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sr. member
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I see 3 visual errors. using firefox

1: Password is visible
2: Chat Button is abit too wide
3: Instant Coin Exchanger the button is wrong position
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Thank you for the research you conducted regarding the Video Poker House Edge, but you are forgetting "Rebet" button. FortuneJack is the only crypto casino offering Rebet after last draw, meaning if you have let's say 4 of a kind after two draws, you can go for 5 of a kind by drawing 3rd time, this increases the chances of striking more winnings, thus lowering house edge to 1.4%.

We have made some mistakes before calculating house edge and had 3 rebet options available for the players, that set House Edge to - 17.2% (negative), where players won around 40 BTC in several minutes while playing with the bug, obviously we payed them out but since then, we decided not remove 'Rebet' from the game, as it makes the game unique in the crypto industry (these winnings were discussed in the thread).

None of the calculators you provided include Rebet option, so comparing regular types of gameplay and payout to the Video Poker provided on FortuneJack, is a mistake.

Thanks for the response and opening my eyes up a bit more. I did not know the rebet option was an additional draw. I assumed it was to place your bet again. And it is a very unique option.

What cards does the rebet draw from? All remaining and discarded? Only remaining? or a whole new deck (which would make card duplication possible)?

I will re-run the numbers once I understand it fully to post my actual findings.

Through my playing I discovered it costs an additional 2x the base bet which effectively reduces the pay table to 1/3 of the value. This is because you do not win for both hands drawn. You only win for final hand. You mentioned changing the times allowed to rebet/redraw before because of the negative house edge, but from reading the posts at that time, you also reduced the royal flush payout from 500 to 300 (possibly others?). Other payouts are severely handicapped and I am not seeing how the rebet option can overcome this to such a great extent to get to the 1.4%. At face value, it appears to be more of a house advantaged prop bet except in very limited circumstances. For example, at quick glance, I do not see it ever being profitable except on the pay table from 4 of a kind and higher, possibly only straight flush and higher and only in very specific situations and depending on the answer to the above questions.
legendary
Activity: 1612
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what's up with the password field? i'm able to see my password instead of asterisks. change the input type to password.  Undecided

I was just about to point that out earlier. The password in in plaintext now. Nice catch.



Edit: Screenshot was from 1.5hrs ago, but I noticed it ~12 hours ago. I do not know if it was always like that. It just stuck out at that time.
This occurs in the latest versions of chrome and firefox browsers.
there's no problem in the latest version of any browser, the problem is in site they have set input type as text the input type should be set as password.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Video Poker REBET bug. It does not show the price to rebet (appears to be 2x base bet from my test).



This occurs in the latest versions of chrome and firefox browsers.

full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
what's up with the password field? i'm able to see my password instead of asterisks. change the input type to password.  Undecided

I was just about to point that out earlier. The password in in plaintext now. Nice catch.



Edit: Screenshot was from 1.5hrs ago, but I noticed it ~12 hours ago. I do not know if it was always like that. It just stuck out at that time.
This occurs in the latest versions of chrome and firefox browsers.
legendary
Activity: 1612
Merit: 1001
what's up with the password field? i'm able to see my password instead of asterisks. change the input type to password.  Undecided
legendary
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BTW, one question, can we see rollover progress in account page?

rollover? dont you mean the wagered progess for this? No there isnt any feature to see the wagered percentage in your account page.

Unlike other sites which needs you to achieve 100 % before you can withdraw or get the bonus , in fortunejack you can get even the smallest amount after you wagered them

i.e if you depositted 10,000 doges you will get 10,000 doges with the requirement to wager to 300,000

300,000 / 10,000 = 30 : 1 which means each times you wagered up 30 doges you will gain 1 doge instantly . Of course each game got its own wagered contribution but the math stands the same, 30 doges wagered then you can claim 1 doge instantly

hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000

Thank you for the research you conducted regarding the Video Poker House Edge, but you are forgetting "Rebet" button. FortuneJack is the only crypto casino offering Rebet after last draw, meaning if you have let's say 4 of a kind after two draws, you can go for 5 of a kind by drawing 3rd time, this increases the chances of striking more winnings, thus lowering house edge to 1.4%.

We have made some mistakes before calculating house edge and had 3 rebet options available for the players, that set House Edge to - 17.2% (negative), where players won around 40 BTC in several minutes while playing with the bug, obviously we payed them out but since then, we decided not remove 'Rebet' from the game, as it makes the game unique in the crypto industry (these winnings were discussed in the thread).

None of the calculators you provided include Rebet option, so comparing regular types of gameplay and payout to the Video Poker provided on FortuneJack, is a mistake.

