Topic: FRAUD WARNING - page 2. (Read 4731 times)

Now, that TONE was 100% uncalled for. Your action just brought Bitfury down a notch.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/niko-punin/0/58/263

Go there and read the names on the right sidebar that's associated with Bitfury.

dude, shut up, i dealed with bitfury years ago, they were as legit as u can get ... punin just posted a warning and u try to move the discussion someplace else ... mind your own business

Yes, found it (I guess it's Niko Punin) but this is even more worrying; if I we search for more info about Bitfury at the Chamber of Commerce I see the holding bv has 1 employee, the Development bv has none (0, zero) and the R&D bv has also 1 employee. So where do all these other people fit into the "team"... (CEO, CTO, CFO - at least - are considered "employees" and who are they "chief" of?)

Sorry, but to me - personally - only more and more red flags arise...

And as I - already - said: nothing personal, but after being burned by BFL I am very, VERY careful who I deal with in bitcoinland. So these "issues" raised here should be dealt with before I would consider doing business with them.

Look at http://www.bitfury.com/team and search the net for "Punin". Although you are right about signature, I meant that this guy does not hide behind some anonymous handle. This is the only thing I meant to say.

First name?

Last name?

Only name?!?

Sorry, but that just does not seem to me to be a good way of signing as a "Head of Product Development" (of a 2 - or maybe even 1 - man show)...

I have my own company with a similar (holding) structure. Since I am "proud" of that (read: don't have anything to hide or "be afraid of") I sign my "official statements" like this:

Drs. Slobodan Bogovac MBA
Directeur Grootaandeelhouder (DGA)
Bogovac & Bogovac bv

FYI: Punin is his real name AFIK

I would still be vary careful dealing with this company;

If you search for them in the Trade Register (at: http://www.kvk.nl/zoeken/#!zoeken&q=bitfury&index=4&site=kvk2014&start=0 ) you'll notice the holding comprises of three "entities":
1. Bitfury Holding B.V. at the Barbara Strozzilaan 201 in Amsterdam,
2. Bitfury R&D B.V. also at the Barbara Strozzilaan 201 in Amsterdam, and
3. Bitfury Development B.V. at the De Klenckestraat 9 in Almere

a. B.V. means: private LLC (so there is no liability beyond the company's assets if the proverbial shit hits the fans), and
b. The main tenant/owner of the adres: Barbara Strozzilaan 201 in Amsterdam is a company called spaces.nl who "offer offices for companies of all sizes" and the number listed at the Chamber of Commerce for Bitfury (+31(0)20-2402400) is the reception of said company (spaces.nl). And the other address (De Klenckestraat 9 in Almere) is "just" a house (see: https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.3884259,5.2617386,3a,75y,347.8h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sreHKm5zecY9ABPSgUruVEQ!2e0 ).

So if we dig further into the financials of this company (at that same Trade Register / Chamber of Commerce) we see that all three companies have not filed (not one) Annual report (which is mandatory on an annual basis for a B.V. / LLC). This could be "perfectly normal" for a company that has been founded in 2014 or even 2013 (although the bitfury website states: "Established in 2011"), but still... Does not allow for a lot of confirmation -> trust.

Then, if we look at the individual companies we see the holding has a whopping 1 employee, the Development bv has none (0, zero) and the R&D bv has also 1 employee. So I wander how much Research and development is going on between these 2 (or maybe the same, so 1) people goes on, without some serious finances (see previous point) to back them (him) up... Further more; this is in total contradiction of what their own website states when you take a look at the "team"...

Lastly the user "punin" takes great care into his signature to mention he's 'Head of Product Development [of] Bitfury Holding B.V. [linking] www. bit fury .com but "forgets" to sign with his real name... All in all not really "reassuring".

Sorry dude, nothing personal. But after being burned by BFL I am very, VERY careful who I deal with in bitcoinland.

Well, you fucked up, bud! If you would have operated nefariously like BFL, you wouldn't have people sitting up fake sites to steal away your customers. If I'm not mistaken, only one person made such a mistake mimicking BFL till he came to his senses wondering what the fuck he was thinking and trying to accomplish by representing a scam outfit via a scam outfit. Next time don't be so viable and you wouldn't have these worries.

/s 

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FRAUD WARNING
There is a growing number of Internet sites using the “BitFury” name, purporting to represent BitFury and positioning themselves as official information resources for BitFury. These fraudulent web sites do not have our permission to represent us. We believe that their sole purpose is to defraud our customers and partners.
BitFury reserves the right to take legal action to stop fraudulent activities conducted by dishonest market players. BitFury does not assume any responsibility for potential risks related to the use of any information posted at any non-BitFury web site. These web sites are NOT official information resources for BitFury or its subsidiaries. If you receive any commercial offers from companies whose web site names were made up to resemble the domain names of the BitFury group of companies, please report such facts to us at:  [[email protected]]. The official site of Bitfury is www.bitfury.com or www.bitfury.org.

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