Topic: Forum policy regarding Faketoshi - page 2. (Read 829 times)

Threads about BSV should be moved to altcoins. This is blatantly obvious - BSV is not bitcoin.

Threads about CSW are more tricky. I am not in favor of censorship (regardless of how stupid CSW's lies are). The most recent thread - Craig Wright claims , today will be the last day for Bitcoins - actually probably does belong in bitcoin discussion, since it is discussing bitcoin and not BSV. I do agree with DooMAD that it is obvious that threads like this, although talking about bitcoin, are designed solely to drum up interest in BSV. However, I will also concede that given this thread is about a recent event/new "claim", although again obvious nonsense, shouldn't be trashed.

There are other threads, however, which I think should be trashed. Threads like Craig Wright: "BTC is not Bitcoin" and How an interviewer made Craig Wright sweat about the question if he's Satoshi!. These threads are low value and uninteresting. They are bringing no new information which hasn't been discussed 100 times before, namely CSW doesn't like bitcoin and claims to be Satoshi. At the very least, they should be moved to Off Topic since they are discussing CSW and not bitcoin.

Faketoshi is Bitcoin's biggest enemy and we should be talking about the enemies of bitcoin core,even in the Bitcoin discussion forum.Ignoring him completely simply won't work in the long term.
Newcomers in the forum have to be aware about Wright,or they will think this guy has something to do with bitcoin.

While censorship is not something I would vote for I do think this situation requires more of a fight back from the bitcoin community, my fear is that the Nchain and BSV sockpuppets are in full attack mode against not only bitcoin but many of the outstanding people in the space.

 I have found many new BSV supporters taking to Youtube to slate and attempt to discredit some of the long term bitcoin supports..

Some of the people who have been attacked in public are Andreas Antonopoulos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBQvJkATZVE
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKqVuMDIfxjtooRKCS-G0hg

You only need to look at this guy to know he's a shill probably being paid to output this content.

Now while I do say everyone has the right to chose to use what every they see fit what I don't think is right is the fact that not 1 but 2 projects now have taken the bitcoin name and attempted to use it to manipulate users.

There must be some way we can protect  the Bitcoin name from abuse like this and I think the community should be looking into ways to protect bitcoin thru the relative channels.  

Furthermore we need more education for new users and businesses to help protect them from this toxic bunch of people.

While the love for bitcoin is still strong and those who understand and have been "around the block" for some time understand what is going on but for the new users or company's out there looking at us from the outside.. Things may not look so peachy.

If you see topics about altcoins or about CSW in wrong sections, report them so that they're moved, or post here if they aren't being moved and you think they should.


As obvious as it should appear to be (with nChain/CSW applying for hundreds of cryptocurrency-related patents) I had never actually taken that into consideration. Many businesses, especially smaller ones may react just like that.

On one hand I agree that threads related to him tend heavily to off-topic.

On the other hand, a big part of the reason that he's caused so much disruption (and he truly has)-- is because so many bitcoiners took one look at him, saw how transparently fake he was, and decided it was best to ignore him.  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.  And that is what has happened here--

It's easy for him to spin the people who do speak out against his fraud as somehow being involved with some kind of personal play against him because as a community we haven't stood united against his fraud.  Instead, far too many have just responded like "Good thing I'm not ignorant enough to fall for that, better stay away so I don't get targeted with drama too."

In the future we're going to see more crap like him threatening any business that accepts Bitcoin with patent litigation, to which the common response will be "damn, this bitcoin stuff isn't worth the trouble" from most parties who's business isn't primarily about Bitcoin.  How could you expect otherwise when your response to wright is "damn, this wright stuff isn't worth the trouble"?

Because his lies are so prolific and layered in every one of these threads there are some newer bitcoiners that end up being corrected and put on a more sensible path.  It isn't always a question of people believing him outright, often its falling for one of his lesser lies like the claim that he's an "og bitcoin investor" or that kleiman had something to do with Bitcoin's creation.

The Wright threads also make it really easy to identify many idiots and shills.  I think we're all made better off by having access to such a quick classifier of the character of our fellow posters.

If someone broke into your house and was stealing stuff-- you wouldn't just say 'that thief doesn't deserve our attention' and ignore them.  We shouldn't hesitate to defend Bitcoin and the community surrounding it.

