Here is yet another clearly bias delete.
1. It is on my own self moderated reee thread. ( only created due to bias moderation that is removing any truthful negative evidence from the goodbye world lauda leaving thread )
2. On the original thread nullius is telling more lies and disparaging any other members that mention the truth about lauda, claiming that they are the only people being negative aside from trolls.
3. So on my own reeeee: thread where I am presenting the truth I again furnish the reader with the truth that nullius is once more controlling the narrative and misrepresenting the reality of the situation and a mod deletes my own post from my own self moderated reee thread.
This is scandalous.
You can not present the truth on your own self moderated Ree thread that you only had to start because the ontopic and relevant truth was banned from the original thread?
This kind of truth censorship is grotesque.
Topic: Full transparency on the forum? Why not? (Read 643 times)
Thanks to those that are making a sensible effort to debate the suggestions in the OP.
There is a tiny bit of transparency at the moment but its kind of not useful.
For example the mod deleting my on topic and relevant posts is doing it at around the same time each session they decide to exercise their terrible judgement or intentional bias.
For example the deletes happen in very quick succession around this time or an hour or so earlier.
I very much suspect it is the same mod.
I also now suspect the mod is stalking my posts in real time? Why you say?
Well, I've just had a post that I made deleted instantly !!! It was not even on a thread this account has posted on before to my memory.
I mean I pressed post and I would estimate 30s to max couple of mins after that it was deleted
I thought did I somehow press delete or not even post it or wtf happened.
I then see the PM That a mod had deleted it?
I mean that means it was not reported at all. A mod was following me around ( because a mod has just finished deleting my own post from my own self moderated thread??) And one other one that was on topic and relevant?
This is why you need transparency. You would know when mods are stalking you.
There is no point saying well that post must have been so clearly off topic that some AI auto deleted it or was auto flagged or whatever.
1. If I post it and place it in the full context of the discussion all of which is still there and continuing unfettered
Not one person would be able to demonstrate it was off topic and irrelevant. I was strangely agreeing with their points also??
2. There is no AI here contrary to popular belief.
Certain things you are not permitted to criticise or point out the truth.
If you don't believe me check the logs the post and delete was immediate.
The stats I mentioned and appeals process is fundamental to free speech here.
Either the post is off topic and irrelevant and gets deleted along with the other off topic irrelevant posts or it is not.
You can't have double standards. That is a form of lying and deception.
A guarantee and safe guarding of free speech to me along with all the other benefits mentioned trumps the potential negatives of the stats + reason + possible appeal.
I mean obviously none of it will happen along with all the other indisputable improvements I've seen suggested over the past year or 2. Still it's fun to debate them.
I mean the forum is for fun too right?
Once you have defeated every claim made against you, proven everything you have claimed was true about others, proven you are being unfairly censored and not one mod or admin will stand against you and defend their actions. What else is left?
Just casually debating how to improve things for the future.
Is that pointless at this stage? and do suggestions from very unpopular members ensure they would never be implemented even if provably useful.
? Who can say.
Strange now though I find DT members making 180 degree turns and agreeing with CH. So now you get deleted for agreeing with DT members where as CH was deleted for disagreeing with them on the same points. Lol
In time every single thing he said will be proven to be indisputably true.
There is a tiny bit of transparency at the moment but its kind of not useful.
For example the mod deleting my on topic and relevant posts is doing it at around the same time each session they decide to exercise their terrible judgement or intentional bias.
For example the deletes happen in very quick succession around this time or an hour or so earlier.
I very much suspect it is the same mod.
I also now suspect the mod is stalking my posts in real time? Why you say?
Well, I've just had a post that I made deleted instantly !!! It was not even on a thread this account has posted on before to my memory.
I mean I pressed post and I would estimate 30s to max couple of mins after that it was deleted
I thought did I somehow press delete or not even post it or wtf happened.
I then see the PM That a mod had deleted it?
I mean that means it was not reported at all. A mod was following me around ( because a mod has just finished deleting my own post from my own self moderated thread??) And one other one that was on topic and relevant?
This is why you need transparency. You would know when mods are stalking you.
There is no point saying well that post must have been so clearly off topic that some AI auto deleted it or was auto flagged or whatever.
