Topic: Forum merit system (Read 1057 times)

I'm definitely not that type and if you know me as a person you'll understand how mature i was. Just created this thread in other to speak my mind after i saw someone claiming what he's not eligible for and i don't think that's offense though.

I have to lock this thread because the conversation is already causing drama among people.

Throw this dog a merit morsel
WO thread for you please. How did you escape?
Did you not see my challenge ?
Keep dreaming of chip mixer puppy.
The dunces caps you guys have are cute.
Remove the bitcoin begging bowl from your sig son.
I will take a laugh at your WO merit abuse later.

You should get professional help for your obsessions. Not only you are wasting the time of many others... which it seems it is the lesser of your problems, but you are also wasting your life and whatever mental health you still have left with this trivial and pointless quixotic crusade.

And you all guys are doing him no favour feeding his mental issues each and every time. This must come to a stop. It's not fun anymore. I'm done here.

Care for a debate just me and you? Or run away?

Yes or No?

I will create the thread?

It has not been "debunked" on even one occasion.  A lone crackpot with schizophrenia has repeatedly expressed an opinion on the matter, but is too much of a chickenshit to do it from their main account.  No one seems to acknowledge their continued butthurt.



Swing and a miss.  Thanks for playing, though.

You could argue that it was created to address coplaints, but it only addressed spam to rank up accounts. It was also long overdue. Outright spam was not addressed for a long time after that too. See how bloated the 'report plagiarism' thread became for instance.

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

Also very scared to debate the improvements that have been suggested many times.

Notice chipmixer, DT and probably merit source. Very positive for him.
Very negative for the entire forum.

This one run away from any challenge to confirm his words. Same for most member in meta. They like "subjectivity" this they can abuse for themselves. As we see merit sources and their mates all get the most merits (from each other ) all believe each other are the most trustworthy and all have all the best sigs.


His saying shitposts on WO getting a ton of merit because it's all subjective and unmoderated. Suchmoons telling merit score is meaningless. Is not really good value for crushing free speech and assisting very cunning and high level scammers impervious to warnings and punishment. With the other host of insoluble problems.
So many negatives could be mitigated with some tweaks.

These people want it as unfair and subjective as possible. It is working nicely for them.
They run from debating improvements. scumbags.

WO thread is just a more obvious abuse but the entire design is abuse because it relies on members acting selflessly

You are likely incorrect about that.  Most credible WO posters refer to women in the WO thread as "gal" or some other similar singular referent, which causes me to believe that there might only be one woman participant therein.  Who woulda thunk?   

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.

Theymos in my very own opinion has a very good sense of what's needed for the forum and does very well in implementing new features and rules. But sometimes it feels like a blind eye is turned to serious complaints that a minority of users care about. And some other times, the opinion of Theymos is regarded too highly even if it's not mandatory to do so. Take his new thoughts on trust ratings for instance. Many users have been quoting this post as if there's authority on trust ratings, even though they were never meant to be regulated.

Anyway, just my two cents. I think the community here is good at following rules, not making them. Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

Thank you for the support.  I will try to stop feeding them LFC Bitcoin.

Please stay on topic. The " everybody  knows" defense is about your limit.

LFC Bitcoin and Micgoosens are probably 2 of the biggest shitposters on this forum and WO thread, I wonder if LFC bitcoin holds the record of 1 or 2 lines speculative guessing and memes. Have a look.  Thousands of them. You would only need view a picture of micgoosens that he splatters all over WO to form a very accurate opinion of his capability  to create a post of value.

LFC Bitcoin does produce reasonably valuable PMs.

WO I think means Women Only. There is a distinctly bitchy vibe when " outsiders" question the true value of that mess.
Waste of board resources. I was going to suggest deleting merits there but just delete the thread. When you see members with huge arrows tattooed down their arms with notice saying  "place beer here " pointing to grubby scribbled on hands giving to da moon bitcoin predictions the damage is done.

