friend wants to buy 3 GPU's ... should he ?

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Quote from: Williamm07 on September 27, 2021, 02:42:01 AM

10 month ROI isn't guaranteed because market can crash in coming months, if that happens your ROI will take longer to accomplish, can be up to 13months or even more, my advice is you need to be prepared for any possible out comes

ofcourse, for sure !

The way i look at it, and i hope he does too, is its an investment, and a gamble .. hence, dont put money in that you cant lose, and dont expect , count on, or depend on, the return...

Mining is fun too inbetween the upgrades ofcourse!

Also consider we are heading into winter and it might cost some (like me) the same amount of money a day to turn on electric storage heating than it does to run a rig and use that heat instead of paying for just heat so if you can calculate your ROI with free heating included its win win. Those with gas or larger houses might not have the benefit or rather the outright free heating just subsidized heating in part so if you can place the rig in a place that keeps a floor warm and turn off the radiators on that floor might be able to cut the heating bill rather than remove it outright.

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Quote from: adaseb on September 26, 2021, 11:54:52 PM

Quote from: VRMdude on September 26, 2021, 05:38:33 AM

Quote from: flip4flop on September 25, 2021, 07:45:59 PM

I wouldnt pay scalper prices for them but if he can comfortably mine with them if the price drops 30-60% and can mine for 18-22 months without any financial stress then it should be okay. I personally always look at the current ROI and multiply it by 2. If I don't mind running them for that long and it won't cause me any additional financial stress then I would do it.

Find the cards with 36 months warranty, it becomes a free lease of the cards to mine with if they break under warranty esp near the end and then return when faulty for refund or credit towards new ones.

Regarding the warranty.

There are some companies, Sapphire for one, where you need to be the original owner to get any warranty what so ever. They ask for proof of purchase and it needs to be purchased by you, so even if you get bill of sale from the scalper, it might not help you on the warranty concerns.

A few years back, for Sapphire you had to mail it somewhere overseas. No idea if they got a USA address these days. But I remember the shipping with tracking was extremely expensive and extremely slow. So it wasn't worth sending it in for RMA if it had minor issues such as bad fans. You would only use the warranty if the card was dead and unfixable.

Yeah as you rightly point out the warranty is usually none transferable and in general i find it better practice to buy new cards from respectable vendors even when prices are inflated in order to gain the warranty benefit and being an AMD fanboy thats often 36 months of cover thrown in. It makes me laugh n scowl a little when i see cards on ebay offered "still under warranty". Another matter to consider is if you pay scalper prices 100% on top of MRRP for a card from respectable vendor then your warranty is going to be 100% on top as usually they cant replace the cards because production ends and stock is zero in such a timescale and maybe at that point there is no high demand so much lower prices mean you have a nice juicy credit note or refund to spend. wink wink.

And as ever past performance does not guarantee future results.

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Quote from: Williamm07 on September 27, 2021, 02:42:01 AM

10 month ROI isn't guaranteed because market can crash in coming months, if that happens your ROI will take longer to accomplish, can be up to 13months or even more, my advice is you need to be prepared for any possible out comes

ofcourse, for sure !

The way i look at it, and i hope he does too, is its an investment, and a gamble .. hence, dont put money in that you cant lose, and dont expect , count on, or depend on, the return...

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10 month ROI isn't guaranteed because market can crash in coming months, if that happens your ROI will take longer to accomplish, can be up to 13months or even more, my advice is you need to be prepared for any possible out comes

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Quote from: adaseb on September 26, 2021, 11:54:52 PM

Quote from: VRMdude on September 26, 2021, 05:38:33 AM

Quote from: flip4flop on September 25, 2021, 07:45:59 PM

I wouldnt pay scalper prices for them but if he can comfortably mine with them if the price drops 30-60% and can mine for 18-22 months without any financial stress then it should be okay. I personally always look at the current ROI and multiply it by 2. If I don't mind running them for that long and it won't cause me any additional financial stress then I would do it.

Find the cards with 36 months warranty, it becomes a free lease of the cards to mine with if they break under warranty esp near the end and then return when faulty for refund or credit towards new ones.

Regarding the warranty.

There are some companies, Sapphire for one, where you need to be the original owner to get any warranty what so ever. They ask for proof of purchase and it needs to be purchased by you, so even if you get bill of sale from the scalper, it might not help you on the warranty concerns.

A few years back, for Sapphire you had to mail it somewhere overseas. No idea if they got a USA address these days. But I remember the shipping with tracking was extremely expensive and extremely slow. So it wasn't worth sending it in for RMA if it had minor issues such as bad fans. You would only use the warranty if the card was dead and unfixable.

my friend is still very much on the fence ... (and he knows he doesnt have much time left) basically we are only finding about2-3 non-lhr cards in our country (belgium) atm :/
also, im not sure how warranty/replacements will work, when there are no non-lhr's left ...

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It is better to buy video cards in your city or country, so as not to work with an international guarantee. As a rule, the seller will reimburse the cost of sending the defective product if the warranty case is confirmed and the seller will also be responsible for sending a new product. But this is a very long process, which can take several months.