1. If I post it and place it in the full context of the discussion all of which is still there and continuing unfettered
Not one person would be able to demonstrate it was off topic and irrelevant. I was strangely agreeing with their points also??
2. There is no AI here contrary to popular belief.
Certain things you are not permitted to criticise or point out the truth.
If you don't believe me check the logs the post and delete was immediate.
The stats I mentioned and appeals process is fundamental to free speech here.
Either the post is off topic and irrelevant and gets deleted along with the other off topic irrelevant posts or it is not.
You can't have double standards. That is a form of lying and deception.
A guarantee and safe guarding of free speech to me along with all the other benefits mentioned trumps the potential negatives of the stats + reason + possible appeal.
I mean obviously none of it will happen along with all the other indisputable improvements I've seen suggested over the past year or 2. Still it's fun to debate them.
I mean the forum is for fun too right?
Once you have defeated every claim made against you, proven everything you have claimed was true about others, proven you are being unfairly censored and not one mod or admin will stand against you and defend their actions. What else is left?
Just casually debating how to improve things for the future.
Is that pointless at this stage? and do suggestions from very unpopular members ensure they would never be implemented even if provably useful.
? Who can say.
Strange now though I find DT members making 180 degree turns and agreeing with CH. So now you get deleted for agreeing with DT members where as CH was deleted for disagreeing with them on the same points. Lol
In time every single thing he said will be proven to be indisputably true.
Why are you asking the same questions and expecting different results? It would be a nightmare if things like this were public. In real life do you get to see who everyone voted for or who grassed you up to the police? Of course not. There's a reason why you need some privacy and it should be up to the individual if they want to share that info with you. People would be worried to report posts if it was public and the same goes for mods handling them. If a post is against the rules it should be reported and people shouldn't have to fear reprisals for doing so. If it's against the rules then a mod will handle it; if not, it will either be marked as bad or left alone. If you feel like your posts are being targeted either by users of staff then state your case in Meta and they will be looked into.
Yeah really I like the method of these response because not every question the answer is been exposed because some certain answer to a question needs to be confidential like election conducted by electoral body, no one review it unless it's been pronounced, that's reason you can't know who is against or with you.
In the case of transparency I can think of a disaster if this will be applied for it will create hatred among othee users being reported and doing the report.
However, transparency will do better in other cases lor side of this forum like the creation of the projects for the investors to know the real people behind running the project and to avoid getting scam.
In other replies of yours regarding on scam issues with other members of the forum then only thing I can say is to keep it up. I myself is always fun of reading your posts but I am not agaisnt to someone here in the forum. I just wanted also for you to clear yourself or whatsoever misunderstanding that went through either in your side or the other party.
Okay the problems as I see it currently are
1. Not understanding why you post was deleted.
Resulting in
A/ repeating the mistake
B/ feeling it was unfair or a biased delete.
C/ creating threads asking why or accusing mods of bias
2. Not understanding why your report was marked bad
Resulting in
A/ repetitive reporting of those not meeting the threshold for deletion
B / feeling it was unfair or biased
C/ creating threads complaining of mod bias
D/ never reporting any other posts.
1. Not understanding why you post was deleted.
Resulting in
A/ repeating the mistake
B/ feeling it was unfair or a biased delete.
C/ creating threads asking why or accusing mods of bias
2. Not understanding why your report was marked bad
Resulting in
A/ repetitive reporting of those not meeting the threshold for deletion
B / feeling it was unfair or biased
C/ creating threads complaining of mod bias
D/ never reporting any other posts.
If those are the problem, including the reason on PM when one's post is deleted is better solution.
But it's only practical if there's UI where moderator only need to click one fancy button such as ("Delete post [referral link]", "Delete post [off-topic]", etc.) and someone willing to make the implementation.
This is very true. Also the stats I mentioned could very easily be attached to the delete email.
So you would have the reason and the stats giving semi transparency. That would be a great step forward.
You could also have an I'm happy button and an appeal button.
You could be allowed 1 appeal per year renewed upon successful overturn.
This could be a feature for member or above.
Like I say if merit was remotely credible you could really leverage it to cut back on mod work.
You will always need an ultimate arbiter but the cost for taking it that far should be considerable like a 1 month ban or 1 month pay cut for the mod.
It is simple if you are presenting on topic relevant independently verifiable truths they must NEVER be deleted.
The very notion of doing so is scandalous if you want to claim free speech exists.
