Topic: Fulfilling signature campaign post quota by recycling own posts (Read 1003 times)

We agree, but the point was I don't think they'll be banned for this. If it's spam, it's gone already. Even plagiarism won't get you banned if you delete it by yourself.

His posts also included AI.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64186919
Have his posts been checked against the tools used in the Nutildah topic?

These are just three posts that indicate that the AI was at work, but there are many more such posts. After that, it can be assumed that the posts written by the AI were subsequently paraphrased by another tool.

A bump?  It might technically be considered that (even if it's stretching the definition), but it's not a bump in spirit and I think we all probably can agree on that.


Trust abuse without consequences, though, unless one or more DT members decided it was so egregious that counter-feedback needed to be given or the person(s) who tagged those involved with the post recycling needed to be tagged.  Sometimes you just have to use the tools at your disposal.  Having said that, I'm not tagging anyone for this but nor would I harbor a grudge against anyone who saw fit to do so.

Me, too.  I don't doubt that this crap has been happening as long as idiots have been able to get away with it, but I'll be damned if I ever noticed it myself--or if it's ever been reported as being a problem in a thread like this.  Nice eyes, OP.

Well, I guess this is one way to avoid using AI to generate posts, right?  Fortunately, uncovering recycled posts is way easier than ones made using some kind of program.  And I'll admit that I've tended to use some of the same phrases over and over again in my posts over the years, it's not because I don't know how to write anything else.  It's just my style, and sometimes I just have the same opinion on whatever the topic of a thread is.  But there's a difference between that and actually "self-plagiarizing" (which isn't a valid phrase IMO, but you all know what I'm talking about).

Shut these fools down!

Many quality posters will join the Stake campaign for $50 (25 posts). The problem with some of the participants is greed. They want to get the maximum pay even when they know that they lack the time or ability to do it. If these Stake posters post based on their abilities and not because of money, their post quality will improve.

Stake Management identified this problem and tried to stop it by allocating maximum posts to members based on certain criteria. The problem now is that the process of giving quotas to posters was faulty, so spammers and greedy posters were still given high quotas. So the problem persisted.

I have a suggestion; the managers of the campaign need to look for means to identify quality posters. Different criteria should be used and an external person(s) who are not part of the current campaign managers should be part of the selection process.

+1


However, managers (if they really exist there) marked this user as writing quality posts. As far as I understand, they have standards for how the post should look, but the content itself is completely irrelevant.
Quotes as a sign of discussing a certain topic with someone, two or three paragraphs, a picture (preferably from the Stake site). For those who are short-sighted, this picture looks pretty good.


We can't ban a campaign because we don't like the quality they bring. How will we even determine which manager is up to the task? I believe that every manager has those who think that he is not doing his job well, and that would be an endless discussion.

The Stake campaign is currently the most talked about, so it can be concluded that it is also a form of success. They definitely attracted attention.

I'm sure that nobody reads those posts, and even if they do, they can't have an IQ higher than 50. It is clear to all of us that this campaign currently holds the leading position in generating spam on this forum (together with a couple of super low pay rates campaigns), so suggestions that someone should spend several hours every day cleaning up after them do not make much sense.

The only thing that would give results is a temporary ban on that campaign, and mandatory running of the campaign (if it were to be started again) by a respectable manager - this has already happened in the past when such positions were taken by @Lauda and @hilariousandco.

For every hero on the campaign, they earn $50 for every 25 posts while $0.75 if they make more but with more if they post more on gambling board. But legendary members in the campaign earn more. Legendary members are earning $62.5 for every 25 posts while $0.9 more after 25 posts and more if they post under gambling board. They have a grading way to limit some people posts but all of them can still have up to 50 posts per week. I will agree with you that the pay is enough even for the 25 posts but some people are greedy and want to post more by spamming. I am not saying they should not post more but it should be with quality posts.

I have to disagree, even though it's true their pay rate is lower than other campaigns, but they paid at least $50 for 25 posts is quite decent especially there are many campaign have stopped.

It's not those members don't apply, but they've applied and they didn't get accepted because they have their "own" way to judge the post quality.



They're not "accepted", instead they're "hired".

There's a difference, not many users can earn 4K merits or become a moderator.

This is wrong, I've check few of their participants, there are many participants that only received 1 merit in the last 120 days still participate till now. I don't see their post quality is dropping, their post quality is same, exaggerate one sentence become one paragraph or two paragraphs.

