Fruitwallet (ios wallet) discussion - page 3.

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Quote from: coinnewbit on March 31, 2014, 09:17:46 AM

Also, i can't send out less than 0.001 btc. Not very effective. Maybe suggest giving a small bonus? UI looks good, however, a lot of features are not really that great.

Thanks for your reply.
We are still it Beta.
Installing profile is to tie you wallet to the device. It is a security feature, we just got your hadrware identificators. That means no one can steal you BTC without having your iphone. When you try to withdraw my BTC in fruitwallet account, that I've provided you suppose to get an error, that wallet is set up to other device.
Minimal send amount is 0.001 BTC. Do you think it is quite a lot?
Which features don't you like? I would appreciate your feedback.

Quote from: coinnewbit on March 31, 2014, 09:11:31 AM

Hello, apparently i have to install a ios profile. Will this spy on my phone? Also, the description is partially blocked out by the borders and is not scrollable.

It will not spy. It is it even does not install anything, just collects data (udid number)
(UPDATED)If you go to Settings-> General -> Profile, You will see that no profiles applied.
Here is full description of profile https://www.dropbox.com/s/nyix2c9pk2gznk3/image-21.png

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Also, i can't send out less than 0.001 btc. Not very effective. Maybe suggest giving a small bonus? UI looks good, however, a lot of features are not really that great.

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Hello, apparently i have to install a ios profile. Will this spy on my phone? Also, the description is partially blocked out by the borders and is not scrollable.

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on March 30, 2014, 10:07:34 AM

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But none can steal my money cuz send function works only for my personal device.

cuz?

"Because", sorry.

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But none can steal my money cuz send function works only for my personal device.

cuz?

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on March 29, 2014, 11:50:29 PM

Let's give OP benefit of the doubt and assume they are honest.

The question then becomes, is this kind of app a good idea?
Why keep the coins online? Why not just have the app itself
Store the private keys locally?

To me, best way is provide open source code so community
Can verify security.

Hopefully you can monetize the effort with mobile ads.

Thanks for mentioning benefit of the doubt.

We think fruitwallet may be a good idea for those who just need to use BTC in the easiest and secure way via iOS device.
Just to pay in cafe, ATM or on Satoshi Square Meetup.
When i say secure, I mean protected from intruders. We are providing SaaS not just one more way to store another batch of keys.

We are consulting with great specialist in Security field and we managed to develop some kind of Know How for out security system and not willing to share it at least for now. There are some Open Source web solutions, but I thing we are technically few steps ahead.
We think we can monetize by taking a small fee in future for sent transaction - for about 0.0001 which is 5 cents now. I think it is fair.

You can get the whole story immediately after you try the app

Probably you are the one who just not interested in using such a service.

My credentials in the app are:
[email protected]
12345678
It has about $50 there
But none can steal my money because send function works only for my personal device.

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Quote from: coinnewbit on March 30, 2014, 04:36:33 AM

wait what? let me install the app

This does not need installation, but okay.

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Quote from: fruitwallet on March 30, 2014, 03:57:37 AM

Quote from: coinnewbit on March 30, 2014, 03:50:41 AM

I'll register and help out too since there's a chance to get free btc.

I don't want free BTC become you main goal to try out the wallet

But I will if you have none to try.
Want me to give my credentials to fruitwallet? Like a demo account?

Quote from: btbrae on March 30, 2014, 03:49:03 AM

Quote from: fruitwallet on March 30, 2014, 03:24:46 AM

We are honest and we will not rob anybody.

Phew. I'm glad you cleared that up... now where do I send all my money?

Send it too hungry people if Asia or Africa. Are you asking my advice? I usually donate to Orphans.

wait what? let me install the app

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Quote from: coinnewbit on March 30, 2014, 03:50:41 AM

I'll register and help out too since there's a chance to get free btc.

I don't want free BTC become you main goal to try out the wallet

But I will if you have none to try.
Want me to give my credentials to fruitwallet? Like a demo account?

Quote from: btbrae on March 30, 2014, 03:49:03 AM

Quote from: fruitwallet on March 30, 2014, 03:24:46 AM

We are honest and we will not rob anybody.

Phew. I'm glad you cleared that up... now where do I send all my money?

Send it too hungry people if Asia or Africa. Are you asking my advice? I usually donate to Orphans.

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Quote from: fruitwallet on March 30, 2014, 03:24:46 AM

Nothing to answer from my side.
We are honest and we will not rob anybody.
We wont give you your keys as well as bank does not give you gold instead of your money, just for you to feel safe.