Yes, irrelevant, spurious and lacking strong corroboration, mindless groundless abuse and posting conclusively debunked information as true should be deleted how hard can it be?
I mean, yes being a mod must be pretty tough at times. This long term would help mods.
1. You will not get repeat offenders due to lack of understanding
2. You will not get lots of vindictive reports made for personal gripes
3. You will not have to be 100% sure if you have 100% grasped the purpose of the thread and if the post is totally unrelated aka offtopic, because the poster will explain how it was relevant in the appeal if you were not sure and got it wrong.
4. You wouldn't be tempted to punish those you personally thought were ass holes via mod bias
5. People couldn't accuse you of bias or much reduced since you would reach sensible consensus.
6. Perhaps even during appeals process a chance to make small edits.
1 per year for members or above isn't that much to pay.
It is unknown the number of members that either leave the forum or all other possible negatives sparked by even genuine misunderstandings between mods and posters.
I think member would be the sensible threshold to prevent malicious abuse of appeals.
The punishment for deliberate mod abuse should be considerable if it is undeniable.
You want a fair and open forum where the truth is permitted or you don't.
Maybe it will be on the new forum.
Just in case you were being serious: as far as I could figure out, epochtalk doesn't send PMs when a post is deleted, so even though it has moderation notes that mods can attach to reports - I don't think there is a way for users to see them. There is no drop down with common reasons.
There is no report history for the reporters so they can't see anything either.
If those are the problem, including the reason on PM when one's post is deleted is better solution.
But it's only practical if there's UI where moderator only need to click one fancy button such as ("Delete post [referral link]", "Delete post [off-topic]", etc.) and someone willing to make the implementation.
This would solve that but something tells me he still wouldn't be happy about it. It wouldn't be difficult to do. A drop down box with some of the most common reasons a post is deleted and an additional comment box for further elaboration if something is deleted for an uncommon reason has been requested and shouldn't be that difficult to do. Maybe it will be on the new forum. Hopefully it is as people do deserve to know what a post was removed for and it would remove a lot of confusion.
Well the transparent option on the polls seems to have been seen as a sensible option.
Let's leave that one and move to the other areas of transparency mentioned.
Okay so
Moderator and reporter transparency.
As already mentioned simply because there are some negatives it doesn't mean the idea isn't optimal.
There could be many as yet not considered positives.
Okay the problems as I see it currently are
1. Not understanding why you post was deleted.
Resulting in
A/ repeating the mistake
B/ feeling it was unfair or a biased delete.
C/ creating threads asking why or accusing mods of bias
D/ posting less or leaving the forum.
2. Not understanding why your report was marked bad
Resulting in
A/ repetitive reporting of those not meeting the threshold for deletion
B / feeling it was unfair or biased
C/ creating threads complaining of mod bias
D/ never reporting any other posts.
So it doesn't really matter if you say.
1/ I would just accept my post deleted and not care
2/ i wouldn't care if i thought i was the victim of mod bias
3/ I would keep reporting regardless.
Those problems can be mitigated and the forum improved.
If full transparency was too much. You could get a report at least saying.
You've had
25 posts deleted , reported by 4 members , deleted by 1 mod.
The reason could simply copy in the reason given by the reporter or one from a drop down list the mod selects from.
I mean the reporter and mod could have an option to report and mark transparently.
Moderation has improved but really the mod allowing anyone to spam every thread started by another member regarding legitimate proposals or debates and demand they halt or stop should be immediately fired. It is completely ludicrous.
Same for allowing every member to tell lies or spread misinformation but delete the provable truth.
They should be fired at once. This is deliberate and willful enabling and facilitating the spread of false information.
The fact the mods hide away from public debate on this is very telling.
You can delete independently verifiable truths and allow complete bullshit to be promulgated unchallenged.
Crazy shit.
Then cry when people mention on other mediums the narrative here is carefully scripted and controlled in certain areas and regarding certain members. Let people say what they want so long as it is on topic and relevant. Let the reader check the evidence and verify and decide for themselves.
I mean you have mods that permit certain members to make false accusations against other members, then when the accused conclusively refutes those accusations with independently verifiable evidence the mods delete it
Scandalous. There is nothing you can do the mods simply hide away like cowards when you challenge it
Weasels. Come out and debate if it is clear you're biased put the post back and apologize or get fired.