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Quote from: VRMdude on September 26, 2021, 05:38:33 AM

Quote from: flip4flop on September 25, 2021, 07:45:59 PM

I wouldnt pay scalper prices for them but if he can comfortably mine with them if the price drops 30-60% and can mine for 18-22 months without any financial stress then it should be okay. I personally always look at the current ROI and multiply it by 2. If I don't mind running them for that long and it won't cause me any additional financial stress then I would do it.

Find the cards with 36 months warranty, it becomes a free lease of the cards to mine with if they break under warranty esp near the end and then return when faulty for refund or credit towards new ones.

Regarding the warranty.

There are some companies, Sapphire for one, where you need to be the original owner to get any warranty what so ever. They ask for proof of purchase and it needs to be purchased by you, so even if you get bill of sale from the scalper, it might not help you on the warranty concerns.

A few years back, for Sapphire you had to mail it somewhere overseas. No idea if they got a USA address these days. But I remember the shipping with tracking was extremely expensive and extremely slow. So it wasn't worth sending it in for RMA if it had minor issues such as bad fans. You would only use the warranty if the card was dead and unfixable.

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I recently saw the news that the cancellation of mining on Ethereum was postponed to the 1-2 quarter of 2022, so we still have at least 4-6 months. Also, I recently heard about the sale of new powerful ASICs for mining Ethereum, so this year we will still be able to see a hashrate of 1000 terahesh.

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Quote from: fmz89 on September 25, 2021, 11:24:33 AM

Quote from: realwhitewhidow on September 22, 2021, 03:08:24 AM

Hi, my friend is thinking of buying 3 new, non-lhr rtx 3080's

Occording to him, they should pay for itself by around 10 months ...

I personally feel like its probably not worth the hasstle, time, investment, headache, etc... if we are just talking about just 2 cards making such a small profit after the initial 2 months ...
If it where 10 cards, i would have probably told him, yea, go for it.

Thoughts, would you do it , if you had the cards available for purchase ?

Thx in advance for the input

Sam

At 2x msrp and hold all coin that you earm from mining, and start mining from now until 1s jan 2022, sell at peak, should be paid off, if electric paid by yourself

Agreed.

I have a electric key meter payg style and it costs £35 weekly just to run the rig however i mine weekly in excess of £70 worth of Eth and so for every £1 i put in the meter i get £2 back plus free heating as rig keeps house warm. Its a nice money duplicating machine to have as prior only central abnks could do this and soon it might be £3 back for every £1 put in. 10 months ROI even when MRRP is +100%. Lots of variables to monitor so long as theres more money coming out the meter than going in its win. keep eye on electric prices they are rising fast as our ruling class employ the scarcity theory of value in conjunction with there social control system fake climate change thing... Get a smart meter they say, no thanks i dont want remotely disconnecting on a whim when the energy company finds I use a domestic supply for crypto mining and that is coming mark these words as BTC is the direct conversion of energy to Gold and alts are the tributary's filling that vast river. All involved in supplying that energy to us will want a cut of that pie in time when they truly realise whats going on with the game theory.

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Quote from: flip4flop on September 25, 2021, 07:45:59 PM

I wouldnt pay scalper prices for them but if he can comfortably mine with them if the price drops 30-60% and can mine for 18-22 months without any financial stress then it should be okay. I personally always look at the current ROI and multiply it by 2. If I don't mind running them for that long and it won't cause me any additional financial stress then I would do it.

Find the cards with 36 months warranty, it becomes a free lease of the cards to mine with if they break under warranty esp near the end and then return when faulty for refund or credit towards new ones.

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Quote from: realwhitewhidow on September 22, 2021, 03:08:24 AM

Hi, my friend is thinking of buying 3 new, non-lhr rtx 3080's

Occording to him, they should pay for itself by around 10 months ...

I personally feel like its probably not worth the hasstle, time, investment, headache, etc... if we are just talking about just 2 cards making such a small profit after the initial 2 months ...
If it where 10 cards, i would have probably told him, yea, go for it.

Thoughts, would you do it , if you had the cards available for purchase ?

Thx in advance for the input

Sam

From a purely financial view one could weigh up if mining is right at this time by looking at how much actual "crypto" could be bought for a £6k capital investment (rough cost of such new GPU rig setup) and what it might be worth in 10 months. I would say at this time its worth mining esp if you like the tec but risky if you only have £6k to spend tho nothing ventured nothing gained. bear in mind Intel are on the cusp of entering GPU market with an offering in first qurter next year so GPU prices may fall at same time hash rate increases even if ETH goes POS but there will still be ETC and other alts to mine.

I just built what i call a 4th Gen rig using RX6000 series cards from profits derived from a 3rd gen rig now decommissioned. The last two years have been good but nobody could have guessed it han on heart and I setup that 3rd gen rig two years ago at the bottom of the market when Eth was $80 and i mined it for a year at a loss operating costs wise but now who's laughing - nothing ventured nothing gained! One must speculate to accumulate but be sensible and before mortgage your childhood home think hard unless you can accept losing it which probly wont happen but no crypto no cry as Bob might say...

