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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 12, 2022, 01:34:47 PM

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That performance of Neymar has been on a steady decline since the moment he left Barcelona. And the last season of him was also not good at all. At least not up to his standards of football.

After joining PSG, Neymar's performance began to decline. He has been sidelined for a long time due to injury in almost every season. As a result, his performance tends to be worse. Since Neymar's fitness is not good, I do not expect a good and regular performance from him next season.

This is something that is natural because age also certainly affects and now the era is not for Neymar anymore. For PSG, he has only become part of the supporting role on the wing to make it easier for other players because his role now is the same as Benzema when he was in the team with Ronaldo.
I think for next season it will be the same because it won't be more than that because now the focus is on Mbappe so I won't expect much about this player Cheesy

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One of the three names must have given up in order to get maximum results for PSG. The trio of Messi, Mabppe and Neymar are players who have high egos so it is very important in my opinion for the coach to be able to manage them.
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This is a risk and also a test that the PSG coach must face because the three players above are the world's top players and are in great demand

Pochettino I see is unable to unite the three, I really hope PSG can have a new coach between Zidane or Jose Mourinho because I see both of them have good potential to unite the three great players above

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 12, 2022, 01:34:47 PM

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on June 12, 2022, 12:34:53 PM

That performance of Neymar has been on a steady decline since the moment he left Barcelona. And the last season of him was also not good at all. At least not up to his standards of football.

After joining PSG, Neymar's performance began to decline. He has been sidelined for a long time due to injury in almost every season. As a result, his performance tends to be worse. Since Neymar's fitness is not good, I do not expect a good and regular performance from him next season.

Neymar played his highest match in Paris Saint-Germain's jersey in the last season. He has performed in 22 matches. Although he has scored only 13 goals. In the 18-19 season he played with 17 mats and in the 19-20 season he has played in only 15 matches. PSG gives Neymar very high wages. So Neymar's poor performance is very disappointing.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 12, 2022, 12:53:01 PM

Quote from: izsara on June 11, 2022, 02:50:51 PM

In this case, it would be very selfish to compare Messi's performance at PSG and at Barcelona. As you said age is the natural enemy of soccer players and indeed the essence cannot be changed.
Apart from that, his performance is still quite good actually for his current age, but the fans' expectations are still too big which makes the pressure even bigger.

Selfish?

I don't know what you mean, but I would say that in Barcelona the game scheme assumed that one player would profit from the actions of the whole team. If someone does not believe, then he can look at the same scheme in the Spanish national team where Villa was such a player.
As far as fan expectations are concerned, they didn't just arised, right? When someone is called a football genius and given a billion golden balls, you can expect him to play at least a little better than the average player.

Now compare it to the current pattern of PSG's game when some people prefer to play the ball alone and sometimes there are fights on the field with teammates, isn't this ego exaggeration?
Messi won't be able to adapt quickly because indeed the difference here is too big both in terms of play and attack patterns and it will be more difficult if things like this continue but this will certainly continue especially with the gap created now that Mbappe is given more power.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on June 12, 2022, 12:34:53 PM

That performance of Neymar has been on a steady decline since the moment he left Barcelona. And the last season of him was also not good at all. At least not up to his standards of football.

After joining PSG, Neymar's performance began to decline. He has been sidelined for a long time due to injury in almost every season. As a result, his performance tends to be worse. Since Neymar's fitness is not good, I do not expect a good and regular performance from him next season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 11, 2022, 06:49:14 PM

Normally Messi-Mbappe-Neymar trio must perform really great but they haven't met the demands of the supporters surely. Mbappe himself is awesome but the other two weren't that much last season. I didn't even see Neymar playing properly last season. He must play more than this to contribute more to the team. Messi's contribution level was also not too high but I hope he will perform better next time. This is very crucial for the Champions League especially.

Mbappe has no issue in last season. Neymar has issues with injuries and his body weight since the Coppa America. Messi has issues because of very limited training time before beggining of last season. He was lack of enough time to adapt go a new club, new mates, new tactics etc. He also was lack of luck because many shots rejected by goal bars and goal pillars, not only rejected by goalkeepers.

In a new season, I guess Mbappe and Messi will play well and better especially Messi. For Neynar, I don't know and if rumour is real, Neymar will leave the club sooner or later because Mbappe does not want to share his super star position in the club with Neymar especially after his new contract with PSG.

Neymar and Kylian Mbappé doesn't have any problems with each other. Because that is going to cause more problems for the team. Under these circumstances, the team does not need any new problems to deal with right now.

As far as I say this PSG really has this season to prove themselves otherwise it is going to be bad news for them. After the last season, I already thought people are not going to watch PSG play at all and the famous players are going to leave PSG but they somehow managed to keep the players and still maintain a decent squad. So, this is their last chance.