People do, for the most part, ignore people that caused trouble in the past but aren't anymore. You hear about wright because his scams are ongoing and still growing.

Now-- if you want to argue that various threads aren't very effective and that the community could do better?  I couldn't agree more.

Though I love him dearly for his sheer ludicrousness I hereby vow to never contribute to another new thread about him ever again. I will be forced to dip into the scam accusation one occasionally as it's just too much fun. That's where he should remain, that and forever being the queen of our hearts.

Okay so like how Welsh said, censorship might not be the way, but a suggestion if it wasn't obvious enough, tag the faketoshi guys. Its obviously quite sketchy and manipulative trying to delusionize people into believing in things that are made up by an absolute horse fucker of a nincompoop. Create flags, and start topics, and common retaliation and drama will follow, and soon they will disappear. As for the discussions, I am pretty sure mods will handle it calmingly well, they'll be trashed, or moved. You'll just get used to it, tbh, it will be like "mErIt sYsTeM sUcKs" all over again, except in different boards, and it will be Craig dumbshit Wright, and poor people's altcoins(forked crappy coins).

As with most things I'd say take them on a case by case basis. If they're mostly about alts or specifically bitcoin cash then they should be in the alt coin section but if they're just repeating the same things and offer nothing new in terms of discussion or evidence then they're redundant and should just be trashed. There's already enough threads of who is satoshi and is craig wright really satoshi and they usually get trashed and so should any others unless they're claiming something new or fresh.


It might be funny if he was trolling, but he's not. He's deadly serious and has to be to try commit his various frauds. He's in too deep to just come out now and say otherwise and doing so would just open him up to a lot of legal trouble (as if he wasn't in enough already).

Some people find his trolling amusing. Especially when he threatened to destroy bitcoin with one single move which never happened....
Pathetic piece of clown accompanied by a pedo-guy who should be jailed as well.

I agree that we should stop cuddling his mind-twisted ego, and just remain silent.

Never argue with an idiot. People watching (newbies in our case) won't be able to tell the difference.

I assure you not many users over in the Altcoin section want to see his garbage either

I don't usually read much of the discussion about him, but if it applies solely to altcoin, and doesn't have any relation to Bitcoin at all then you can report it, and it'll likely be moved. As for discussion relating to Bitcoin as long as its quality discussion then I don't think censorship is the right answer.

I'd like to see a scam accusation section board within the Altcoin section. I think it would be beneficial as the current setup is a little confusing to see Bitcoin, and altcoin sections separated in most sections, but Scam accusations, and reputation.

That's a fair point, OP edited to reflect that.  The Altcoins sub shouldn't be used as a dumping ground for garbage, even if it often feels like one.  

I don't think we should hide topics about CSW or debunking all of his idiotic claims. While it is obvious for most, Craig (and the people supporting him) can do a great job of confusing newcomers. I agree that he doesn't deserve the attention but people should be protected against his lies until he goes to jail.

I get your point, and understand your outrage.  But, I don't think that all the threads about CSW would be on topic if they were moved to the altcoin board.  Some are specific to reputation, and most are better kept in the scam accusations board.  Because BSV is a scam, and CSW is a lying POS scammer.

I'd like to put forth a few arguments to present the case that it's high time for all topics about Craig Scammer Wright to be moved to the Altcoins section [//EDIT: Or some other, more appropriate, section] on sight.  

• First and foremost, he doesn't deserve the attention we give him
• Almost all threads about Faketoshi devolve into people talking about forked chains and other altcoins anyway
• Even when he claims to be talking about Bitcoin, every insane thing Faketoshi says is deliberately calculated to attract attention towards his fork
• Faketoshi has absolutely no official connection to Bitcoin itself, but the more we talk about him, the more it appears as though he's somehow important or relevant
• It sets the tone that, as a community, we want to distance ourselves from the constant, sordid three-ring-circus/pantomime/freak-show he embodies
• We shouldn't be providing a platform for con-artists to further their fraudulent agendas, it's irresponsible

It's time to draw a line under this and move on.  Feel free to add more arguments, or dispute or critique the ones I've laid out.  If someone responds with an argument I like, I'll add it to the list.

^{Topic Rules:  Absolutely NO discussion of forked chains or altcoins here, please}