Topic: Free - Crypto Casino Script Plinko + Crash Full Installation Document - page 3. (Read 799 times)

Do you understand you can remove all mentions of the original dev from the code?

The only way phoenix will be able to prove they made it is by giving us the real name, last name and the name of the company that made the casino code.
They ofc wont do this since they never coded a single line of that casino source.

Wouldn't there be a legacy code or something in the script that will prove who owns the code and who created it? I think that it's a thing that developers do to protect their codes in the case that someone tries to steal it? I like that your conversation is a thread, helps a lot so other people can weigh in and see who's the scammer.

This doesnt prove ANYTHING. Phoenix gambling will always claim they're the original devs - and thats the problem. They're not original devs and I dont understand why is it taken for granted they're the OG?

1) Its quite sad to see people accusing others with 0 evidence + I have all the evidence to show phoenix gambling are scammers yet people on here constantly choose to ignore it.
2) the buyer (OP) agreed with me that the installation would take place yesterday yet he posted my code (my updates) for sale on here 3 days prior and then he chose to lie to me about that not being him.

I don't work with scammers and liars and he did both those things - I'm not obligated to install it for him as he broke the agreement we had + he lied to me.
The agreement we had was absolutely NO reselling. If he wanted refund why did he agree to have it installed yesterday? If he asked me for refund why did he post my code for sale 3 days prior?

He tried to scam me by asking for refund and people on here just fail to realise that.

I won't reply anymore as its pointless, you people don't really care about evicence or logic.
If anyone wants to discuss this further please join my discord and check for yourself.

OP made a great show here but thats all it is - a show.

Anyone doubting me can join my discord and discuss this with me - I'm not afraid of accusations and I'm not here to scam people.

It seems pretty evident here who the actual scammer is. I will quote your post with img edits for better visibility:

I dont want to keep this anymore but as i speak with Phoenix Gambling.
I just wanted to share screenshot.
You never keep your promise.
1 and half month come on ?
You said phoenix not real owner, lets see who is is real owner.
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Edit : Check dates and promises(there is more if need)
https://i.ibb.co/BVpTV0s/this-2.png
https://i.ibb.co/WB6r9sT/this-3.png
https://i.ibb.co/LdV0Xfy/this1.png
Edit 2 : If we say something against you, you are always "ban" without question, you have banned me from channel, even our common friend banned from the other channel even he is innocent just try to help me.
Pathetic.
So we cannot say anything about you.

I never said phoenix was the owner but just one of the resellers who pasted their logo all over the base code.
I will continue this discussion once someone posts the information on original owners of the code, meaning name, last name, country, address etc.

I cant prove something doesnt exist (aka the code has no owner) but you can prove the original dev exists... so where is he?

I'm not sure why are we even discussing this and not the fact the OP tried to resell my code (When i say my code i mean MY UPDATES TO PLUBLICLY AVAILABLE CODE) + my installation guide.

to put simply:

1) I'm selling my own updates - the base code is free and I never claimed I coded the whole thing.
2) The OP bought the updates from me and tried to resell them.
3) Phoenix took the base code and branded it as their own code without doing any updates.

There is no connection between me and phoenix other than they're accusing me of stealing their work while they themselves CANT prove they're the original devs of the code in question.
If they were original dev they would've proven it A LONG TIME AGO and this discussion would not happen every 3 months.

Now im no lawyer but isn't it "innocent till proven guilty"? Why do people accuse me of stealing when they cant provide ANY evidence of my doing any actual stealing.
Who did I steal from? The friendly ghost casper? Lets be rational.

I'm also having a hard time figuring out everything, he claims he is the developer and accuses one of reselling his script now he posted this
If there's no license then it is free distribution, when you claim to own a script then you should be the creator or you have a license for it coming from the original creator, everything emanates from the original creator if you have no deal with the original creator it's not yours or you modified it and claim it as yours.
swaga, if he knows what he is talking about, should present his position once and for all to settle this, by telling us the complete history of the script from the start.

swaga, I'm going through your discussions now and I noticed one thing. Sometimes you claim that it is your software, your code, but later you say that it was a code from Phoenix gambling. Also, you get it from a developer or download it for free. Will you make a final decision about your status according to this script?


Do you have proof that you have a license to resell that script? (Remember, you yourself wrote earlier that Phoenix ^{as owner} sells that script full of bugs)
Here's what they say about anyone who presents themselves as a reseller or tries to sell their software https://phoenix-gambling.com/beware

I do have proof and I'll post if right after you tell me who owns the rights to the original code.

Name, last name, address, country or in any other order you wish.

I've been in casino source code community for 3+ years and i know what im talking about. The code is not under any licences.

Do you have proof of that?


Again, depending on the original license (e.g., GPLv2 or v3), you may be permitted to modify the script but not to resell it, or its derivatives. You can offer support, provide updates and bug fixes, and charge for these services, but that still doesn't grant you rights to the original script or its derivatives.


Do you have proof of that?


By that logic, degika is doing this community a favor too!


LOL! That's actually even worse for you!