There are 2 reasons:
1. It will make additional difficulties for user, want to have difficulties? Search for ios solution with keys, there are some hacky ways to install one.
2. Storing keys on your ios device is also risky. Somebody can steal your private key which you're supposed to take with you in written. franky1, dont you think?

Btw, none of the guys who are telling about secure keys even tried the fruitwallet. Why do you think you can feedback our service without trying it?

Franky1, pls register at fruitwallet. I'll send you some btc on your wallet for you to test. You'll see that this service is great even without having keys.
Want you guys me to give you my credentials at fruitwallet? you can try to steal my money

I'll register and help out too since there's a chance to get free btc.

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I will try out this wallet.

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Quote from: fruitwallet on March 30, 2014, 03:24:46 AM

We are honest and we will not rob anybody.

Phew. I'm glad you cleared that up... now where do I send all my money?

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Nothing to answer from my side.
We are honest and we will not rob anybody.
We wont give you your keys as well as bank does not give you gold instead of your money, just for you to feel safe.

There are 2 reasons:
1. It will make additional difficulties for user, want to have difficulties? Search for ios solution with keys, there are some hacky ways to install one.
2. Storing keys on your ios device is also risky. Somebody can steal your private key which you're supposed to take with you in written. franky1, dont you think?

Btw, none of the guys who are telling about secure keys even tried the fruitwallet. Why do you think you can feedback our service without trying it?

Franky1, pls register at fruitwallet. I'll send you some btc on your wallet for you to test. You'll see that this service is great even without having keys.
Want you guys me to give you my credentials at fruitwallet?
You can try to withdraw my money if you think keys are needed to protect coins...

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: franky1 on March 30, 2014, 12:07:18 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on March 29, 2014, 11:58:56 PM

All well and good but how are they supposed to input the key?

my privkey is a qr code, a text document and a wallet backup.

lets say i know in one paper wallet i have 2btc for instance

instead of typing in a username and password. i type in / scan my privkey.

i then type in/scan the public key of who i want to send 1BTC to
i then type in/scan the public key of a new fresh paper wallet address i want for the 1BTC change.

and the local script makes the signed TX (never saving the privkey) and posts only the signed transaction to a couple pool PUSHTX API's

Good thoughts... But how do we make it user friendly. Where do you scan the qr code from?
If the code is already on the phone , why not just let the app access it when it needs to?

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on March 29, 2014, 11:58:56 PM

All well and good but how are they supposed to input the key?

my privkey is a qr code, a text document and a wallet backup.

lets say i know in one paper wallet i have 2btc for instance

instead of typing in a username and password. i type in / scan my privkey.

i then type in/scan the public key of who i want to send 1BTC to
i then type in/scan the public key of a new fresh paper wallet address i want for the 1BTC change.

and the local script makes the signed TX (never saving the privkey) and posts only the signed transaction to a couple pool PUSHTX API's

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Quote from: franky1 on March 29, 2014, 11:57:23 PM

i prefer an app that does not save privkeys.

users simply input the privkey and all the app does is balance check/display. and makes a signed transaction with the key. (in the script stored on the phone or javascript on the local machine.

the only data that is sent to the internet is the signed transaction.

users can then input their privkeys locally, put the next paper wallet public key for the change to go to and the address for the spend to go to..

a simple local hosted transaction maker with a signed transaction post at the end.

All well and good but how are they supposed to input the key?

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i prefer an app that does not save privkeys.

users simply input the privkey and all the app does is balance check/display. and makes a signed transaction with the key. (in the script stored on the phone or javascript on the local machine.

the only data that is sent to the internet is the signed transaction.

users can then input their privkeys locally, put the next paper wallet public key for the change to go to and the address for the spend to go to..

a simple local hosted transaction maker with a signed transaction post at the end.

jonald_fyookball

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Let's give OP benefit of the doubt and assume they are honest.

The question then becomes, is this kind of app a good idea?
Why keep the coins online? Why not just have the app itself
Store the private keys locally?

To me, best way is provide open source code so community
Can verify security.

Hopefully you can monetize the effort with mobile ads.

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Quote from: fruitwallet on March 29, 2014, 07:15:08 PM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on March 29, 2014, 07:05:32 PM

First question: How do I send you all my money? Do you have a bitcoin address I can send to? I like shortcuts.

Hi. All btc are stored in our wallet.
It has a lot of addresses: for all customers, for change that comes from dividing transactions and so on.

What do you mean send all your money? You can create a wallet at fruitwallet and store as much as you need for you pocket expenses.
Sure I have bitcoin address, why do you need to send me money?

Which shortcuts do you mean? screenshots? or ios home screen shortcut? but nice to hear anyway.

P.S. not sure if I got you right.

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