Frog: Bitmessage for the web! - page 2.

intellivision

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Quote from: Jaxkr on June 28, 2013, 02:51:27 PM

Quote from: intellivision on June 28, 2013, 07:54:31 AM

I think that bringing Bitmessage to smartphones is probably one of the best ways of getting this protocol into the public space.
However, don't take this the wrong way since I do like the concept, I feel as though a seperate service to send/receive/work messages detracts security, or at least some anonymity, from the network. Not that it could be the case, it's just how I feel.

I would still love to see this come to fruition though.
I'd like to see the offering of more options like local PoW on the user's device (I know ARM isn't that powerful, but it's not Bitcoin mining) or their remote machine with BM PoW software installed, such as a home server.

Also, will you be writing the client in HTML5?

Yes. The client will be using HTML5 technologies, such as a client side DB.
Also, I will be taking a lot of precautions to keep the service anonymous with the frog nodes. I'll write a blog post on this soon, and give you a link.

Thanks, I'll be looking forward to reading it, and congratulations on the funding.
One more question, since would your client is written in HTML5 (I'm assuming the PoW part will be separate or in asm.js) will it be making an appearance on the Firefox Marketplace once released?

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Quote from: intellivision on June 28, 2013, 07:54:31 AM

I think that bringing Bitmessage to smartphones is probably one of the best ways of getting this protocol into the public space.
However, don't take this the wrong way since I do like the concept, I feel as though a seperate service to send/receive/work messages detracts security, or at least some anonymity, from the network. Not that it could be the case, it's just how I feel.

I would still love to see this come to fruition though.
I'd like to see the offering of more options like local PoW on the user's device (I know ARM isn't that powerful, but it's not Bitcoin mining) or their remote machine with BM PoW software installed, such as a home server.

Also, will you be writting the client in HTML5?

Yes. The client will be using HTML5 technologies, such as a client side DB.
Also, I will be taking a lot of precautions to keep the service anonymous with the frog nodes. I'll write a blog post on this soon, and give you a link.

Jaxkr

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Quote from: moltenmich on June 28, 2013, 09:17:09 AM

Congrats on the fully funded bitcoinstarter project! Cheesy

That is an adorable frog. Cheesy

moltenmich

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Congrats on the fully funded bitcoinstarter project! Cheesy

intellivision

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I think that bringing Bitmessage to smartphones is probably one of the best ways of getting this protocol into the public space.
However, don't take this the wrong way since I do like the concept, I feel as though a seperate service to send/receive/work messages detracts security, or at least some anonymity, from the network. Not that it could be the case, it's just how I feel.

I would still love to see this come to fruition though.
I'd like to see the offering of more options like local PoW on the user's device (I know ARM isn't that powerful, but it's not Bitcoin mining) or their remote machine with BM PoW software installed, such as a home server.

Also, will you be writting the client in HTML5?

Peter Lambert

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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye

I think this is a great project. I tried to install Bitmessage on my computer, but only manual install is availible for OSX, and I must have done something wrong because I just can't get it to work. Having an easy to install and use version would be great.

Quote from: gweedo on June 17, 2013, 02:48:49 AM

I hope this doesn't come off as mean, ... Your a programmer, try and get BTC3.5 by working for someone else.

Also don't tell your parents this but college is a scam. I just graduated from college (23yrs old), ... I think your really talented, and you should be hustling in the bitcoin community. ... Wait until your 17, you be driving a Benz maybe even a ferrari to school Wink

Take my advice, bootstrap, hustle, you will be big... And when your starting your own companies you come to me for funding ok.

I hope this doesn't come off as mean, but how do you get through college and not know how to use "your" and "you're" correctly?

bytemaster

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fractally

Sender & Receiver address is anonymous.

The receiver could filter messages on the client side, but they would still flow through the network.

marcus_of_augustus

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Eadem mutata resurgo

Quote from: Jaxkr on June 26, 2013, 07:32:37 PM

Quote from: prophetx on June 26, 2013, 12:35:51 PM

Frog is a great idea.

