Topic: Free Bitcoins on The Bitcoin Show Next Monday sponsored by Coinbits.com (Read 3805 times)

Haha OK Rassah.  In a real sense I'll never give a shit about anything that happens over an internet forums and I imagine most people are the same.  I click on the next tab in my internet browser and everyone here disappears.  However confined in the purview of this small forum community I think you and I care about as much as anyone else.

After this post I'll go eat some food and not give a shit what Bruce did to who since I can't be bothered carrying around concern for almost any action that doesn't directly touch me.  So in that sense you're absolutely right.

I absolutely agree with RaggedMonk and Portnoy.

Strawmen, ad-homs, and other logical fallacies are fallacies, but they're also extremely effective.  And, given how often they are used mistakenly, you can imagine how much influence they have on a person's psychology.

From what I have read about Bruce, I don't even want him USING Bitcoin.  He HAS committed fraud, he HAS discussed the prostitution of underage boys, so at this point I don't even care about whether my reasoning is fallacious or not.  My INTUITION tells me this guy is absolutely no good.

Ad hominem attack?  No one is trying to win an argument by trying to attack one who voices the other side of said argument. The whole
point is Bruce Wagner's sociopathology. And he is being criticized exactly for his actions, not his views on Bitcoin or his sexual preferences etc.

Sure it is possible the leopard may change his spots but there is a lot of evidence that he should not be trusted to represent Bitcoin in any way.  
Even before trying to get a paid vacation to "play" with boys in Pattaya; even before the mortgage scams; there was a lot of evidence of him
pulling scams in his escort business and other dishonest behavior.  You can even see it in his posts here when he was asked to reconsider
a conference in Pattaya, he attacked those members and called them trolls and children and showed a very unprofessional attitude as if there
was nothing at all he should have to reconsider, or explain in regard to his past behavior and choices.  An arrogance and lack of foresight typical
of sociopaths. He kinda shot himself in the foot with that whole business. If he just backed away from the choice of Pattaya then a lot of his
past criminal actions might not have come to light.  

If you want to support Bruce, and any businesses who want to associate themselves with a well known repeat scammer, go ahead. I, like many
others here it seems ( sorry Rassah but there are some of us who 'do' care about this, even if you don't give a shit ), just feel it is responsible
to speak out against this scammer every time we see him trying to further associate himself with Bitcoin and use it to boost his own ego and
enhance his finances, to the detriment of Bitcoin and the community...  Do we have to wait for his next scam before more people speak out
against him. No doubt even then there will be those who will want to give him a second... oh wait, it must be up to at least a fifth or sixth
chance by now....  

How many is a reasonable number of chances to give a sociopathic personality type which rather than changing their behavior instead,
time and again, takes advantage of others willingness to forgive and forget?  You can even see it in a few of his senior citizen mortgage scam
victims. "Ah well he is isn't really bad. He just got in over his head. His heart is in the right place."     And because of that heart of his he of
course doesn't even attempt to repay anyone he ripped-off and instead flees the state and gets his lawyers to play through the usual legal
loop-holes so he can start again on his next big scheme somewhere else...  

    

Sorry, I do not believe in guilt by association. 

Exactly, no need to factor in things like past history when dealing with investments in new currencies and screw taking a second and allowing yourself to rightfully judge a business based on it's advertising choices.

I don't think anyone here is prohibiting Bruce from using Bitcoin.  That is impossible and unreasonable.  I just think we shouldn't support him in the role which lets him recommend places to keep your money.

I don't have anything to do with Bruce.   I just believe people can change their behavior.  That's why I consider ad hominem attacks irrational - speak out against actions, not persons.  It makes me sad that when Bruce promotes bitcoin you see it as an affront to Bitcoin and try to boycott the guest of the show, instead of considering he's trying to do something good.  If promoting bitcoin is good, leave coinbits alone.

The main problem is that no one really gives a shit, one way or another.

