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legendary
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December 22, 2014, 05:33:03 PM
Faucets is a better time waster then watching TV and playing online games. At least you get something out of it.

i don't agree with this, something is worth it, only if you like doing it, it's not like everything is related to money, fun is more important to me, money are just a mandatory thing...

Exactly. But in particular I think that a better time (for earn money we say, of course) is to earn money in other way, not with faucet, because with faucet you can earn only few cents. Think that do alms is better way to earn than a faucet.

Anyway, freebitco.in is one of most trustworthy faucet that I know, but I have never used it because I don't like faucet (you can earn only few cents, 2nd time).
sr. member
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December 22, 2014, 04:16:23 PM

i don't agree with this, something is worth it, only if you like doing it, it's not like everything is related to money, fun is more important to me, money are just a mandatory thing...

^^This^^ 

However, if you don't mind doing faucets like I do then do them!  They don't take a lot of time, but I am not going to replace fun for faucets, I will do faucets during commercial breaks, or video game deaths, etc. 
legendary
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December 22, 2014, 03:37:41 PM
Faucets is a better time waster then watching TV and playing online games. At least you get something out of it.

i don't agree with this, something is worth it, only if you like doing it, it's not like everything is related to money, fun is more important to me, money are just a mandatory thing...
legendary
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December 22, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Faucets is a better time waster then watching TV and playing online games. At least you get something out of it.

I do both.... watch TV and after each series... which normally take 1 hour of your time, I hit the faucet... which takes me 2 min.  Grin

It's money for nothing... Who knows 600 Satoshi might be worth $1 in a few years... and that is how much Freebitco.in is paying per hour on average.
hero member
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CoinQuacker
December 20, 2014, 01:49:02 PM
The site is provably fair which is true to get the 8-digit hex, but then what they do with it, that's where the devil is in the details, which in this case is in Point 4 below. The rules used to say the integer was rounded "UP" to the nearest whole number and now and it says the integer rounded "OFF" to the nearest whole number so that is a huge difference.

-snip-

Here is the expected value per roll based on the three different scenarios, given the site continues to maintains $200 for the top prize and divides each tier down by 10 with the same probability for winning each tier:

Round Up: 2.71 cents
Based on what "Round Off" means:
Round Down: 0.71 cents
Mathematical round: 1.71 cents


According to the following post by wetsuit (in case you don't know, he is the owner of freebitco.in), it seems to me the site has been working with "rounded off", and so the EV should be 1.71 cents.

I am sorry, it should be "rounded off" and not "rounded up". I shall correct this on the website. So any number below 0.5 will be rounded down to 0.

hmmm so that probability to get "10000" should be just 0.005%. Tongue

Yes, because that is what is feasible to pay out. You gotta remember though that there is no other faucet or free bitcoin websites (that I know of) which gives you the chance to even win that much and that too using a provably fair system.

OK thanks, that's the info I was looking for. I notice freedogeco.in still says "rounded up" but I bet that it's not rounding up either (I haven't rolled a decimal below .50 since I started looking at it, unfortunately, even after 12 rolls... ironic!  Roll Eyes )
hero member
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December 20, 2014, 12:34:06 PM
I would not advice you to use the multipy option and never try Martingale system, because you will loose. {They have built in options, to defeat the Martinegale method}

-snip-

Freebitco.in create a new server seed for each of your bets. But if you are worried that the site create server seeds in a specific way to make all martingale players lose, you can change your client seed every bet. But that won't change the negative EV nature of the game.
hero member
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December 20, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
The site is provably fair which is true to get the 8-digit hex, but then what they do with it, that's where the devil is in the details, which in this case is in Point 4 below. The rules used to say the integer was rounded "UP" to the nearest whole number and now and it says the integer rounded "OFF" to the nearest whole number so that is a huge difference.

-snip-

Here is the expected value per roll based on the three different scenarios, given the site continues to maintains $200 for the top prize and divides each tier down by 10 with the same probability for winning each tier:

Round Up: 2.71 cents
Based on what "Round Off" means:
Round Down: 0.71 cents
Mathematical round: 1.71 cents


According to the following post by wetsuit (in case you don't know, he is the owner of freebitco.in), it seems to me the site has been working with "rounded off", and so the EV should be 1.71 cents.

I am sorry, it should be "rounded off" and not "rounded up". I shall correct this on the website. So any number below 0.5 will be rounded down to 0.

hmmm so that probability to get "10000" should be just 0.005%. Tongue

Yes, because that is what is feasible to pay out. You gotta remember though that there is no other faucet or free bitcoin websites (that I know of) which gives you the chance to even win that much and that too using a provably fair system.
full member
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December 20, 2014, 08:32:57 AM
I still think this faucet is a good place to start, for everyone.
sr. member
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December 20, 2014, 08:29:53 AM
Faucets is a better time waster then watching TV and playing online games. At least you get something out of it.
legendary
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December 20, 2014, 06:04:13 AM
to get as much as money on this site you need lots and lots and lots of refferals
to make at least a few bucks
newbie
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December 20, 2014, 02:14:06 AM
It's worth it if you have fun doing it Smiley
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December 20, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
I've been using it since January on and off when I remember.  It's one of my pinned sites on Firefox, so I usually hit it up 5 or 6 times a day.  I have pretty much nothing to show for it.  I get more by making a couple posts through the sig. campaign I'm on.  If you can manage to get referrals that continue to play on a regular basis, you might get something worth while.  All my referrals stopped playing after a few days/weeks.