@Ibian - you need read more of meta. Many great improvements  have been suggested.
Better to comment once you have researched.

@bones261 stop crying troll without presenting the evidence of trolling.  That's like me calling you a rapist and not bringing evidence.  Present the evidence or refrain from making unsubstantiated  accusations wolfy.

Accept WO thread is a concentrated shitposting dump where lots of merit is cycled around for mass stupidity.
Stop deflecting.

You are probably right. I deleted my newest response. However, when a particular troll's user name is somewhat similar to mine, it's hard not to take notice. My last name isn't Jones, though.

Don’t feed the troll bones, he’s just looking for a reaction. Everybody knows you’re a highly trusted, respected member of the community.

Losers like that need to get a life. Seriously it’s not worth the time it takes you to respond.

Speculation, conflating community with a handful of scammer supporting dirt bags  
Good post.
Try to make some points that pose some challenges one time please.
Try to debunk the current insoluble problems.
Try to debunk the proposed improvements
Should I bring them?
WO is just another example. Not a special case. Like you say : shitpost is fine it subjective and not moderated.
You seem very afraid of transparent objective standards and people be treated equally? Why?

This place generally runs as the community wills it to.  The very fact that you have to resort to posting from an alt-account to make it look as though there's more dissent than there really is speaks volumes.

Since they (merits) are currently undeniably subjective, gamed and meaningless crap, That also undeniably cause all of the other insoluble problems nobody has refuted time and time again when discussed.

Then the solution to the problem is removed the trashy merit system or reduce its purpose to what its design is useful for only: stop  bots ranking up. This worthless metric has no business being conflated  with trust or post quality. Campaign managers must have transparent objective standards to measure candidate against them.

There have been many good improvements suggested to both the merit and trust designs, of course those abusing the current flawed design for their own selfish gain (most of meta) are going to fight any changes.

Doomed clearly acknowledges there is zero objective or reliable credible value to this garbage and yet Theymos thinks you can built the entire forum on it ? Imagine a tiny tiny subset only gives most of it out and they themselves receive the most, they themselfs can vote each other on DT and they can have all best sigs and revenue positions. Hey the " community" of meta where all merit source, dt, and best signs say its brilliant. Wow why they take this view? So weird?

For Bones261 whilst you are openly supporting scammers I will consider you very open to my legitimate criticism. One should expect to be criticized for supporting scammers.

It sounds like you still don't "get" WO.  It's the closest thing the forums have to an informal chatroom, so it's not held to the same standards as the rest of the board.  Everything that needed doing was done ~3 years ago.  If you want the full history lesson, these topics, in this order, should be all the reading material you need in order to understand:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wall-observer-thread-locked-1990962
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-to-do-with-the-wall-observer-thread-1993570
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wall-observer-new-ownership-2004227

Alternatively, if that's too much to sift through, the short version is that, rather than discouraging users from making off topic posts in WO, users are now discouraged from reporting off topic posts in WO because the moderators don't want to deal with the additional workload it was generating.  Ergo, off topic posts (within reason) are permitted in WO.

As for your gripes about merit for "shitposts", the simple fact is that merit awarding is subjective and you don't get to determine other users' criteria for handing them out.  If they find these posts entertaining, they are free to merit them.

These kinds of people don't have any solutions. They just like to complain, and hope that someone not them gets tired of their whining and does something. Which is why their cows get no merits.

Calling all of you out. Explain why this is a big enough problem to bother anyone who can actually do a thing, and propose something better. Betcha not one of you can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCzmOknrN70

So what is your solution? You want to take source merits away from them? Why? Less source merits = less received merits = less sMerits in circulation = less chance of lower rank accounts getting merited. It's basic merit-nomics.

If you really feel strongly about it, I guess you'll have to PM theymos, since nobody can change the system except for him -- nor does anybody else want to.

This thread doesn't need to have half a dozen merit sources almost fully dedicated to it, that's not obvious for you?