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Quote from: izsara on June 11, 2022, 02:50:51 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on June 11, 2022, 01:10:18 PM

On the one hand, Messi's results are not bad, on the other hand, an ordinary average player in such a powerful club as PSG, in my opinion, would have achieved no worse results. Still, given the level of the French championship and the level of PSG, this is quite expected. And it is obvious that the drop in results is due to age, but we should not forget that PSG is very different from Barcelona, where there was a different game model and most of the team worked for Messi.

In this case, it would be very selfish to compare Messi's performance at PSG and at Barcelona. As you said age is the natural enemy of soccer players and indeed the essence cannot be changed.
Apart from that, his performance is still quite good actually for his current age, but the fans' expectations are still too big which makes the pressure even bigger.

Selfish?

I don't know what you mean, but I would say that in Barcelona the game scheme assumed that one player would profit from the actions of the whole team. If someone does not believe, then he can look at the same scheme in the Spanish national team where Villa was such a player.
As far as fan expectations are concerned, they didn't just arised, right? When someone is called a football genius and given a billion golden balls, you can expect him to play at least a little better than the average player.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on June 12, 2022, 12:20:28 PM

Neymar played approximately half season in the Ligue 1 last. His performance was still decent when he played of course but this isn't enough for PSG. Maybe the Ligue 1 is still easy for them but his statistics in the Champions League wasn't impressive either. He needs to carry his performance to a bigger level next season to be very helpful for the team to achieve the Champions League title finally. Him and Messi both need to do this actually to have a very successful season. Their future coach is still not clear but I hope it will be Zidane.

PSG has many stars in the team and it is not a big problem for PSG to dominate and continue to get the Ligue 1 trophy every season, now their good run in the league cannot be transmitted to the champions league so that makes PSG fans and owners disappointed in their team, an incompetent coach, neymar who is often injured, messi who has not been able to adapt and also speculation about mbappe move to madrid before, of course make the reason for the failure of PSG, neymar, messi and mbappe have now been free from all the problems that exist and now maybe a coach is a problem that PSG management must immediately find a solution for next season, many of us hope that Zidane will coach PSG next season but the fact is that until now Zidane and PSG still have no agreement open to the public, if PSG still maintains Pochettino as coach next season, I'm sure PSG will still be able to win in the domestic league but for the Champions League, of course, PSG does not need to expect much.

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Quote from: sana54210 on June 12, 2022, 11:43:47 AM

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Neymar performance this season was not as expected by fans and maybe that's quite reasonable because Neymar often gets injured, but for Messi I think his performance is quite good even though he only appeared 26 matches in the league but Messi has created 6 goals and 14 assists in his first season , in my opinion it was an extraordinary performance because it seems that messi role has now been shifted by the coach to become a supporter of mbappe as a striker, the trio of messi, mbappe and neymar are not quite perfect but if later the issue about zidane coaching PSG becomes a reality of course the trio can be a deadly combination for their opponents, PSG currently only needs a coach who can handle big personalities in the dressing room and encourage players to be able to do their best in every match, with the extraordinary management of zidane will certainly be able to make messi, mbappe and neymar more develop later.

I agree people are expecting so much from Messi right away on his first season. I think if they could get Zidane, then he will find a way to utilize Messi so much. He played against Messi a lot as a manager, when he was managing Madrid, he had to face Barcelona all the time and knows what Messi can do and how he can do it, so he will definitely have a better insight scoop.

I do not know if this Zidane deal is a done deal, but I know for a fact that PSG president wanted it and offered a good amount, so it is all one Zidanes court. Dude is from France, it shouldn't really be that hard to get him. If it works out, we will see Messi have an unbelievable season here too.

That performance of Neymar has been on a steady decline since the moment he left Barcelona. And the last season of him was also not good at all. At least not up to his standards of football.

Messi did not play well in the last season also. The performance of PSG has not been at the level that it should have been. And that is absolutely unexpected from a team which have really great players in the squad. I think the coaching was not up to the mark as well as a lot of people have predicted already, so I think bringing Zidane probably could have made a difference.

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Neymar played approximately half season in the Ligue 1 last. His performance was still decent when he played of course but this isn't enough for PSG. Maybe the Ligue 1 is still easy for them but his statistics in the Champions League wasn't impressive either. He needs to carry his performance to a bigger level next season to be very helpful for the team to achieve the Champions League title finally. Him and Messi both need to do this actually to have a very successful season. Their future coach is still not clear but I hope it will be Zidane.

