I never rolled 9993 or higher in ~15000 free rolls in 3 accounts.
What would be cool actually is to have something like a Chrome Extension that everytime we do a free roll, it feeds a public database with the roll's info.
Topic: Freebitco.in provably cheating (Read 24956 times)
Disregard all the trolls saying that you were "Unlucky" or that your seed weirdness was "just a bug". I have undeniable proof that the server seeds ARE changed. I, like you have compiled a MASSIVE db of free rolls and my screenshots speak for themselves. You dont even need the verify links to see that the seeds DO change and I can even tell you for which rolls that they WILL change. It's for any roll ABOVE 9993 as seen in my screenshots below. This has been documented for YEARS but no one ever believes it because they are to stupid to realize that humans ARE indeed complete assholes and will cheat you every chance they get. The reason you are seeing these server seeds being replaced are because of 1 of 2 reasons:
1. You are on a bot blacklist
2. (and more likely I think) The site purposely limits the amount of upper tier free rolls that it will allow which is COMPLETELY against the "provably fair" claim.
The below screenshots show that 9994 to 10000 are all missing. This is simply NOT possible in this reality. The chances of all of these numbers being missed IN ORDER in ~20000 rolls is so small that the HD of this forum's server couldnt hold the amount of 0's it would require in order to represent the probability of it happening in 0.0000...% It's absolutely clear that these results are from purposeful SERVER SEED changing (which you have noticed in your own DB, I didnt even bother to record them as they are not necessary to see patterns in cheating). You can see that 0-10 have no problem showing up as results, it's only the upper numbers that have issues even though they BOTH should have the same probability of being rolled. You certainly do NOT see 0-10 missing IN ORDER like you do for 9994+
You will also observe the SAME result if you try to use the "jackpot" in the "Multiply Game". You'll also observe the same result if your "profit" from any "Multiply Game" bet is over 7x of your original bet OR if your profit is exactly 20BTC. The site clearly has limits in place that are NOT disclosed and are purposefully hidden behind a "Provably fair" claim which is difficult to prove unless you compile data like I have. The ONLY part of the site that can make a decent "provably fair" claim is the LOTTERY which uses a BTC hash for the Server seed, but with the site's behavior in all other rolls, I wouldnt put to much stock into the lottery WINNER actually being a real person as very very few of them actually claim to have won. There have only been a handful seen in the forums which is in line with all other manipulations that they do that would support a theme of limiting what they will allow to be won. So even though the lottery is technically "provably fair". The actual WINNING ID/id's may indeed be changed by the server to someone that doesnt actually exist (this is why it's not possible for people to see if an ID exists or not, if they did this, it would reveal the ID changing of the lottery), thus allowing only a few people to have actually "won" anything at all. And thats IF they arent already "in the hole" from the multiply game.
Also notice that this isnt really limited to just 9994+ either. Notice of 0-10 are so plentiful that they take up all of my mysql results. But for the 9000+ rolls, it sinks all the way down to 9978. This is CLEAR evidence of my #2 theory I think.
This site is such an obvious scam it's just disgusting.
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1. You are on a bot blacklist
2. (and more likely I think) The site purposely limits the amount of upper tier free rolls that it will allow which is COMPLETELY against the "provably fair" claim.
The below screenshots show that 9994 to 10000 are all missing. This is simply NOT possible in this reality. The chances of all of these numbers being missed IN ORDER in ~20000 rolls is so small that the HD of this forum's server couldnt hold the amount of 0's it would require in order to represent the probability of it happening in 0.0000...% It's absolutely clear that these results are from purposeful SERVER SEED changing (which you have noticed in your own DB, I didnt even bother to record them as they are not necessary to see patterns in cheating). You can see that 0-10 have no problem showing up as results, it's only the upper numbers that have issues even though they BOTH should have the same probability of being rolled. You certainly do NOT see 0-10 missing IN ORDER like you do for 9994+
You will also observe the SAME result if you try to use the "jackpot" in the "Multiply Game". You'll also observe the same result if your "profit" from any "Multiply Game" bet is over 7x of your original bet OR if your profit is exactly 20BTC. The site clearly has limits in place that are NOT disclosed and are purposefully hidden behind a "Provably fair" claim which is difficult to prove unless you compile data like I have. The ONLY part of the site that can make a decent "provably fair" claim is the LOTTERY which uses a BTC hash for the Server seed, but with the site's behavior in all other rolls, I wouldnt put to much stock into the lottery WINNER actually being a real person as very very few of them actually claim to have won. There have only been a handful seen in the forums which is in line with all other manipulations that they do that would support a theme of limiting what they will allow to be won. So even though the lottery is technically "provably fair". The actual WINNING ID/id's may indeed be changed by the server to someone that doesnt actually exist (this is why it's not possible for people to see if an ID exists or not, if they did this, it would reveal the ID changing of the lottery), thus allowing only a few people to have actually "won" anything at all. And thats IF they arent already "in the hole" from the multiply game.
Also notice that this isnt really limited to just 9994+ either. Notice of 0-10 are so plentiful that they take up all of my mysql results. But for the 9000+ rolls, it sinks all the way down to 9978. This is CLEAR evidence of my #2 theory I think.