I do tend to play it more when the price of bitcoin is down.  Definitely get a better payout.  So lately, I've played it a lot more. Still hoping for that 10,000 roll, but I don't think it is possible.

yes refs matter a lot Smiley
hero member
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December 19, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
I've been using it since January on and off when I remember.  It's one of my pinned sites on Firefox, so I usually hit it up 5 or 6 times a day.  I have pretty much nothing to show for it.  I get more by making a couple posts through the sig. campaign I'm on.  If you can manage to get referrals that continue to play on a regular basis, you might get something worth while.  All my referrals stopped playing after a few days/weeks.

I do tend to play it more when the price of bitcoin is down.  Definitely get a better payout.  So lately, I've played it a lot more. Still hoping for that 10,000 roll, but I don't think it is possible.
legendary
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December 19, 2014, 04:51:26 PM
Try the “multiply bitcoin” feature to multiply your profit – but don’t set it too high or get too carried away and lose it  Wink

I would not advice you to use the multipy option and never try Martingale system, because you will loose. {They have built in options, to defeat the Martinegale method}

I just luv this faucet to bits, literally  Wink -- I even advertize some banners for other sites through them, and I help funding this, with the faucet income I get. {So even my ad's are cheaper}

Hell-of-a-lot of stuff going on there.

Still hoping they will use my idea, with the charity.  Grin
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2koqnj/can_faucets_make_a_difference_paying_it_forward/
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CoinQuacker
December 19, 2014, 01:44:07 PM
They give away order-of-magnitude multiples of 0.2 cents with the lowest roll payout being 0.2 cents and the highest being $200. I've calculated the expected value of a roll at 2.7 cents. This assumes the top prize is exactly a 1 in 10000 chance which may not be the case.

The site is provably fair which is true to get the 8-digit hex, but then what they do with it, that's where the devil is in the details, which in this case is in Point 4 below. The rules used to say the integer was rounded "UP" to the nearest whole number and now and it says the integer rounded "OFF" to the nearest whole number so that is a huge difference. Here is the explanation of the rules from their site:

Code:
Two strings are created : 
1. STRING1 = "[NONCE]:[SERVER SEED]:[NONCE]"
    STRING2 = "[NONCE]:[CLIENT SEED]:[NONCE]"
    For your last roll :
    STRING1 = "76:XY5UiZdUVqxX:76"
    STRING2 = "76:t8GqWftzShE2yotF:76"
2. Then HMAC-SHA512 is used to hash STRING1 with STRING2 giving us a 128 character hex string.
3. The first 8 characters of the hex string are taken and converted to a decimal.
4. This decimal is then divided by 429496.7295 and rounded off to the nearest whole number.
5. This whole number is used as your roll, with the maximum possible value being 10,000.

If you convert an 8-digit hex to a decimal you need to get "ffffffff" in order to convert to 4294967295, which divided by 429496.7295, is exactly 10,000. You have exactly an 16^8, or 1 in 42,94,967,296, chance of rolling this exact number. So the question becomes what does "round off" mean. If they mean rounding up any fraction then there is really a 1 in 10,000 chance of winning the top prize. If they actually round any fraction down then the top prize is an unwinnable canard, 22 times harder to win than the Powerball! Or maybe the site means its a true mathematical rounding, so if you roll a hex that converts to 9999.5000 or higher you win, and then at least you can win the top prize 1 in 20,000 times. But in any event it would be interesting to see how many people win what prize tier and see if it ties mathematically to the number of attempts.

Here is the expected value per roll based on the three different scenarios, given the site continues to maintains $200 for the top prize and divides each tier down by 10 with the same probability for winning each tier:

Round Up: 2.71 cents
Based on what "Round Off" means:
Round Down: 0.71 cents
Mathematical round: 1.71 cents

You can see how much the top tier affects the total EV.

If anyone has actually rolled a 10,000 that would essentially eliminate the "round down" theory so post if you have. Then it's a question of whether you can win 1 in 10k or 1 in 20k times. Accordingly, if anyone has rolled a 0000 then hat would eliminate the round up theory, and we'd be left with the mathematical rounding theory (albeit, discounting the fact someone may have beat the 1 in 42 billion odds for either of those exact hex rolls).
sr. member
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Eloncoin.org - Mars, here we come!
December 19, 2014, 12:44:55 AM
freebitco.in is worth it if you have a good referral working under you. However, if you're alone visiting the faucet, then there is a very little chance for you to get a high profit from visiting that site.

Honestly, as a faucet, it's still the most noteworth one, even without referrals. I've gotten numerous of the higher paying ones...although I'm probably just lucky haha
sr. member
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December 18, 2014, 01:34:03 PM
I also want to say that you don't need more than 1 BTC to gamble on this site.  You can gamble with any amount, and having more in your bank does not mean you will win, as a matter of fact you are probably more likely to lose if you have a higher amount because you have more to spend.
hero member
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December 17, 2014, 05:52:38 PM
Try the “multiply bitcoin” feature to multiply your profit – but don’t set it too high or get too carried away and lose it  Wink
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
freebitco.in is worth it if you have a good referral working under you. However, if you're alone visiting the faucet, then there is a very little chance for you to get a high profit from visiting that site.
hero member
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December 17, 2014, 04:11:03 PM
You can multiply BTC, but then your balance must be enough large ~ 1 BTC,and chance of win low. If your balance is lower than 1 BTC, you can loose.  Grin
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