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Quote from: Roidz on June 12, 2022, 05:36:25 AM

Neymar performance this season was not as expected by fans and maybe that's quite reasonable because Neymar often gets injured, but for Messi I think his performance is quite good even though he only appeared 26 matches in the league but Messi has created 6 goals and 14 assists in his first season , in my opinion it was an extraordinary performance because it seems that messi role has now been shifted by the coach to become a supporter of mbappe as a striker, the trio of messi, mbappe and neymar are not quite perfect but if later the issue about zidane coaching PSG becomes a reality of course the trio can be a deadly combination for their opponents, PSG currently only needs a coach who can handle big personalities in the dressing room and encourage players to be able to do their best in every match, with the extraordinary management of zidane will certainly be able to make messi, mbappe and neymar more develop later.

I agree people are expecting so much from Messi right away on his first season. I think if they could get Zidane, then he will find a way to utilize Messi so much. He played against Messi a lot as a manager, when he was managing Madrid, he had to face Barcelona all the time and knows what Messi can do and how he can do it, so he will definitely have a better insight scoop.

I do not know if this Zidane deal is a done deal, but I know for a fact that PSG president wanted it and offered a good amount, so it is all one Zidanes court. Dude is from France, it shouldn't really be that hard to get him. If it works out, we will see Messi have an unbelievable season here too.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 11, 2022, 06:49:14 PM

Normally Messi-Mbappe-Neymar trio must perform really great but they haven't met the demands of the supporters surely. Mbappe himself is awesome but the other two weren't that much last season. I didn't even see Neymar playing properly last season. He must play more than this to contribute more to the team. Messi's contribution level was also not too high but I hope he will perform better next time. This is very crucial for the Champions League especially.

Neymar performance this season was not as expected by fans and maybe that's quite reasonable because Neymar often gets injured, but for Messi I think his performance is quite good even though he only appeared 26 matches in the league but Messi has created 6 goals and 14 assists in his first season , in my opinion it was an extraordinary performance because it seems that messi role has now been shifted by the coach to become a supporter of mbappe as a striker, the trio of messi, mbappe and neymar are not quite perfect but if later the issue about zidane coaching PSG becomes a reality of course the trio can be a deadly combination for their opponents, PSG currently only needs a coach who can handle big personalities in the dressing room and encourage players to be able to do their best in every match, with the extraordinary management of zidane will certainly be able to make messi, mbappe and neymar more develop later.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 11, 2022, 06:49:14 PM

Normally Messi-Mbappe-Neymar trio must perform really great but they haven't met the demands of the supporters surely. Mbappe himself is awesome but the other two weren't that much last season. I didn't even see Neymar playing properly last season. He must play more than this to contribute more to the team. Messi's contribution level was also not too high but I hope he will perform better next time. This is very crucial for the Champions League especially.

One of the three names must have given up in order to get maximum results for PSG. The trio of Messi, Mabppe and Neymar are players who have high egos so it is very important in my opinion for the coach to be able to manage them.

I can still imagine the drama that happened in the 71st minute when PSG fans were waiting for Lionel Messi's first goal against Lyon earlier in the season. Messi was pulled off by Mauro Pochettino and entered Hakimi. Messi's reaction made the entire stadium shocked because he was not willing to shake hands with the coach. The action immediately drew a lot of criticism.
That's one clear proof that there must be the right coach in coaching PSG.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 11, 2022, 06:49:14 PM

Normally Messi-Mbappe-Neymar trio must perform really great but they haven't met the demands of the supporters surely. Mbappe himself is awesome but the other two weren't that much last season. I didn't even see Neymar playing properly last season. He must play more than this to contribute more to the team. Messi's contribution level was also not too high but I hope he will perform better next time. This is very crucial for the Champions League especially.

Mbappe has no issue in last season. Neymar has issues with injuries and his body weight since the Coppa America. Messi has issues because of very limited training time before beggining of last season. He was lack of enough time to adapt go a new club, new mates, new tactics etc. He also was lack of luck because many shots rejected by goal bars and goal pillars, not only rejected by goalkeepers.

In a new season, I guess Mbappe and Messi will play well and better especially Messi. For Neynar, I don't know and if rumour is real, Neymar will leave the club sooner or later because Mbappe does not want to share his super star position in the club with Neymar especially after his new contract with PSG.

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Normally Messi-Mbappe-Neymar trio must perform really great but they haven't met the demands of the supporters surely. Mbappe himself is awesome but the other two weren't that much last season. I didn't even see Neymar playing properly last season. He must play more than this to contribute more to the team. Messi's contribution level was also not too high but I hope he will perform better next time. This is very crucial for the Champions League especially.

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I think this will still be a Fifty-Fifty even though adaptation is important but the addition of Age also has an effect and of course this also applies to Messi now.
Personally, I still have high hopes for this player but if you look at his contribution, I actually have to bury my expectations because from any point of view his achievements will not be the same when he was at Barcelona.

We can't compare Messi performance now to his performance when he was still at Barcelona. Sincerely speaking, I think Messi is not getting enough support from his teammates in PSG. However, Messi were able to secure 6 goals last season in Ligue 1, and 5 goals in the Champion League. In order for them to achieve the Champions League trophy, they probably need high cooperation within the players. Although, next season will be more productive to PSG, as they have intentions of signing a new and experienced coach Zinedine Zidane.

this is also quite reasonable because indeed to play at PSG at this time, Messi is not the focus there because even though Messi is a good player, the main focus is on Mbappe.
On the other hand, it is true that it is not appropriate to compare his performance in this regard because it is certain that there will be many differences due to several factors.

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In my opinion, the only thing Messi is worried about right now is how to perform well at the World Cup. A good performance will once again remind the world of him and allow him to advance to the US Championship on better terms. I don't think he can show anything special at PSG - there are enough selfish players who think about their achievements and they will not help him with his achievements.

It is the last World Cup for Messi and in his career, he got all titles with Barcelona (some Champions League and lot of Ballon d'Or). He already won Coppa America and Conference cup with Arghentina. With his national team, he only does not have World Cup.

World Cup 2014 is the best chance he came to with Arghentina but the goal from Gotze brings the title to Germany, not Arghentina. In the coming World Cup, Messi will have a last World Cup tournament in which he can still be a core of his team. In later World Cup, 2026 or 2030, I don't say Messi won't be there, he might be. However, in future World Cup, Messi will be only a part of team, not the core of team plan. His importance in Arghentina will decrease with time.

It is going to be the only mission for Lionel Messi right now to get the world cup because I honestly feel like his career is just going to be incomplete without the world cup at this point.

He is going to do everything that he can to get the world cup with Argentina but it does feel like there are a lot of teams worthy of getting the world cup this time also. And I also agree that this is going to be the last world cup when he will be able to have a significant influence and importance on the team.

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He did not play too bad in PSG. Contribute well for the club in aspect of key passes and assists but it is a joke to look at tot goals Messi scored in the last season. It does not mean he did too many bad shots. It is partially because he had many missing goals because his shots hit goal bars, pillars etc.

Of course I know Messi is getting older and is more affected by ageing. Just like what Ronaldo is facing and as other old players have to cope with. My point is he still actually plays well enough at his age and in the last season, biggest issue with him in PSG is too unlucky.

On the one hand, Messi's results are not bad, on the other hand, an ordinary average player in such a powerful club as PSG, in my opinion, would have achieved no worse results. Still, given the level of the French championship and the level of PSG, this is quite expected. And it is obvious that the drop in results is due to age, but we should not forget that PSG is very different from Barcelona, where there was a different game model and most of the team worked for Messi.

In this case, it would be very selfish to compare Messi's performance at PSG and at Barcelona. As you said age is the natural enemy of soccer players and indeed the essence cannot be changed.
Apart from that, his performance is still quite good actually for his current age, but the fans' expectations are still too big which makes the pressure even bigger.

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Quote from: hd49728 on June 10, 2022, 04:32:38 PM

He did not play too bad in PSG. Contribute well for the club in aspect of key passes and assists but it is a joke to look at tot goals Messi scored in the last season. It does not mean he did too many bad shots. It is partially because he had many missing goals because his shots hit goal bars, pillars etc.

Of course I know Messi is getting older and is more affected by ageing. Just like what Ronaldo is facing and as other old players have to cope with. My point is he still actually plays well enough at his age and in the last season, biggest issue with him in PSG is too unlucky.

On the one hand, Messi's results are not bad, on the other hand, an ordinary average player in such a powerful club as PSG, in my opinion, would have achieved no worse results. Still, given the level of the French championship and the level of PSG, this is quite expected. And it is obvious that the drop in results is due to age, but we should not forget that PSG is very different from Barcelona, where there was a different game model and most of the team worked for Messi.

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Zinedine Zidane can also be a recommendation for a coach who will handle PSG. Zidane current status without a club is more likely to be brought in by PSG considering that Zidane's country of origin is also from France.
Zinedine Zidane ability and experience has been proven in Spain with Real Madrid and it is not wrong if Zidane tries his luck at PSG before the target of coaching the French team comes to him.

We all seem to know Zidane's quality in coaching Real Madrid before, he managed to win a number of titles with Real Madrid including several Champions League titles in a row. But about the possibility of coaching PSG, then very sure it might be great. But strangely, so far PSG have never directly offered him a job after leaving Real Madrid the previous season. Are PSG really interested in Zidane so far? I do not think so.

There has been no news regarding PSG offer to Zidane directly. If there is an offer to become PSG coach, I don't think that Zidane will accept PSG offer because Zidane really wants to be the main coach of the French national team since Zizou no longer coaches Real Madrid. If Zidane becomes PSG coach next season, I cannot imagine how he will coach Messi, Neymar and Mbappe.

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