The default software license for publicly released code is typically "All Rights Reserved." What that means is the person who wrote the code keeps all the copyrights and control over it.  Other people can't use it, change it, or distribute it without explicit permission from the original creator.

Im sorry but I feel you haven't read my reply at all.
But if you're interested in the topic please join my discord server.

It's not so black and white as people here make it seem. Phoenix gambling is a scamming group of people who stole the "code" and now is pretending they made it.
Original developers published their 1st version of the code long time ago and gave permission to anyone to change it, modify it and resell it.

I'm one of the people who took the code and changed it and what I sell is not only the code - I provide support, i wrote the installation guide (3 versions so far) and I provide updates and bug fixes - Please note that Phoenix gambling is still selling the code full of bugs (over 100 of them) and they refuse to fix any - because they think its not necessary or because they cant? you decide.

I'm doing this community a favor for taking the garbage code and turning it into a usable piece of software but hey, as they say, do good, get fucked.


Also, to add a final note to this discussion as i cant keep checking this thread to reply:

The source code in question is NOT AN OPEN SOURCE CODE.
It was simply published by the original devs as they didn't want to continue developing the software as it was full of bugs already.

It has no open source licences and other bullshit - It's free for all piece of code.

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please read my last response.

The software in question is not "open source".

it was simply published by original devs right before they quit the project.
It's not like I took an open source code for something and decided to proclaim it mine - The devs explicitly allowed anyone to take it and use it as a base for their project. And so I did.

If the code in question has a licence - WHO is the owner of that code? give me a full name and address so I can contact them and ask a few questions.

There are so many accusations being thrown but so far I have not seen any proof to back up these accusations



You can ask for a refund if part of the terms is they are going to install the script or there is support for a specific time, you never resell a script you bought especially here in Bitcointalk you're going to get a tag for reselling without permission.


Are there any more screenshots like a conversation to back up your claim, if you really did an installation then you did your job, and OP is wrong here for reselling or giving the code free.

You say you're a developer? Then you should know that's not how software licenses work. See, when someone writes a program and shares it under a certain license they still have rights over that code.  Stuff like how it can be used, changed, or passed around and  unless you wrote it yourself or got the ok from whoever did, you can't just sell it.  Thats infringing on their intellectual property rights.


Thats not the topic of this discussion. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right.


Oh, you're absolutely, positively, 100% wrong!    You are allowed to modify and use open-source code for your own purposes, but you must still adhere to the terms of the original license, no matter  how much of the original code was changed.

First of all it's not always about 1 post or merit that a user intends why he/she try to share information on the forum. The decodx is a decent member and has been actively contributing on the forum for a long time and calling such things isn't fair at all.

Well whatever you said falls into stealing of someone else's work and modifying it then claiming it as yours. That's a type of copyright theft if I'm not wrong, and selling of a code that's free is a type of scamming somehow. The public code always comes with a license and selling someone's work without their permission is illegal.

And when it comes to OP, I can say that he got frustrated because someone sold him a code that's available freely on Github and that's why he created this thread and leaked the code. In fact he didn't leaked the code because the code was already freely available on Github.

This couldn't be further from the truth but hey people on here will say anything to get that 1 post / merit.

Phoenix gambling is not the original dev of the code I'm selling and they have 0 rights to it - They're not even a legal entity. Anyone with half a brain is free to download the code and use it OR (like i did) change it, modify it and sell it as a standalone product.
I can provide you with over 10 individual cases where Phoenix gambling scammed their own customers by not providing them with what they promised - Original developer would NOT do that.

Ive had this discussion before and I'm not planning to again. I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.
The OP knew all these info prior to buying anything from me - He is still aware of it all but he will say anything just to hurt my business.

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation. 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator. 

If you decide to make it public then the right way to do it is on github, that way the community can make it a better code.

But here are some ethical problems, you should not make public the work from a developer even if you pay for the code, because if that developer wanna sell more copies then you just kill his business and all his work.

If the code comes with the Installation Documentation then you should install it yourself.

But I'm of the idea that talking is the right way to fix any problem, and this kind of action never end well. But good luck anyway.

You couldve been normal and waited. I told you I'd install it for you TODAY and you agreed to this.
Then you decided to lie to my face. Sad.

I try to sell because of you never answer me,
You panic! thats why u remove from our server script lol
otherwise i never think to sale your script.
i wrote you many times you said ok..
and then never reply my msg.
then ive asked to our common friend to speak with you and your partner.
still same..
i just dont know how you are working like that.
Of course im gonna take revenge.
because u are not loyal and honest.
i bought that script 1.5 month ago.
if i decide to resell it, why would i wait since 1 and half month?
Cmon just be real.

You got the source code, 3 updates and 1 installation.
You then reset your server for no reason and wanted 2nd installation -> you wanted this because you wanted to resell the code. (because crash and slots were added so you wanted a new version to resell)

After 2 days ago you posted the sale thread without demo after which I called you out.
You panicked and decided to avenge yourself by leaking the code for free.

Stop acting like you weren't planning on making money off my work.
Look at your sale threads -> you're selling nothing you helped create/created yourself.

Here's the proof of your vouch on my discord server: https://i.imgur.com/Ff3qABg.png