Mods are meant to be objective and impartial.
Some mods are good and do good work.
I suspect there are a couple of corrupt eggs working with a couple of vindictive reporters. Those stats based reports would soon demonstrate such patterns.
You could also introduce some things like .. after careful review are you happy with this action.
So if a certain mod is getting a lot of unhappy reports that could flag an issue. Even better if these type of options and features could be attached weight by merit score so unhappy shit posters are not really considered . Sadly since there is no requirement for giving merits and it is simply a meaningless metric that is not sensible currently. I mean if merits earned was even remotely correlated with the value of a post you could really leverage it to do a lot of amazing things that could really optimize the forum.
To be fair even if the trust system and merit system remained a joke but moderation was objective impartial and effective aka optimal it wouldn't make much difference to those that are not here for financial gain.
The warnings on top of peoples threads that falsely claim some members think you are a scammer or financially dangerous ( when no member has any evidence you ever tried to scam, set up a scam or showed any form of financially motivated wrong doing at all ever are always going to be clearly disgusting and defamatory)
But other than those if you were permitted to defend yourself and punish proven scammers when on topic and relevant without mod bias then the DT and merit are less important. It is terrible when even at an admin level the truth is deliberately hidden from view.
I think transparency would go a long way to stop that even semi transparency.
Plus prevent repetitive mistakes or errors of judgement , unwarranted feelings of bias, and collusion between isolated pockets of corruption. Putting members off posting or reporting.
That's probably a lot to take in. So read a couple of times and think it over.
Try to consider this from a macro perspective. If you start thinking hmmm.. how could this help someone I thoroughly want to leave then you are not being objective and thinking how it could help the entire forum going forward.
Of course if you see problems or have other improvements to add then feel free to mention them.
What else you gonna do on meta board? Tell everyone how many meaningless merits you have or how others shouldn't post here for money only whilst wearing the highest paying gambling sig you could get? Or errrrr how you want to be able to give merits out, or how many merits should be deleted from those that got them airdropped or random other merits based stats.
Come on treat yourselves to discussing and debating something new now and then.
The problem with meta board is clearly that most members frequenting meta board are the prime beneficiaries to the status quo so discussing changes that challenge the status quo or a move to systems that cant be gamed or level the playing field are immediately hated lol.
Let's leave that one and move to the other areas of transparency mentioned.
Okay so
Moderator and reporter transparency.
As already mentioned simply because there are some negatives it doesn't mean the idea isn't optimal.
There could be many as yet not considered positives.
Okay the problems as I see it currently are
1. Not understanding why you post was deleted.
Resulting in
A/ repeating the mistake
B/ feeling it was unfair or a biased delete.
C/ creating threads asking why or accusing mods of bias
D/ posting less or leaving the forum.
2. Not understanding why your report was marked bad
Resulting in
A/ repetitive reporting of those not meeting the threshold for deletion
B / feeling it was unfair or biased
C/ creating threads complaining of mod bias
D/ never reporting any other posts.
So it doesn't really matter if you say.
1/ I would just accept my post deleted and not care
2/ i wouldn't care if i thought i was the victim of mod bias
3/ I would keep reporting regardless.
Those problems can be mitigated and the forum improved.
If full transparency was too much. You could get a report at least saying.
You've had
25 posts deleted , reported by 4 members , deleted by 1 mod.
The reason could simply copy in the reason given by the reporter or one from a drop down list the mod selects from.
I mean the reporter and mod could have an option to report and mark transparently.
Moderation has improved but really the mod allowing anyone to spam every thread started by another member regarding legitimate proposals or debates and demand they halt or stop should be immediately fired. It is completely ludicrous.
Same for allowing every member to tell lies or spread misinformation but delete the provable truth.
They should be fired at once. This is deliberate and willful enabling and facilitating the spread of false information.
The fact the mods hide away from public debate on this is very telling.
You can delete independently verifiable truths and allow complete bullshit to be promulgated unchallenged.
Crazy shit.
Then cry when people mention on other mediums the narrative here is carefully scripted and controlled in certain areas and regarding certain members. Let people say what they want so long as it is on topic and relevant. Let the reader check the evidence and verify and decide for themselves.
