Topic: Forum merit system - page 2. (Read 1064 times)
OP please forgive me, but I need to make a picture.
Smile!
Feel free to merit abuse me, I don't mind.
Smile!
Feel free to merit abuse me, I don't mind.
OP: No merit for you! No merit for your family, no merit for your cow!
Didn't theymos say himself that if someone has a problem with merit distribution they can go to him directly. Everyone who complains about the distribution of merits in the WO thread just share your concerns with the forum admin. This thread is going nowhere and it is not going to change anything and why would it!?!
You are free to merit anyone and anything you like as long as it doesn't involve trading, selling, coordinating merit distribution. Let the WO folks do what they want, it's not anyone's business.
You are free to merit anyone and anything you like as long as it doesn't involve trading, selling, coordinating merit distribution. Let the WO folks do what they want, it's not anyone's business.
I think MODs probably already expected something like this would happen(or maybe not) and they probably can't do much about it. but the fact that the post quality increased after implementing the merit system because you need merit in order to rank up suggests that the purpose of the merit system succeeded. and I think some post being over merited is acceptable than thousands of shitty poster ranking up without any effort(just like before the merit system was implemented).
Signatures do not appear in the wall, so many campaign managers ignore “no-payment” for posts in that section, and most of the Merits that go to that section are people who like publishing (not forced paid posts.)
BS, in the other sections where signatures are hidden (like Serious Discussion, Ivory Tower, etc) shitposts are not merited like that.Over the forum many users don't wear signatures or paid signatures and fortunately, they don't receive merits just because they post for free, moreover many sections are excluded from campaigns and we don't see those merit abuses there.
Secondly: I think that users are free to how them sMerits are distributed "especially those that they acquired" @theymos was not strict in exchanging Merits between alternative accounts, so unless there is any abuse from a Merit source, your grievance will not be valuable.
Wrong. Shitpost is prohibited by the rules, but you reward it in your Wall observing thread. 
No one's forgotten how fucking hilarious the Gl0bbster is, but thanks for the reminder.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.
That's what I'm talkin' about!
Last of the V8s for mayor!!
Signatures do not appear in the wall, so many campaign managers ignore “no-payment” for posts in that section, and most of the Merits that go to that section are people who like publishing (not forced paid posts.)
Secondly: I think that users are free to how them sMerits are distributed "especially those that they acquired" @theymos was not strict in exchanging Merits between alternative accounts, so unless there is any abuse from a Merit source, your grievance will not be valuable.
Secondly: I think that users are free to how them sMerits are distributed "especially those that they acquired" @theymos was not strict in exchanging Merits between alternative accounts, so unless there is any abuse from a Merit source, your grievance will not be valuable.
I don't get it, I really don't. There are so many people here in the forum complaining about the Merit system every day. Instead of wasting so much time complaining and crying about the "unfair" rules, these people should better spend their time writing meaningful, informative posts and contribute something helpful to the forum. There is absolutely no point in wasting your time creating those "The Merit-System is so unfair, blablabla" threads , you won't change the rules anyway. Better do something useful with your time.
@OP: Why don't you start to check the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) on a regular basis and try to post something there? I am pretty sure you will understand the dynamic of the thread sooner or later and your posts will get merited if they are good.
@OP: Why don't you start to check the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) on a regular basis and try to post something there? I am pretty sure you will understand the dynamic of the thread sooner or later and your posts will get merited if they are good.
No one's forgotten how fucking hilarious the Gl0bbster is, but thanks for the reminder.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.
Very hilarious for sure... Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.
but what's more hilarious here, is your explanation
No one's forgotten how fucking hilarious the Gl0bbster is, but thanks for the reminder.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.
What actually brings out this subject was a user of this forum that applied for a campaign and expected to be selected due to the amount of merit he earned. I went through his posts, all i can see for almost more than a week duration post was one-liners messages.
I've looked at your posts and you're talking about this guy as I understand : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=244243Well you're right, he seems to only post one liners however he has earned as much as 150+ merits during the last 120days...
... for one liners
Of course 99% come from the Wall Observing thread
For example he had received 2 merits for this post :
Another hat I actually want irl. Its my steam picture too.
3 for this one Put the blockchain in a bag of rice on a radiator.
1 for this onePlus it will become your favourite subject matter and pop up in every list
Another one for this oneThanks Yoda
2 for thisFuck off
4 merits forLambo SV
etc etc
The rewards are going to the people who should get them.