That is no more spamming as he was deleting the old post. The moderators will leave his account alone and not give it any temporary or permanent ban. But what could teach him the lesson is when his account has been given comments on his trust page about what he did. If a campaign manager reads it, he will think of selecting him into another campaign or not. But I do not think a campaign manager will select someone like this that intentionally ranked up and start looking for all ways to earn money from a signature campaign.

I am not in support of anyone, but I am only expressing my personal view. What QueenVera did is bad and against the forum rules, maybe this user is using bot to post and that is why s/he is recycling his/her post over and over again, because if I am QueenVera I would get tired of recycling my post.

I have no doubt that Stake manager have problems with monitoring their campaign participants, and some of these participants take that for granted by spamming the forum to get paid weekly. I would not say that Stake manager selected spammers to work with, because a forum member can become more serious in posting quality post just to get a signature campaign and the moment they have been accepted after few weeks, they will become lazy and unserious with giving out quality post in order to give their best to company.

However, I have noticed that the pay rate of stake is not encouraging to some forum members here who are quality posters and post for fun, especially those in the technical section, and if Stake opens their campaign, such members don't apply. Stake will have no option than to pick from the members that applied, and they will pick the best to their knowledge especially when you are contributing more on gambling section. I saw recently that Stake accepted two quality posters from the Nigeria Board, Charles-Tim and Igebotz. This means that Stake manager knows what he wants and knows how to pick quality posters, but he is not given the opportunity to select because the payrate is low compared to other signature campaigns in the past, so those quality posters don't apply.

I have seen some number of quality posters in Stake. Some signature campaign managers do experience sometimes, that the post quality of a participant is dropping or he did not earned any merit over one month, and they will replace that user and if they are more than one, reshuffling will be made.

It is a harsh decision... Don't use the sin of one person to condemn the rest.  
 Like I said, there are still quality posters in Stake.

I don't even think he'll be banned for spamming: posting the same thing after you deleted it could be considered a bump.

I've seen this many times: apparently the concept of plagiarism is still confusing. At least this puts xLays on the safe side

That would be considered Trust abuse.

You don't need to give stake a feedback because of the participants they hired is spamming the forum, its when you have noticed a strange thing in stake betting platform that's harm to people who use their platform, it's when you will tag them, actually I have not seen the law stake broke, any user who is engaged in spamming the forum will face the consequence, neither the user will receive different neutral, because stake have the right to quit any participant at any point in time.

Spamming should be handled with report to moderator and for overwhelming one, a topic to get noticed by the admin/mod.

Feedback system isn't for fighting against spam. It will reduce the credit/standard of feedback system.

Stake was and is very smart not to hire you Little Mouse as you are a cheat and they are not stupid at all.

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That should teach them a lesson. Spamming the forum? That’s the line nobody should cross.

It is against the forum rules.

One less sig camp, I think we will be gud. We are drowning in sig camps, the participants will move to the next one, nobody will notice their absence

I am not totally ignorant that things like this happens. But I think I last heard about this type of spam during my early days in the forum. I am trying to figure out how this happen. Is it that Queenvera wrote down like 20 posts in their notepad and keep copy pasting them randomly to post. Also how will a post published today still fall in context when published in few days later. Atleast posts follow conversation flow.

Stake has only 1 manager, others are employees. I don't trust that they read posts before rating. They definitely check length of posts and rate.

The bannable offense is plagiarism, which is taking the content of others and passing it of as yours. Copying and pasting your own content repeatedly is very abusive spamming but it's not plagiarism and if spamming attracts a ban, it should be a temporary ban first.

That guy for sure doesn't read the post, and if he actually does that I'm going to congratulate him no matter what others say, if you read all that repetitive 4 lines or for the more advanced spammer constant 3 paragraphs of gibberish and you don't get brain cancer after one month, as I said, this is something to appreciate! But, I'm sure nobody does the reading, they probably just put some random data in there and be done with it, if some shit in there is valued at 8 I really want to know what 1 or 2 rating look like. Also, how the hell are they all into the 7-8.5 range, commonnnnn!


Cheap banner impression, they thought it would cost them more to actually do it themselves so this is the result!
No wonder the gambling board is turning from sinkhole to shithole to blackhole with those!

Do you honestly belive that there are 4 managers that are independently checking those posts?

Imho, one person is doing all this and those fake 4 managerrs are just show so Stake campaign appears more professional while we know its bullshit consideering the amount of shitposters among their ranks. And explains why something like this went unnoticed for so long.

Anyway, good catch @morvillz7z!