I mean you have mods that permit certain members to make false accusations against other members, then when the accused conclusively refutes those accusations with independently verifiable evidence the mods delete it
Scandalous. There is nothing you can do the mods simply hide away like cowards when you challenge it
Weasels. Come out and debate if it is clear you're biased put the post back and apologize or get fired.
Mods are meant to be objective and impartial.
Some mods are good and do good work.
I suspect there are a couple of corrupt eggs working with a couple of vindictive reporters. Those stats based reports would soon demonstrate such patterns.
You could also introduce some things like .. after careful review are you happy with this action.
So if a certain mod is getting a lot of unhappy reports that could flag an issue. Even better if these type of options and features could be attached weight by merit score so unhappy shit posters are not really considered . Sadly since there is no requirement for giving merits and it is simply a meaningless metric that is not sensible currently. I mean if merits earned was even remotely correlated with the value of a post you could really leverage it to do a lot of amazing things that could really optimize the forum.
To be fair even if the trust system and merit system remained a joke but moderation was objective impartial and effective aka optimal it wouldn't make much difference to those that are not here for financial gain.
The warnings on top of peoples threads that falsely claim some members think you are a scammer or financially dangerous ( when no member has any evidence you ever tried to scam, set up a scam or showed any form of financially motivated wrong doing at all ever are always going to be clearly disgusting and defamatory)
But other than those if you were permitted to defend yourself and punish proven scammers when on topic and relevant without mod bias then the DT and merit are less important. It is terrible when even at an admin level the truth is deliberately hidden from view.
I think transparency would go a long way to stop that even semi transparency.
Plus prevent repetitive mistakes or errors of judgement , unwarranted feelings of bias, and collusion between isolated pockets of corruption. Putting members off posting or reporting.
That's probably a lot to take in. So read a couple of times and think it over.
Try to consider this from a macro perspective. If you start thinking hmmm.. how could this help someone I thoroughly want to leave then you are not being objective and thinking how it could help the entire forum going forward.
Of course if you see problems or have other improvements to add then feel free to mention them.
What else you gonna do on meta board? Tell everyone how many meaningless merits you have or how others shouldn't post here for money only whilst wearing the highest paying gambling sig you could get? Or errrrr how you want to be able to give merits out, or how many merits should be deleted from those that got them airdropped or random other merits based stats.
Come on treat yourselves to discussing and debating something new now and then.
The problem with meta board is clearly that most members frequenting meta board are the prime beneficiaries to the status quo so discussing changes that challenge the status quo or a move to systems that cant be gamed or level the playing field are immediately hated lol.
We would see a bunch of complaints in the meta section if this happens even in the reputation section, people who are reporting just because they think that the post is irrelevant to the topic might not report at all if they will answer queries daily about why they think that their post was invalid for that thread and now you will also bring up the mods and question how they judge things. Yeah it might be helpful for figuring things out why your post got deleted but I think it will be better just by reading the deleted post you have in your messages and going back to the thread where it was removed to see why they think it was irrelevant.
Why not make a few things fully transparent here?
Post reporter
You see who reports what posts
Mod dealing with report
You see which mod deleted the post or marked it bad
~snip~
This can cause unwanted side effects: People who got reported may PM post reporters and ask why did they report them, wtf do they want, etc, this can turn into revenge. Nothing serious but not joyful at all.Post reporter
You see who reports what posts
Mod dealing with report
You see which mod deleted the post or marked it bad
~snip~
And the second case, to see which mod deleted the post, can really be very bad for moderators because they may receive dozens of PMs from users about why did he/she remove the post. Mods are super busy and it will be impossible to answer all of these kinds of PMs, so PM spamming isn't something that we want.
Btw polls transparency is a good idea. We can see whether certain answers are consciously abused by newbies/alts or not.
Other than poll transparency I somewhat agree but still all those mod things will prolly cause more hassle than being useful.
Great replies from my friends here.
It's better to deal with specifics.
Let's get down to some.
Now. You see the poor scammer lauda was forced to leave the forum.
So now all the slobbering turds here run to laudas thread with eulogies of all his great works and pretending he was so net postive for the forum... oh what a sad loss.