Thank you, I didn't play your video poker before because it shows connection errors, if I have a chance, I will try your "rebet" option.

It is innovative so we can have more chance to make money, awesome rebet feature, never see it in other casinos.  Grin

BTW, one question, can we see rollover progress in account page?
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 1204
www.fortunejack.com
Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.





Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

I am also confused by their return, I think their number may be wrong. I use a video poker calculator: http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/video-poker-payout/, the expect return is 95.15%



So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack                                                                                    Standard
         


Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

Thank you for the research you conducted regarding the Video Poker House Edge, but you are forgetting "Rebet" button. FortuneJack is the only crypto casino offering Rebet after last draw, meaning if you have let's say 4 of a kind after two draws, you can go for 5 of a kind by drawing 3rd time, this increases the chances of striking more winnings, thus lowering house edge to 1.4%.

We have made some mistakes before calculating house edge and had 3 rebet options available for the players, that set House Edge to - 17.2% (negative), where players won around 40 BTC in several minutes while playing with the bug, obviously we payed them out but since then, we decided not remove 'Rebet' from the game, as it makes the game unique in the crypto industry (these winnings were discussed in the thread).

None of the calculators you provided include Rebet option, so comparing regular types of gameplay and payout to the Video Poker provided on FortuneJack, is a mistake.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Even though we have written in the rules that "Bonuses should be claimed in one month", we don't use this rule. There was a mistake in the text and we will remove that sentence.  

You can continue wagering for as long as you want unless you don't withdraw anything. That means that you can spend even 5 months wagering, but you should not withdraw anything during that time if you want to get full 100% deposit bonus.

Yes, your real bonus is different from what the bonus term says. And another error is video poker house edge, did you read "troublesome96" and my discussion? They are in previous page. Do you prepare a bounty for "troublesome96" and me?

30X rollover is not easy, your bonus is not instantly added to the account. For only 1btc bankroll, playing blackjack may be useful, but bj only contributes 20%, wager 150BTC and left 0+ money is also difficult.
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 1204
www.fortunejack.com
Even though we have written in the rules that "Bonuses should be claimed in one month", we don't use this rule. There was a mistake in the text and we will remove that sentence. 

You can continue wagering for as long as you want unless you don't withdraw anything. That means that you can spend even 5 months wagering, but you should not withdraw anything during that time if you want to get full 100% deposit bonus.
legendary
Activity: 1612
Merit: 1001
Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!
if you deposit 1 btc you will not get another 1 btc as bonus instantly you will have to wager 30x with your initial deposit to claim the bonus of 1 btc. if you'll be unable wager 30x within a month then your bonus will be lost.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!

Both, you wager 60BTC so that you can claim the 1btc bonus. They should be both done in 1 month. Or the bonus would be void.
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!

you must wagered 30x like if you deposit 1Btc and get 1Btc as 100% deposit bonus than have you to make 30x rollover
1x30 = 30 Btc within a month to get unlock the bonus amount.
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack                                                                                    Standard
         


Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

LOL, you misunderstood what I said, I said:"So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one." I mean I prefer 95.15% is the correct one, I didn't mean I prefer playing 95% house edge game.  Grin

I am not silly. That's why I like playing blackjack but not other games. BJ on FJ also had high house edge, they modified the house rule, house edge may be 1%-2%. So after I lost some coins in blackjack here, I left here.

And your speculation about 98.6% is correct, 98.6% expect return is standard one, FJ just copied that figure but set the lower return of 2 pairs, royal flush and etc. So 98.6% should be a false advertisement/statement. FJ should modify it to 95.15%

My bad.

I would rather they modify the actual payouts Wink.

I will run the numbers on the blackjack rules they have posted in a little bit.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack                                                                                    Standard
         


Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

LOL, you misunderstood what I said, I said:"So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one." I mean I prefer 95.15% is the correct one, I didn't mean I prefer playing 95% house edge game.  Grin

I am not silly. That's why I like playing blackjack but not other games. BJ on FJ also had high house edge, they modified the house rule, house edge may be 1%-2%. So after I lost some coins in blackjack here, I left here.

And your speculation about 98.6% is correct, 98.6% expect return is standard one, FJ just copied that figure but set the lower return of 2 pairs, royal flush and etc. So 98.6% should be a false advertisement/statement. FJ should modify it to 95.15%
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.





Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

I am also confused by their return, I think their number may be wrong. I use a video poker calculator: http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/video-poker-payout/, the expect return is 95.15%



So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack                                                                                    Standard
         


Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.





Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

I am also confused by their return, I think their number may be wrong. I use a video poker calculator: http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/video-poker-payout/, the expect return is 95.15%



So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.





Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.
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