However I think for bitmessage to be a success there needs to evolve a market for pow, people are not going to want to drain mobile computing resources to send potentially 100s of benign msgs in 1 day. Or trade pow credits from other computing resources

Just my opinion but I think that is an important missing piece

You read my mind.
I already have a "stamps" program planned. For about .3 mBTC, you will be able to purchase a credit (or "stamp") that gets your messages processed by powerful PoW servers will a lot of GPUs.
This is how the service will pay for itself, and be usable on mobile devices.

Interesting ... so people with lots of mBTC can afford to send junk mails I suppose ... can a receiver set his 'postage' high enough to discourage low-ball (i.e. low difficulty PoW" messages from arriving?

bitcoinstarter

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Quote from: Rampion on June 27, 2013, 11:57:10 AM

Great project!

20 hours to go! very cool Grin

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Great project!

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Bitcoin

Quote from: prophetx on June 27, 2013, 02:36:48 AM

Quote from: Jaxkr on June 26, 2013, 07:32:37 PM

Quote from: prophetx on June 26, 2013, 12:35:51 PM

Frog is a great idea.

However I think for bitmessage to be a success there needs to evolve a market for pow, people are not going to want to drain mobile computing resources to send potentially 100s of benign msgs in 1 day. Or trade pow credits from other computing resources

Just my opinion but I think that is an important missing piece

You read my mind.
I already have a "stamps" program planned. For about .3 mBTC, you will be able to purchase a credit (or "stamp") that gets your messages processed by powerful PoW servers will a lot of GPUs.
This is how the service will pay for itself, and be usable on mobile devices.

you may want to think of monthly/qtrly/annual flat fee instead, maybe stage it for personal, business, enterprise, etc - think of it like a mailchimp service or hosted email. or for the phone app just give it away for free trial then some low yearly cost for up to XXXX msgs

maybe for large volumes you can do the per mail tx but otherwise you will just be processing for such small amounts and it will eat up cycles, and clog up the network with these micro tx.

to promote it let people send a couple hundred msgs for free per month if they had an account on here since some day (like what ripple/opencoin did) for the first year or whatever

instead of having to invest in the hardware if you allow the community to provide this proof of work, then you can act as an intermediary, collect your fee for the service, and pay the community for providing the hardware and hosting, rather then taking that on as an additional operation. but i am unsure how capable the current system is to support something like that. this also provides incentive for the greater btc community to support using this

I agree with this thinking ^^ .

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Quote from: Jaxkr on June 26, 2013, 07:32:37 PM

Quote from: prophetx on June 26, 2013, 12:35:51 PM

Frog is a great idea.

However I think for bitmessage to be a success there needs to evolve a market for pow, people are not going to want to drain mobile computing resources to send potentially 100s of benign msgs in 1 day. Or trade pow credits from other computing resources

Just my opinion but I think that is an important missing piece

You read my mind.
I already have a "stamps" program planned. For about .3 mBTC, you will be able to purchase a credit (or "stamp") that gets your messages processed by powerful PoW servers will a lot of GPUs.
This is how the service will pay for itself, and be usable on mobile devices.

you may want to think of monthly/qtrly/annual flat fee instead, maybe stage it for personal, business, enterprise, etc - think of it like a mailchimp service or hosted email. or for the phone app just give it away for free trial then some low yearly cost for up to XXXX msgs

maybe for large volumes you can do the per mail tx but otherwise you will just be processing for such small amounts and it will eat up cycles, and clog up the network with these micro tx.

to promote it let people send a couple hundred msgs for free per month if they had an account on here since some day (like what ripple/opencoin did) for the first year or whatever

instead of having to invest in the hardware if you allow the community to provide this proof of work, then you can act as an intermediary, collect your fee for the service, and pay the community for providing the hardware and hosting, rather then taking that on as an additional operation. but i am unsure how capable the current system is to support something like that. this also provides incentive for the greater btc community to support using this

Jaxkr

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Quote from: gollum on June 26, 2013, 08:42:45 PM

I like your idea!
We need both a frog website and a frog app for iOS / Android / WinPhone so all noobs can start to use bitmessage Wink

Phonegap application for iOS, Android, and Windows Phone will be probably be available as soon as Frog leaves Beta.