It might not improve the quality of the hopeless. There's now enough merited posters for them to read and learn what does attract it.
How do you explain the case above then? It might not improve the quality of the hopeless. There's now enough merited posters for them to read and learn what does attract it.
Understood. This is not complain about amount but the purpose of the merit scheme and if we will look at it carefully the merit system which was actually created to improve quality posts have failed.
Disagree. It might often go to the wrong places in the opinions of some but I can tell when someone has a healthy merit count without looking at the score just by the way they write, and the same goes for people who've earned none. The rewards are going to the people who should get them.
It might not improve the quality of the hopeless. There's now enough merited posters for them to read and learn what does attract it.
But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion)
I think you have no idea about the WO culture.AFAIK that thread is where the real bitcoiners (to say the least, you may find fudsters there too) are lurking and it is the real thing in this forum. You're complaining that posts there aren't worthy to be merited but have you spent even an hour of your forum hours there and see what they've really got there? If not then you should do. Mind me you'll feel the hatters.
Yes, have spent a lot of time there and sometimes their conversation on there is off-topic and ever someone who's not in their circle there make a right post he's somehow ignored.You should understand one thing, not every good post is going to be merited yes this is unfair but that is the reality of our world as well not everyone has the same kind of life. So just do what you are doing and let the merits come at you.
NotedIf campaign managers are selecting participants based on merits alone then this is wrong and not much-reputed bitcoin signature campaign managers were doing this.
What actually brings out this subject was a user of this forum that applied for a campaign and expected to be selected due to the amount of merit he earned. I went through his posts, all i can see for almost more than a week duration post was one-liners messages.what are the forum mods doing about all this?
Nothing. Awarding merit is not moderated, the mods don't have time or the inclination to deal with that as a headache. Also, awarding merit is subjective, every one who has received merit can give away their sMerit anyway they wish, within reason. I'm not a merit source, but I can only assume the same holds true for them. No body is looking over the merit source's shoulder to make sure they are giving merit to the "right posts."
Then there's this:
If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me.
Understood. This is not complain about amount but the purpose of the merit scheme and if we will look at it carefully the merit system which was actually created to improve quality posts have failed.
I do not believe the probable majority of merit earned in the WO thread would have a hope in hell of being merited elsewhere
You're an honest gentleman. God bless you.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies
WO thread is the tip of the iceberg. Merit is the most dangerous and damaging thing ever introduced to this forum.
It's design, as a member previously mentioned is very similar to fiat that powers the central banking system.
Source, by trading or cycling merits with other sources and their close allies who vote each other on to Default Trust, control the eligibility of members to generate revenue here and therefore control their free speech.
There could be tweaks to mitigate the negative impact of merit. Those have been ignored and further destructive power given to the merit metric over time.
The results are as you would expect. Merit sources and mates stacked with merit, entrenched in default trust wearing the highest paying signatures. Other members kissing up supporting their every word not daring to step out of line dreaming of their chip mixer day in the sun. On route to one large echo chamber
Don't expect any support for moving towards a useful fair and sensible distribution of merits in meta. This is the nest of the vipers. Their power and advantage would dissipate almost immediately if the playing field was made level.
WO sees a crazy amount of merits cycled for memes and garbage. One could go there and play human centipede between Bob and bones261. You first mate. I'll enjoy my red tags and no merits if you won't mind.
It's design, as a member previously mentioned is very similar to fiat that powers the central banking system.
Source, by trading or cycling merits with other sources and their close allies who vote each other on to Default Trust, control the eligibility of members to generate revenue here and therefore control their free speech.
There could be tweaks to mitigate the negative impact of merit. Those have been ignored and further destructive power given to the merit metric over time.
The results are as you would expect. Merit sources and mates stacked with merit, entrenched in default trust wearing the highest paying signatures. Other members kissing up supporting their every word not daring to step out of line dreaming of their chip mixer day in the sun. On route to one large echo chamber
Don't expect any support for moving towards a useful fair and sensible distribution of merits in meta. This is the nest of the vipers. Their power and advantage would dissipate almost immediately if the playing field was made level.
WO sees a crazy amount of merits cycled for memes and garbage. One could go there and play human centipede between Bob and bones261. You first mate. I'll enjoy my red tags and no merits if you won't mind.