I mean 4 pages of this bogus provably false shit and that weird creepy pervy gimp nullius basically admitting he loved lauda and is now all heartbroken that lauda pulled an Alia on him and left him with blue balls no cyber sex like he was hoping for after slobbering around debasing himself making excuses and pushing clear double standards and hypocrisy to impress her (him)
Anyway all of that is contained in that thread and in previous admissions from nullius the guy is a scary hannibal like pervy ghoul.
So a thread full of lies and shit.
I come along and post a link to a thread that proves lauda was a lying deceptive scamming piece of dirt.
He was also a proven trust abuser.
Was implicated in an extortion scheme and was a proven sneaky intentional plagiarist.
You know... sorry for furnishing the reader with the truth.
So yes those posts are deleted. What they are off topic and irrelevant ??
But all the lies and bogus blowing smoke up lauda the scammers ass were not off topic and irrelevant at all?
So you can be off topic and tell lies but not be off topic and tell the truth. LOL
Maybe in such a case you can only be on topic and relevant if you tell lies.
Then we wonder why people question the credibility of the forum.
I mean Im saying my goodbyes too :*(
That's the kind of bogus moderation we are dealing with.
The mods have no interest in seeing the reader furnished with the the truth they prefer to delete the truth and push bogus lies on the reader.
Now anyone that wishes to debunk the statements I have just made about lauda can do so right now.
I challenge anyone here.
Next - you see that dumb fuck suchmoon. You know the same stupid twat that was screaming for ages that CH was crazy to suggest the top merit earners were not making the best posts here, and suchmoon was insisting that merit was a great indication of the members posting value? A great base for the trust system lol
Going as far as to make claims such as
All pre merit legends are spammers
And it was entirely stupid and incorrect to suggest that some of the 99.97% of the forum could make posts as good as some of the 0.03% of the top merit earners?
Then to be found saying the terms good poster and bad poster are meaningless terms without strict criteria and definition.
Debunking all crap she had been spewing for months.
So, yes that such moon. Is now stalking every thread I make and slapping pictures demanding the debates are halted.
Imagine that mods have not deleted a single one that I have reported. All marked bad.
Now of course this is clearly not permitted.
If I were to make a picture of saying don't feed the fat slob suchmoon and follow her to threads and slap that in them over and over again.
They would be deleted instantly.
This is mod bias.
1. Suchmoon has never even once been able to demonstrate I have been incorrect about anything I have said. I have challenged her many many times to bring even 1 probably false piece of information that I have presented as true about another member or the systems of control here or any bones of contention suchmoron has with my posts. She has failed and always run away.
2. I have debunked her crap over and over. She has never even won one argument with me or anyone I support over anything.
She is a proven troll and scammer protector. So if anyone should be posting pictures demanding her threads are abandoned it should be me.
This is clearly mod bias.
I mean even if you debunked someone's claims 1x before you cant just demanded they never make a thread again and if they do you will demand their threads are halted and the debate cease. I mean suchmoon has been debunked and I don't even do that to that fat dumb slob. I would go to her thread and publically and transparently pull it apart if I chose.
That fat slob has zero shame. It runs from debate and just spams this demand to cease discussion on my threads. I don't even care she does that. What pisses me off is the mod scum that colludes with her to break the rules.
That is off topic, irrelevant, low value spamming but they mark the reports as bad. Lol
There is no point saying it is a matter of opinion. It is a clear double standard and clear mod abuse.
If you knew who the mod was you could call them out personally to answer. However how to find out? No way?
This hiding away is cowardice and treachery.
The forum will lose all credibility since already prominent members of the crypto community are correctly claiming that the narrative here is tightly controlled. Free speech exists until you want to present evidence that spoils what they want to convey as being true about something they really care about rather than allowing free and open debate.
Banning, tagging, flagging is all just a joke. The undeniable independently verifiable truth is impossible to thwart.
Now as to those still farting on about IP and emails etc .. this is proof you don't read the thread. Try again.
To the others asking what benefit would transparency have ...well we can run through all of the benefits soon. I mean some should be immediately self evident. However I know I clearly over estimate the types I am dealing with on meta board so we can run through those nice and slowly step by step and debate it.
Lets deal with the probably not mod bias and just a case of being over touchy or paranoid first.
I mean those examples alone are clear cut. But there are even greater extremes of mod bias.
There is no way to tackle mod bias whilst the mod is hiding and you don't even know who the scumbag is .
It's better to deal with specifics.
Let's get down to some.