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mining is basically monetizing your cheap power source.

if you are in it for the money, think about the non mineable coins that made a killing.

if you can make money mining, then you/they/friend can easily figure it out yourselves.

exception is if you can go underwater with speculation that the coin/s you are mining is going parabolic/will make a killing/will satisfy your greed/ROI etc..etc..

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I wouldnt pay scalper prices for them but if he can comfortably mine with them if the price drops 30-60% and can mine for 18-22 months without any financial stress then it should be okay. I personally always look at the current ROI and multiply it by 2. If I don't mind running them for that long and it won't cause me any additional financial stress then I would do it.

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If he's spending dollars then historically it has been a good bet to purchase GPUs (if you can get them at a decent price). If he's planning to part with his Bitcoin to purchase them, then it might not be the greatest time to do so. In a few months it's possible Bitcoin will have 3x the purchasing price and GPUs could fall 30% back down to MSRP during that time period. Some people don't like to buy Bitcoin with the intent of selling to a "greater fool" down the line, so if that's the case then getting into mining is a great move compared with sitting on the sidelines.

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Quote from: realwhitewhidow on September 22, 2021, 03:08:24 AM

Hi, my friend is thinking of buying 3 new, non-lhr rtx 3080's

Occording to him, they should pay for itself by around 10 months ...

I personally feel like its probably not worth the hasstle, time, investment, headache, etc... if we are just talking about just 2 cards making such a small profit after the initial 2 months ...
If it where 10 cards, i would have probably told him, yea, go for it.

Thoughts, would you do it , if you had the cards available for purchase ?

Thx in advance for the input

Sam

At 2x msrp and hold all coin that you earm from mining, and start mining from now until 1s jan 2022, sell at peak, should be paid off, if electric paid by yourself

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Quote from: realwhitewhidow on September 22, 2021, 09:31:07 AM

what do you mean ? 13 eurocents, comes to around 15 dollarcents per kwh. is that expensive for US standards ?

no it is meh

I will use usa cents

under 5 very good

5 to 10 mostly of the time good

10 to 15 you enter some zone risky

15 to 20 more risk

over 20 cents pretty high risk

over 30 cents do not mine almost always bad.

My home is 13 usa cents in the winter make it 10-11 cents due to heating savings

my home is 16 usa cent in the summer make it 18 cent due to warm house in the summer.

I made good money from July 2020 to Sept 2021 with those prices.

But understand July 2020 eth to Sept 2021 eth has been very good very very very good.

I also have access to dirt cheap power so I can move all my in house gear there if market crashes.

If you run 3 cards doing 300 mh =

18 usd a day burns 20 kwatts or 3.50 usd a day you are up 14.50 usd a day.

but the gear could drop to earning 6 or even 3 a day and you are burning 3.50 usd a day.

I consider you to be okay not terrible not good ok to get the cards if the price is close to retail.

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Your friend should learn first what difficulty is because I notice most new people have no idea what it is. If a GPU earns $5/day as an example. Say ETH is at $3000. People will just say “I can short hedge some ETH at this price and I am guaranteed to get ROI after a certain amount of days”.

Which is true if ETH goes down and crashes. Usually the difficulty will stay the same or even go lower in their favor. However the issue is when ETH stays the same or goes up a little. Then the difficulty keeps rising and the $5/day can quickly become $4/day or $3/day. And they are at a loss because their short hedge is also underwater.

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If eth goes POS before eastern 2022, like it seem likely, it doesn't make sense to start mining now.
When ETH mine will die, the price for second hand gpu will go well below retail price as 70 % of miners will stop mining.
The only people will keep mining will be the ones with free electricity or very cheap. There simply will be too many miners compared to the worldwide nethash available, so profitablity will drop leaving no space for the casual miner and people with few rigs.

better invest the same money in some crypto coin

I will personally dump 50 % of my rigs before that and I have already started dong so, like a lot of other people that I know

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I would buy them.They are 300 Mhsh in processing power or 100 Mhsh each of them.I would mine with them even at a loss meaning high electricity prices,a price I would pay to keep mining and store my coins when the better times will come and although we are in a downtrend I predict the better times to come sooner rather than later.I am myself stacking up some cash to add one of these to my almost 300 Mhsh processing power I have in October and probably one more in December and with almost 500 Mhsh I think I am Ok to mine for some time.Definitely a good investment no matter what ROI is for me.

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Don't believe the expensive electricity costs stuff/misinformation... even in California where electricity can be around .27c or (16-17c if you own an electric car) RTX 3000 series are extremely profitable assuming you're not paying super scalped prices. I would tell your friend to go ahead and pick them up if they are priced decently, especially if you they are non-LHR variants.

I assume he's getting them for around $1400-1500 USD if the payback is ESTIMATED for 10-months (of course this can change to 6 months or 2 years overnight)

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