Hey look bud, I've distributed my merits in a whole lot more places than the WO board. Stop busting my chops. I never asked to become a merit source. It was granted to me. All this fucking volunteer work that I have done for this forum and I have to sit here and read vitriol from the likes of you. Since you mentioned that you enjoy your red tags, I won't be giving you any.
I'd consider giving you a shitload of merit just to spite you. However, I am fresh out. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, you can just go fuck off.
Every merit score is a collective vote open to anyone.
I do not believe the probable majority of merit earned in the WO thread would have a hope in hell of being merited elsewhere but it's everyone's personal choice where that merit is sent.
The most egregious examples of merit piss taking between clearly worthless posts or accounts are usually picked up on and singled out rapidly so I think it's doing the job it was intended to do with the odd weird outlier.
And why are you not moaning about threads about merit stats? That's the true bottomless pit for the throwing around of merit.
I do not believe the probable majority of merit earned in the WO thread would have a hope in hell of being merited elsewhere but it's everyone's personal choice where that merit is sent.
The most egregious examples of merit piss taking between clearly worthless posts or accounts are usually picked up on and singled out rapidly so I think it's doing the job it was intended to do with the odd weird outlier.
And why are you not moaning about threads about merit stats? That's the true bottomless pit for the throwing around of merit.
But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion)
I think you have no idea about the WO culture. This is an unmoderated thread by forum officials. Yes we have info who take cares of unwanted posts and he is doing very well. Regarding merits in WO, once you will get to know with our culture then you will realize we are not just handing out merits for no reasons. There are reasons to send out merits and we understand humors very well.Do visit us sometimes to know aobut us more, it's hard to explain.
By the way, I think this is a meta topic not for Bitcoin Discussions.
The thread is so long that you can't retrieve any old post there, so it's fully irrelevant to merit any post overthere...
except if you just want to exchange merits between friends...
WO thread is the tip of the iceberg. Merit is the most dangerous and damaging thing ever introduced to this forum.
It's design, as a member previously mentioned is very similar to fiat that powers the central banking system.
Source, by trading or cycling merits with other sources and their close allies who vote each other on to Default Trust, control the eligibility of members to generate revenue here and therefore control their free speech.
There could be tweaks to mitigate the negative impact of merit. Those have been ignored and further destructive power given to the merit metric over time.
The results are as you would expect. Merit sources and mates stacked with merit, entrenched in default trust wearing the highest paying signatures. Other members kissing up supporting their every word not daring to step out of line dreaming of their chip mixer day in the sun. On route to one large echo chamber
Don't expect any support for moving towards a useful fair and sensible distribution of merits in meta. This is the nest of the vipers. Their power and advantage would dissipate almost immediately if the playing field was made level.
WO sees a crazy amount of merits cycled for memes and garbage. One could go there and play human centipede between Bob and bones261. You first mate. I'll enjoy my red tags and no merits if you won't mind.
It's design, as a member previously mentioned is very similar to fiat that powers the central banking system.
Source, by trading or cycling merits with other sources and their close allies who vote each other on to Default Trust, control the eligibility of members to generate revenue here and therefore control their free speech.
There could be tweaks to mitigate the negative impact of merit. Those have been ignored and further destructive power given to the merit metric over time.
The results are as you would expect. Merit sources and mates stacked with merit, entrenched in default trust wearing the highest paying signatures. Other members kissing up supporting their every word not daring to step out of line dreaming of their chip mixer day in the sun. On route to one large echo chamber
Don't expect any support for moving towards a useful fair and sensible distribution of merits in meta. This is the nest of the vipers. Their power and advantage would dissipate almost immediately if the playing field was made level.
WO sees a crazy amount of merits cycled for memes and garbage. One could go there and play human centipede between Bob and bones261. You first mate. I'll enjoy my red tags and no merits if you won't mind.
One person's garbage is another person's treasure. If the WO regulars want to merit pictures of big green dildos and scantily clad women, that's their prerogative. The only time the administration got involved is when a merit source staged a merit giveaway. The only requirement was to be one of the first few people to post anything in the WO thread. That merit source had his privilege taken away.
Maybe it should also be noted that he was sending it in huge lots of 25/50 (IIRC) merits for each single post. And, AFAIK, even that was not considered abuse (there were clearly no ill intention or collusion), but Theymos just decided that it was not appropriate usage of the sourced merits.
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