess they see him under that criminal logic of "not being a grass".



Quote from: chowderman on December 23, 2013, 08:04:43 AM
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Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
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Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.
Actually it does, that is why we have protections for whistleblowers.  Of course the status quo doesn't want their secrets dispersed.  They have the power to keep secrets from the public, and this destroys democracy.  Our only recourse is leaking them.

If he was a 'whistleblower' that would be true, but no. He was a secure information leak to secure information he was entrusted with and had to obtain a security clearance for. WHistleblowing doesn't apply here, its about expose secure government information. You see, its about the action of the leak he could have leaked information on many things, military ops, nuke weapon locations, all kinds of things, instead he chose what he did and even by the reaction of people it too was a self serving leak by the way people react to him. He's a leaker, a criminal, a traitor.

I doubt he add access to nuke locations and other such stuff, but if that was so then he is a whistlebower and not a traitor. A traitor would be betraying your country by passing on the information to an enemy. He leaked/exposed information of criminality to the world.


Read it again...The point is, it is the action of the leak, NOT the subject matter.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 23, 2013, 08:16:17 AM
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Quote from: cryptasm on December 22, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
How can exposing criminality be a crime?  That's some pretty twisted logic

I guess they see him under that criminal logic of "not being a grass".



Quote from: chowderman on December 23, 2013, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: FCTaiChi on December 22, 2013, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 22, 2013, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: Ch1bi on December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.
Actually it does, that is why we have protections for whistleblowers.  Of course the status quo doesn't want their secrets dispersed.  They have the power to keep secrets from the public, and this destroys democracy.  Our only recourse is leaking them.

If he was a 'whistleblower' that would be true, but no. He was a secure information leak to secure information he was entrusted with and had to obtain a security clearance for. WHistleblowing doesn't apply here, its about expose secure government information. You see, its about the action of the leak he could have leaked information on many things, military ops, nuke weapon locations, all kinds of things, instead he chose what he did and even by the reaction of people it too was a self serving leak by the way people react to him. He's a leaker, a criminal, a traitor.

I doubt he add access to nuke locations and other such stuff, but if that was so then he is a whistlebower and not a traitor. A traitor would be betraying your country by passing on the information to an enemy. He leaked/exposed information of criminality to the world.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 23, 2013, 08:04:43 AM
#36
Quote from: FCTaiChi on December 22, 2013, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 22, 2013, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: Ch1bi on December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.
Actually it does, that is why we have protections for whistleblowers.  Of course the status quo doesn't want their secrets dispersed.  They have the power to keep secrets from the public, and this destroys democracy.  Our only recourse is leaking them.

If he was a 'whistleblower' that would be true, but no. He was a secure information leak to secure information he was entrusted with and had to obtain a security clearance for. WHistleblowing doesn't apply here, its about expose secure government information. You see, its about the action of the leak he could have leaked information on many things, military ops, nuke weapon locations, all kinds of things, instead he chose what he did and even by the reaction of people it too was a self serving leak by the way people react to him. He's a leaker, a criminal, a traitor.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 08:48:58 PM
#35
Quote from: chowderman on December 22, 2013, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: Ch1bi on December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.
Actually it does, that is why we have protections for whistleblowers.  Of course the status quo doesn't want their secrets dispersed.  They have the power to keep secrets from the public, and this destroys democracy.  Our only recourse is leaking them.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 05:38:31 PM
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So everyone who has ever spoken to the press about crimes they have witnessed should be put to death. That's some North Korea logic right there.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
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How can exposing criminality be a crime?  That's some pretty twisted logic

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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 03:34:42 PM
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Sure he committed a crime. As does the government everyday with this NSA stuff.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
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"I think giving him amnesty is idiotic,” said Woolsey, who ran the CIA from 1993 to 1995. “He should be prosecuted for treason. If convicted by a jury of his peers, he should be hanged by his neck until he is dead."

It's sad that guys like this are likely too old to ever realize how wrong they are.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
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Quote from: chowderman on December 22, 2013, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: Ch1bi on December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.

He passed on information of crimes that were being committed by the US government.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 11:13:54 AM
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Quote from: Ch1bi on December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 11:11:27 AM
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Quote from: U1TRA_L0RD on December 21, 2013, 12:01:10 AM
I think Russia just gave Snowden asylum because Snowden would be a great spy for the Russian Agency.

Actually Putin has already said in an interview if the US Gov is willing to make a deal to acquire Snowden he's ready, I am not sure why the US Gov hasn't though.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 22, 2013, 08:38:14 AM
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Quote from: Wilikon on December 21, 2013, 09:57:51 PM
Anyone would risk to guess a number of how many civil servants have a need to know/top secret level just like manning or snowden? I am guessing in the 100K or close to it.

No. I think it is a very small number. Manning didn't had default access to the information. If my guess is right, he hacked in to the system to get all those info. Still that doesn't make him a criminal.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 21, 2013, 09:57:51 PM
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Anyone would risk to guess a number of how many civil servants have a need to know/top secret level just like manning or snowden? I am guessing in the 100K or close to it.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 21, 2013, 05:56:28 PM
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Quote from: Hawker on December 20, 2013, 02:53:25 AM
Quote from: beetcoin on December 20, 2013, 02:39:59 AM
can these douchebags even prove that snowden's leaks have caused grave danger to american safety and well being? or do they just think he should be hanged because he hurt the police state?

Its a basic principle of data management that data gets shared on a "need to know" basis.  Snowden and Manning demonstrated that the US intelligence services failed to follow this principle and were recklessly letting almost anyone not only access data but download it.

Snowden and Manning made their bosses look like fools.  That's why the rhetoric is so ridiculously over the top.
Although we disagree on everything, you have this exactly right, Hawker.  The old principle of "Need to know" simply got forgotten in the world of access to data through passwords in the security agencies.

Where before there were channels of access, now at any terminal, these idiots can get a thousand or a million times more info than in previous decades.   Give that possibility to a hundred thousand, and some will for one reason or another, take the plunge.

In this very real sense, we owe both Snowden and Manning for showing the weakness of this system. 
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 21, 2013, 03:23:50 PM
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Quote from: Ch1bi on December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

He's just trolling.
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
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Quote from: chowderman on December 20, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?
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Re: Former CIA chief: Snowden should be “hanged by the neck until dead”
December 21, 2013, 10:13:54 AM
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Quote from: Vod on December 20, 2013, 04:54:31 PM
Non of those are treason against the US.

So what? Do you think killing millions of innocent people is less serious than leaking a bunch of spying documents? You know what? This is exactly why the majority of people in this world hate the Americans.
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