This site is such an obvious scam it's just disgusting.
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How did u export your data?
Is there a simple way to extract it or you copy pasted all the info from the tables in the website?
Very curious if anyone from this forum , actually ever won anything in the lottery ?
We won once $1400 in the lottery, but only once.
If they really are cheating, why is nobody then tag this site for a yellow tag? Or even red.
Beacuse big players can do more. 
If they really are cheating, why is nobody then tag this site for a yellow tag? Or even red.
I never understand the idea from this site. It looks like a general information page, but you are supposed to gamble?
In case you gamble here, they do not even have a valid gambling license.
In case you gamble here, they do not even have a valid gambling license.
Interesting. It would be interesting to hear statement from wetsuit or TheQuin.
I find it interesting that for years they haven't responded here. I still believe the accusations are plausible.
I was playing in Freebitco.in during ~3 years. These are my achivements on the sceenshot below. Free rolls played = 10467. The biggest numbers I rolled are:
9993 - 1 time
9992 - 2 times
9990 - 1 time
9989 - 2 times
and never bigger than 9993. After reading this thread, now I am definitely sure that Freebitco.in is cheating.
9993 - 1 time
9992 - 2 times
9990 - 1 time
9989 - 2 times
and never bigger than 9993. After reading this thread, now I am definitely sure that Freebitco.in is cheating.
anyone else has constant rolling of the number 1582 or 1583? like in 100 free rolls I can get 10-30 times those two numbers, it's just ridiculously flawed and nobody seems to care about it.
Why not just admit it's unfair system and let it be?
Why not just admit it's unfair system and let it be?
Very curious if anyone from this forum , actually ever won anything in the lottery ?
I remember that I saw few users posting proofs that they won in lottery in past. But it wasn't biggest prizes. Unfortunately, now I won't be able to find these posts. 
Very curious if anyone from this forum , actually ever won anything in the lottery ?
wanna up this thread since no response was given and the data provided is significant, when are you going to mark freebitco.in as a scam site?
What data? There was no data provided. Did you even read the thread? 😬idk maybe you are blind but 4+ people have stats over thousands of rolls all limiting at 9993 proving site is not fair
wanna up this thread since no response was given and the data provided is significant, when are you going to mark freebitco.in as a scam site?
What data? There was no data provided. Did you even read the thread? 😬 
Thats why I always get very high numbers every free roll
wanna up this thread since no response was given and the data provided is significant, when are you going to mark freebitco.in as a scam site?
They are fucking cheaters.....their lottery winners are always fake and relatives and free roll winners hitting high are their fathers...LMAO 
Those posting also fake.
Those posting also fake.
Do you have any proof for this statement? Can you proof that the winners of lotteries are fake?
Adding my two cents here about the lottery: They designed it in a way that they cannot cheat the winning index, that's good, but it's still not provably fair because they could dilute the lottery tickets as much as they want with bogus users (The lottery ticket list could be diluted). Not saying they are cheating the lottery, but lottery is not provably fair for that reason - it would be very hard to make it provably fair, short of something like an audit that's nearly as hard as auditing an exchange. I do automated multiply bets with validation for small amounts and haven't noticed any server seed changing. Not tracking free rolls.
They are fucking cheaters.....their lottery winners are always fake and relatives and free roll winners hitting high are their fathers...LMAO
Those posting also fake.
Those posting also fake.
Do you have any proof for this statement? Can you proof that the winners of lotteries are fake?
They are fucking cheaters.....their lottery winners are always fake and relatives and free roll winners hitting high are their fathers...LMAO
Those posting also fake.
Those posting also fake.
As said before.
I never said they are not scamming since someone seems to have the change of hash proof.
I'm just writing what math is on one not cheating contest when someone talks about variance and luck or unluck.
This seems very strange but the post I've made here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49125605 was about a site without scam
and here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48004767 this guy seems to have proven this site uses different hashes and scam their users.
I'm not saying they are not scamming since they change hases, I was talking only about the variance in a not cheating probably fair game.
and here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48004767 this guy seems to have proven this site uses different hashes and scam their users.
I'm not saying they are not scamming since they change hases, I was talking only about the variance in a not cheating probably fair game.
I never said they are not scamming since someone seems to have the change of hash proof.
I'm just writing what math is on one not cheating contest when someone talks about variance and luck or unluck.
Here is another way of looking at it. Using you're own math, you have a 0.0000827% chance that I am wrong. Are you willing to take that bet? 
You have 1 roll to win because when it comes to scams, you only have 1 chance to get it right lol. If I were you, I'd also add in the sample sizes of the other people who have all had the same results as I have. That will give you a better idea on the odds of you getting it right that freebitco isnt a scam when it comes to freerolls and who knows what else 
You have 1 roll to win because when it comes to scams, you only have 1 chance to get it right lol. If I were you, I'd also add in the sample sizes of the other people who have all had the same results as I have. That will give you a better idea on the odds of you getting it right that freebitco isnt a scam when it comes to freerolls and who knows what else Jump to: