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Quote from: hahay on March 01, 2022, 03:13:29 AM

Anyway, PSG have good prospects and PSG will probably be like Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga who won the title in 9 consecutive seasons and if this season they are successful again then it will be the 10th title in a row. PSG haven't achieved that yet, but with the very good development so far it is possible that PSG will achieve such an achievement. But if that happens then maybe we will say Ligue 1 will be boring because it is not competitive but yes, higher achievement we can see their progress in UCL.

PSG already won 7 titles in last 9 seasons that is good enough to say they dominate Ligue 1.

They lost 2 seasons in 2016-2017 and 2020-2021. Others they won all and from their position and difference with other clubs now, I believe they will win it again in this season. It will be their 8 titles in last 10 seasons if they can achieve it.

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Quote from: Spack17 on February 24, 2022, 03:13:20 PM

We really clearly see how unqualified the rest of the teams in the Ligue 1 are compared to PSG. Because PSG are still leading by a very far point gap although they make some mistakes and lose two or three points. It is like there is no team to put up a great fight against them. Marseille seem to be the second best team this season but even they are getting poor results. The Clermont match should be enough for a good example I guess. Cheesy

PSG will always dominate the league as long as this huge gap between the teams is maintained.

Actually Ligue 1 looks quite balanced league if you take a look on the table after removing PSG. The gap between the teams is very tight, every match count since the result could flip from a round to another. Now with PSG in, the league look quite annoying with a clear winner after few rounds from the beginning since there is a huge difference between PSG and the rest. PSG has to join EPL tho

You are right about the difference that PSG has with the other teams, but this is not all bad, because this makes the other teams in the league increase their level, and establish more level in their games, the other teams are Good, like Lyon, but they have been left behind, this usually happens in the leagues, but over time they take on a higher level and the experience that is forged thanks to this team that is well reformed is the one that takes the lead, it is like Real Madrid of the Spanish League and has brought out teams that were not very strong before.

Anyway, PSG have good prospects and PSG will probably be like Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga who won the title in 9 consecutive seasons and if this season they are successful again then it will be the 10th title in a row. PSG haven't achieved that yet, but with the very good development so far it is possible that PSG will achieve such an achievement. But if that happens then maybe we will say Ligue 1 will be boring because it is not competitive but yes, higher achievement we can see their progress in UCL.

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Quote from: justdimin on February 28, 2022, 03:51:36 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on February 28, 2022, 02:55:20 AM

I find it strange that some teams would say they no longer have motivation for anything in the season. I mean look, it's definitely not realistic to hope teams above you drop points but for a team like Lyon, you can never give up until mathematics says you have to.

Look at Derby in English Championship who had -22 points from fines and slowly climb up until are no longer bottom of league. Look at Liverpool 12 points difference cut to 3. Everyone gave up in December.

9 points from 2nd spot with 12 games to go is nothing!

I feel like it is about not having the courage to give it a go. I mean they can try, they can actually try their hardest, give 100% each game and still fail, still end up losing. Liverpool did manage to win many games, derby did too, but at the end of the day those were the good teams that ended up in bad positions and found themselves doing better again.

Lyon is not like that, they are a bad team that has been doing bad and now you are saying they should be good, if they could then they would have already. They already lost their motivation because at the end of the day even if they try their hardest, they won't be good enough to be around the top.

But you missed the point I guess then. Look at the response I was commenting on, which was about Lyon giving up, so I actually kind of agree with you that Lyon shouldn't be giving up, and have everything left to fight for.

But about them giving 100% I can't comment as I don't watch. It does happen to some teams. And you can see that actually not very many teams perform to their maximum capacity at full psychology. I don't watch much french football because it isn't available here but I've seen teams like PSG in Champions League or let's say even Manchester United at times. Great team, everything to play for (top 4) but still playing absolutely like they have given up.

Very few teams actually give 100%

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Quote from: snipie on February 25, 2022, 02:26:25 PM

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We really clearly see how unqualified the rest of the teams in the Ligue 1 are compared to PSG. Because PSG are still leading by a very far point gap although they make some mistakes and lose two or three points. It is like there is no team to put up a great fight against them. Marseille seem to be the second best team this season but even they are getting poor results. The Clermont match should be enough for a good example I guess. Cheesy

PSG will always dominate the league as long as this huge gap between the teams is maintained.

Actually Ligue 1 looks quite balanced league if you take a look on the table after removing PSG. The gap between the teams is very tight, every match count since the result could flip from a round to another. Now with PSG in, the league look quite annoying with a clear winner after few rounds from the beginning since there is a huge difference between PSG and the rest. PSG has to join EPL tho

You are right about the difference that PSG has with the other teams, but this is not all bad, because this makes the other teams in the league increase their level, and establish more level in their games, the other teams are Good, like Lyon, but they have been left behind, this usually happens in the leagues, but over time they take on a higher level and the experience that is forged thanks to this team that is well reformed is the one that takes the lead, it is like Real Madrid of the Spanish League and has brought out teams that were not very strong before.

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Quote from: Spack17 on February 28, 2022, 04:38:16 PM

There are really great matches ahead next week which are very important for the rivalry for the second spot in the standings. Marseille are going to have a match against Monaco home and Nice are going to host PSG too. These are very unpredictable matches to me. Marseille beat Monaco by 2-0 before in fact and they can do this again. And PSG couldn't defeat Nice this season. Their league match ended by a 0-0 draw and Nice eliminated them from Coupe de France also. Let's see what happens this time.

Those are class matches, PSG as top and Marseille in 2nd. but with 15 different points, I think this is a mission like impossible to beat PSG on top, the reality is Marseille is capable to keep them in the Champions League zone if can beat Monaco at Velodrome. Let we see Nice when they win and Marseille draw or lost, 2nd position will have changed for them and the different points are reduced to 14. but it is still impossible to beat PSG when we look at the peformance.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 28, 2022, 08:45:21 AM

I understood the meaning of your words, but I think the reason is different - firstly, age. No matter how cool a player is, he has fewer opportunities with age - look at Ronaldo, he has incredible motivation even now, but his results also get worse. Secondly, it is a change of club. Messi played all his life in the same club and in the same scheme of play (as you know, Barcelona never had a plan B) and moving to another club certainly had a strong impact on him.

Messi and Ronaldo are playing very last seasons and their careers and very last ones at top levels. It's naturally to see their performance decreases with time which is inevitable. I do neither hate Messi nor Ronaldo and I think we should enjoy any match they play now and until the end of their careers because we are fortunately to be able to watch them in real matches, not in documentary films.
Just like now we only are able to watch documentary films about Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten, Beckenbauer, etc. Just enjoy and feel sympathized on why their performance has decreased a lot in last 2 seasons. Soon we might not see they play in real matches.

I totally agree with you. It is fortunate for us to see the game live of legends like Messi and Ronaldo. One of my favorite players is Maradona and Ronaldinho. But I did not have the good fortune to watch their game live.
Maybe Messi or Ronaldo is no longer a playmaker. Their performances are now weaker than they were at the beginning of their careers. Yet we should enjoy it. And maybe in a few years we won't see these players on the field. Maybe in the coming days we will see Mbappe Haaland and Vinicius will rule the football world.

Actually, under no circumstances would I call Ronaldo a playmaker in the classical sense of the word. I would agree about this about Messi, but not about Ronaldo. For me, Ronaldo is a classic example of a tip forward who scores goals with his actions on the tip and decides the outcome of matches. I agree that their best years in the physical sense are already behind them, but even now their level of play is so high that they are able to benefit their clubs. The whole question is how the head coach can use their best features and integrate them into a team game. On the other hand, I don't think the coach is guilty when Messi is called to kick but can't score a penalty.

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There are really great matches ahead next week which are very important for the rivalry for the second spot in the standings. Marseille are going to have a match against Monaco home and Nice are going to host PSG too. These are very unpredictable matches to me. Marseille beat Monaco by 2-0 before in fact and they can do this again. And PSG couldn't defeat Nice this season. Their league match ended by a 0-0 draw and Nice eliminated them from Coupe de France also. Let's see what happens this time.

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Quote from: Mamun74 on February 28, 2022, 11:35:52 AM

Quote from: Desmong on February 28, 2022, 03:05:00 AM

Big odds winning games marvel's me a lot, take a good look at Lillie Last night winning a goal to nothing again lyon.
Having home advantage doesn't matters at time, I see the more focused and determined get what dey want.
They had their head up, agyer lossing to Chelsea in the Champions League.

Lyon played really poor football last night Against Lille. But Lillie performance was really amazing and they have won that match 1-0.Lyon didn’t score any single goal but they did try their best.Lillie goal keeper and defender's performance was great.Lyon more stronger team than Lillie. I hope Lyon will be win their next match.

Poor performance from both teams lille team scored from the only chance they had and lyon team couldnt score with all the chances they created in the game, the lack of a good striker became clear after each round i don't think any of them will make it to the top 5 spots.

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Quote from: slaman29 on February 28, 2022, 02:55:20 AM

I find it strange that some teams would say they no longer have motivation for anything in the season. I mean look, it's definitely not realistic to hope teams above you drop points but for a team like Lyon, you can never give up until mathematics says you have to.

Look at Derby in English Championship who had -22 points from fines and slowly climb up until are no longer bottom of league. Look at Liverpool 12 points difference cut to 3. Everyone gave up in December.

9 points from 2nd spot with 12 games to go is nothing!

I feel like it is about not having the courage to give it a go. I mean they can try, they can actually try their hardest, give 100% each game and still fail, still end up losing. Liverpool did manage to win many games, derby did too, but at the end of the day those were the good teams that ended up in bad positions and found themselves doing better again.

Lyon is not like that, they are a bad team that has been doing bad and now you are saying they should be good, if they could then they would have already. They already lost their motivation because at the end of the day even if they try their hardest, they won't be good enough to be around the top.

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Quote from: OcTradism on February 28, 2022, 01:05:36 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 28, 2022, 08:45:21 AM

I understood the meaning of your words, but I think the reason is different - firstly, age. No matter how cool a player is, he has fewer opportunities with age - look at Ronaldo, he has incredible motivation even now, but his results also get worse. Secondly, it is a change of club. Messi played all his life in the same club and in the same scheme of play (as you know, Barcelona never had a plan B) and moving to another club certainly had a strong impact on him.

Messi and Ronaldo are playing very last seasons and their careers and very last ones at top levels. It's naturally to see their performance decreases with time which is inevitable. I do neither hate Messi nor Ronaldo and I think we should enjoy any match they play now and until the end of their careers because we are fortunately to be able to watch them in real matches, not in documentary films.
Just like now we only are able to watch documentary films about Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten, Beckenbauer, etc. Just enjoy and feel sympathized on why their performance has decreased a lot in last 2 seasons. Soon we might not see they play in real matches.

I totally agree with you. It is fortunate for us to see the game live of legends like Messi and Ronaldo. One of my favorite players is Maradona and Ronaldinho. But I did not have the good fortune to watch their game live.
Maybe Messi or Ronaldo is no longer a playmaker. Their performances are now weaker than they were at the beginning of their careers. Yet we should enjoy it. And maybe in a few years we won't see these players on the field. Maybe in the coming days we will see Mbappe Haaland and Vinicius will rule the football world.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 28, 2022, 08:45:21 AM

I understood the meaning of your words, but I think the reason is different - firstly, age. No matter how cool a player is, he has fewer opportunities with age - look at Ronaldo, he has incredible motivation even now, but his results also get worse. Secondly, it is a change of club. Messi played all his life in the same club and in the same scheme of play (as you know, Barcelona never had a plan B) and moving to another club certainly had a strong impact on him.

Messi and Ronaldo are playing very last seasons and their careers and very last ones at top levels. It's naturally to see their performance decreases with time which is inevitable. I do neither hate Messi nor Ronaldo and I think we should enjoy any match they play now and until the end of their careers because we are fortunately to be able to watch them in real matches, not in documentary films.

Just like now we only are able to watch documentary films about Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten, Beckenbauer, etc. Just enjoy and feel sympathized on why their performance has decreased a lot in last 2 seasons. Soon we might not see they play in real matches.

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Quote from: ingiltere on February 27, 2022, 03:59:08 PM

Marseille blew a lead with a last minute goal, they are still in second place with this one point but they should've won against weak opponent Troyes. They lost five points against weak opponents in last two weeks, otherwise they could've been in very good position. Now they have no excuse against Monaco game next week.
Things are not going well for Lyon as well. They are losing at home, I guess they have no motivation left for this season. They are far away from top five, that means no European competition for the next season.

It was a happy win for Marseille who was very impressive in the game despite not hitting the back of the net early in the game but the win was worth it. Lyon is not really good this season they have been loosing both home and away and I don't think they have any hope of going to any European competition next season if they keep playing the way they are.

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Quote from: Desmong on February 28, 2022, 03:05:00 AM

Big odds winning games marvel's me a lot, take a good look at Lillie Last night winning a goal to nothing again lyon.
Having home advantage doesn't matters at time, I see the more focused and determined get what dey want.
They had their head up, agyer lossing to Chelsea in the Champions League.

Lyon played really poor football last night Against Lille. But Lillie performance was really amazing and they have won that match 1-0.Lyon didn’t score any single goal but they did try their best.Lillie goal keeper and defender's performance was great.Lyon more stronger team than Lillie. I hope Lyon will be win their next match.

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Quote from: ingiltere on February 27, 2022, 03:59:08 PM

Marseille blew a lead with a last minute goal, they are still in second place with this one point but they should've won against weak opponent Troyes. They lost five points against weak opponents in last two weeks, otherwise they could've been in very good position. Now they have no excuse against Monaco game next week.
Things are not going well for Lyon as well. They are losing at home, I guess they have no motivation left for this season. They are far away from top five, that means no European competition for them next season.

We can say that it was an unlucky match for Marseille. They should have won, but they didn't. They could not prevent Troyes' goal at the last minute. Those 2 points lost were too important for them. They are still in second place in the standings. To be realistic, of course, I didn't think they would pass Paris SG. However, with the loss of points they have experienced in the last weeks, their probability of finishing the league in second place is also decreasing. There is 1 point difference with Nice and 4 points difference with Rennes. The balance can change at any time.

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As a result, Messi played another "dry" match in the farm league, but at the same time he gave two assists (one of them was really beautiful). PSG achieved victory but I can't say that it was an easy game for them. In general, I support Real Madrid, but I see that both teams approach the decisive match "in disguise" - clearly not showing their potential and showing a not too convincing game.

Honestly, I started to feel like Messi just doesn't care about playing in Ligue 1 at all. He knows the players in champions league and plays accordingly and knows the systems and so forth. But he has been lackluster in ligue 1 for a long time enough to know how he should play and why he fails when he does. He is not just talented, he is of course the most talented player I have ever watched but he is also very smart as well and that is the part that I am wondering if he is just ignoring?

I mean think about it this way, if you are a player like Messi then shouldn't you be able to play and fight for a great deal of better results? You probably would learn from your mistakes and get better already.

I understood the meaning of your words, but I think the reason is different - firstly, age. No matter how cool a player is, he has fewer opportunities with age - look at Ronaldo, he has incredible motivation even now, but his results also get worse. Secondly, it is a change of club. Messi played all his life in the same club and in the same scheme of play (as you know, Barcelona never had a plan B) and moving to another club certainly had a strong impact on him.

Agree with what you said, no matter how brilliant it is, the age factor will be an obstacle in their performance.
Actually not only these two people but many examples of the same thing.
all there must be a Re-Generation which makes continuity in the world of football continues to improve.
The era of Ronaldo and Messi is almost over now and we have to be aware of that so we don't have to set our expectations too high on performance.

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Quote from: sana54210 on February 27, 2022, 02:48:17 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 27, 2022, 10:39:42 AM

As a result, Messi played another "dry" match in the farm league, but at the same time he gave two assists (one of them was really beautiful). PSG achieved victory but I can't say that it was an easy game for them. In general, I support Real Madrid, but I see that both teams approach the decisive match "in disguise" - clearly not showing their potential and showing a not too convincing game.

Honestly, I started to feel like Messi just doesn't care about playing in Ligue 1 at all. He knows the players in champions league and plays accordingly and knows the systems and so forth. But he has been lackluster in ligue 1 for a long time enough to know how he should play and why he fails when he does. He is not just talented, he is of course the most talented player I have ever watched but he is also very smart as well and that is the part that I am wondering if he is just ignoring?

I mean think about it this way, if you are a player like Messi then shouldn't you be able to play and fight for a great deal of better results? You probably would learn from your mistakes and get better already.

I understood the meaning of your words, but I think the reason is different - firstly, age. No matter how cool a player is, he has fewer opportunities with age - look at Ronaldo, he has incredible motivation even now, but his results also get worse. Secondly, it is a change of club. Messi played all his life in the same club and in the same scheme of play (as you know, Barcelona never had a plan B) and moving to another club certainly had a strong impact on him.

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Big odds winning games marvel's me a lot, take a good look at Lillie Last night winning a goal to nothing again lyon.
Having home advantage doesn't matters at time, I see the more focused and determined get what dey want.
They had their head up, agyer lossing to Chelsea in the Champions League.

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Quote from: ingiltere on February 27, 2022, 03:59:08 PM

Marseille blew a lead with a last minute goal, they are still in second place with this one point but they should've won against weak opponent Troyes. They lost five points against weak opponents in last two weeks, otherwise they could've been in very good position. Now they have no excuse against Monaco game next week.
Things are not going well for Lyon as well. They are losing at home, I guess they have no motivation left for this season. They are far away from top five, that means no European competition for them next season.

I find it strange that some teams would say they no longer have motivation for anything in the season. I mean look, it's definitely not realistic to hope teams above you drop points but for a team like Lyon, you can never give up until mathematics says you have to.

Look at Derby in English Championship who had -22 points from fines and slowly climb up until are no longer bottom of league. Look at Liverpool 12 points difference cut to 3. Everyone gave up in December.

9 points from 2nd spot with 12 games to go is nothing!

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Lyon - Lille match is going on by Lille's 1-0 lead now. Bookmakers didn't give much chance for Lille for this match but it looks like Lille are getting close to a win now. These teams weren't very different teams in the standings already actually. When we take this into account, every kind of score was possible for this match. Lille are not having a good season this time but they are at least trying something these days. As this is one of the most difficult matches for them, it is critical to have a victory here. This would boost their morale very much.

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Marseille blew a lead with a last minute goal, they are still in second place with this one point but they should've won against weak opponent Troyes. They lost five points against weak opponents in last two weeks, otherwise they could've been in very good position. Now they have no excuse against Monaco game next week.
Things are not going well for Lyon as well. They are losing at home, I guess they have no motivation left for this season. They are far away from top five, that means no European competition for them next season.

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