Native apps will probably take a lot longer, though.

gollum

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In Hashrate We Trust!

I like your idea!
We need both a frog website and a frog app for iOS / Android / WinPhone so all noobs can start to use bitmessage Wink

Jaxkr

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Quote from: prophetx on June 26, 2013, 12:35:51 PM

Frog is a great idea.

However I think for bitmessage to be a success there needs to evolve a market for pow, people are not going to want to drain mobile computing resources to send potentially 100s of benign msgs in 1 day. Or trade pow credits from other computing resources

Just my opinion but I think that is an important missing piece

You read my mind.
I already have a "stamps" program planned. For about .3 mBTC, you will be able to purchase a credit (or "stamp") that gets your messages processed by powerful PoW servers will a lot of GPUs.
This is how the service will pay for itself, and be usable on mobile devices.

prophetx

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he who has the gold makes the rules

Frog is a great idea.

However I think for bitmessage to be a success there needs to evolve a market for pow, people are not going to want to drain mobile computing resources to send potentially 100s of benign msgs in 1 day. Or trade pow credits from other computing resources

Just my opinion but I think that is an important missing piece

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Quote from: bitcoinstarter on June 20, 2013, 09:42:03 PM

I miss college :/

Agreed, while I may have ended up paying a ton for college, it helped me broaden my view in the computer science realm and helped developed me into the "polyglot" that I am today, trying every tool available instead of using one tool, no matter how inappropriate.

It also looks good to the HR folks and gets you past many filters that exist. I do have to admit that I've run into people that have degrees and guess that they were the ones who "coasted" and didn't learn a thing... or have been so distant from college time-wise that the problem-solving skills and flexibility from then are long-gone (if ever present).

As a point - the whole road that got me to programming in security and eventually getting involved in Bitcoin was a "computer security" seminar where an entrepreneur presented and we got in contact... eventually leading me to my job right out of college that I've held and evolved up to the current moment.

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Quote from: bytemaster on June 20, 2013, 10:22:18 PM

My advice, move to a college town, date college girls, sit in on classes like a student, and teach yourself everything. All of the benefits, none of the costs. Then use your time saved by skipping worthless general classes and performing pointless projects and instead focus on developing a real business.

You could even claim you attended classes at school X and learned everything they had to offer if anyone asks.

That could actually work for a number of classes. Anything larger than 50 students you could easily sneak in. Problem is, a lot of good classes are generally smaller and you'll have a harder time getting away with it. But that being said, you could get a job on campus in an office or something, and then befriend the professors you want to learn from. No doubt they'd be cool with you stopping by for interesting lectures.

My college experience had a lot to offer. But I do think there were requirements that just weren't necessary. It's really where you go and what you do with it.

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My advice, move to a college town, date college girls, sit in on classes like a student, and teach yourself everything. All of the benefits, none of the costs. Then use your time saved by skipping worthless general classes and performing pointless projects and instead focus on developing a real business.

You could even claim you attended classes at school X and learned everything they had to offer if anyone asks.

bitcoinstarter

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Quote from: gweedo on June 20, 2013, 12:53:00 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on June 20, 2013, 12:42:20 PM

I second those who argue skipping college. Like you I was programming in high school and college taught me nothing. I now interview people on a regular basis and NEVER look at their college. I would go so far as to say you don't want to work any place that does.

If you want a job send me a message and we can see how you can join the team. You can make more money on you own than in a 9 to 5 job.

I regret going to college everyday, and if bitcoin didn't talk off I would be in $200,000 loans and I wouldn't be able to start my own companies, or anything I have to go to work.

I miss college :/

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