In light of the other stuff uncovered about Bruce I think it's possible he was at least partly behind the mybitcoin incident.

Even if he wasn't at all, I don't think there is enough bashing available in the world for that boy banging, grandma's last dollar to save her house stealing, scammer.

I cringe every time someone even hints at any sort of defense for that guy after his past actions came out.  Mortgage refinance fraud is low, really low.  He should be ostracized completely in my opinion.

Sure he can use bitcoin, I don't think there should be any effort to ever stop anyone from using it, however any business or person that associates with him should be pointed out loudly and often as a service to all the rational people out there that wouldn't want to promote or be involved with scum.

Personally I think people that pay for a forums to type gossip shit about other people to feel better about themselves are fairly sad, however this is one that SA got right.

Stick to the mortgage fraud, there is a paper trail and conviction.   The stuff above just makes you look stupid. 

While you I guess I am just feeding the troll....

A lot of bad people use cash.  A lot of bad people use Visa.  I do not think we can sanitize cash, credit cards or Bitcoin.  People you will not like, who have done things you don't like, or even have done illegal things will use Bitcoin.  That is the way it is. 

Read more than just what he wrote.  The rest of the threads tear his arguments apart.  So, are you personally friends/scam partners with him, or just naive?

In "three pronged attack" he argues that his words of the post were inside of a quote block, and what was outside of the quote block was someone else's. Nobody does that, not even him when he posted on here.   It sounds like Bold-faced lie to me. There are a lot of coincidences around mybitcoin that appear to point to him, but it is unlikely there will ever be enough evidence for anyone to press charges.

It would be ridiculous to think that Bruce should be prevented from using bitcoin.  I have no problem with that.  I have a problem with him promoting and recommending bitcoin services.   He has already recommended one that has stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoin.

About mybitcoin:
There is no way we will find a conclusive answer, but from what I have seen this looks like a possibility. This is not fact, it is conjecture:
-He sets up MyBitcoin (using the same obscure host as OnlyOneTV- a big coincidence)
-Promotes it on many of his shows
-Astroturf-promotes it with the name T** Williams  (which he had previously used to astroturf for Bold Funding)
-He decides he wants to cash out, so he takes the site down.
-He cries and moans about how he just lost an amount of money approximately equal to the total deposits people have put into MyBitcoin
-He says he is in contact with the FBI to make people feel like the theft has already been reported (someone said they called the FBI and they have no record of Wagner)
-He puts the site back up, allowing people to redeem 49% of their deposits
-He keeps the rest, claiming it was his part of the 49% being returned
There you have it.  A free pile of money that no one can prove you stole.

If he is still recommending sites on his show, why should anyone think those businesses are legit?  The guy has a horrible track record.

I didn't mean literally we already doing a cyber hanging already!

Jeez bbit, are you a sociopath?  Nobody said anything about killing or hanging anyone.   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

lol wow   yes seems like its 50/50 on Bruce  - maybe we should just "hang him" or something!



Thanks Cage that is brutally ugly what I had up there!  btw: your catching up to Bitcoin Porn on the # of posts in the top 10  - get to it! I see bitcoin porn on today he must have heard hahaha

I think I just found 38,000 more talk show hosts that... https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22talk+show+host+convicted%22

I'm going to remain neutral on this issue. Interesting arguments for both sides, nonetheless.

~Bruno~

Rush Limbaugh was convicted of popping pills how did that effect you ?  I forget what Liddy was jailed for  either way your saying since Rush Limbaugh pop'd pills he shouldn't be allowed to use bitcoins? interesting logic  you have there ...

Bruce is in good company with other successful convicted felons like talkshow hosts G. Gordon Liddy and Rush Limbaugh.

lol yes, ok, will nobody is asking you to do your "company finances" with him ? he runs a internet T.V show on bitcoins ?  how does this have to do with your "company finances"?

Maybe, he can come paint my house also!