Now. You see the poor scammer lauda was forced to leave the forum.
So now all the slobbering turds here run to laudas thread with eulogies of all his great works and pretending he was so net postive for the forum... oh what a sad loss.
I mean 4 pages of this bogus provably false shit and that weird creepy pervy gimp nullius basically admitting he loved lauda and is now all heartbroken that lauda pulled an Alia on him and left him with blue balls no cyber sex like he was hoping for after slobbering around debasing himself making excuses and pushing clear double standards and hypocrisy to impress her (him)
Anyway all of that is contained in that thread and in previous admissions from nullius the guy is a scary hannibal like pervy ghoul.
So a thread full of lies and shit.
I come along and post a link to a thread that proves lauda was a lying deceptive scamming piece of dirt.
He was also a proven trust abuser.
Was implicated in an extortion scheme and was a proven sneaky intentional plagiarist.
You know... sorry for furnishing the reader with the truth.
So yes those posts are deleted. What they are off topic and irrelevant ??
But all the lies and bogus blowing smoke up lauda the scammers ass were not off topic and irrelevant at all?
So you can be off topic and tell lies but not be off topic and tell the truth. LOL
Maybe in such a case you can only be on topic and relevant if you tell lies.
Then we wonder why people question the credibility of the forum.
I mean Im saying my goodbyes too :*(
That's the kind of bogus moderation we are dealing with.
The mods have no interest in seeing the reader furnished with the the truth they prefer to delete the truth and push bogus lies on the reader.
Now anyone that wishes to debunk the statements I have just made about lauda can do so right now.
I challenge anyone here.
Next - you see that dumb fuck suchmoon. You know the same stupid twat that was screaming for ages that CH was crazy to suggest the top merit earners were not making the best posts here, and suchmoon was insisting that merit was a great indication of the members posting value? A great base for the trust system lol
Going as far as to make claims such as
All pre merit legends are spammers
And it was entirely stupid and incorrect to suggest that some of the 99.97% of the forum could make posts as good as some of the 0.03% of the top merit earners?
Then to be found saying the terms good poster and bad poster are meaningless terms without strict criteria and definition.
Debunking all crap she had been spewing for months.
So, yes that such moon. Is now stalking every thread I make and slapping pictures demanding the debates are halted.
Imagine that mods have not deleted a single one that I have reported. All marked bad.
Now of course this is clearly not permitted.
If I were to make a picture of saying don't feed the fat slob suchmoon and follow her to threads and slap that in them over and over again.
They would be deleted instantly.
This is mod bias.
1. Suchmoon has never even once been able to demonstrate I have been incorrect about anything I have said. I have challenged her many many times to bring even 1 probably false piece of information that I have presented as true about another member or the systems of control here or any bones of contention suchmoron has with my posts. She has failed and always run away.
2. I have debunked her crap over and over. She has never even won one argument with me or anyone I support over anything.
She is a proven troll and scammer protector. So if anyone should be posting pictures demanding her threads are abandoned it should be me.
This is clearly mod bias.
I mean even if you debunked someone's claims 1x before you cant just demanded they never make a thread again and if they do you will demand their threads are halted and the debate cease. I mean suchmoon has been debunked and I don't even do that to that fat dumb slob. I would go to her thread and publically and transparently pull it apart if I chose.
That fat slob has zero shame. It runs from debate and just spams this demand to cease discussion on my threads. I don't even care she does that. What pisses me off is the mod scum that colludes with her to break the rules.
That is off topic, irrelevant, low value spamming but they mark the reports as bad. Lol
There is no point saying it is a matter of opinion. It is a clear double standard and clear mod abuse.
If you knew who the mod was you could call them out personally to answer. However how to find out? No way?
This hiding away is cowardice and treachery.
The forum will lose all credibility since already prominent members of the crypto community are correctly claiming that the narrative here is tightly controlled. Free speech exists until you want to present evidence that spoils what they want to convey as being true about something they really care about rather than allowing free and open debate.
Banning, tagging, flagging is all just a joke. The undeniable independently verifiable truth is impossible to thwart.
Now as to those still farting on about IP and emails etc .. this is proof you don't read the thread. Try again.
To the others asking what benefit would transparency have ...well we can run through all of the benefits soon. I mean some should be immediately self evident. However I know I clearly over estimate the types I am dealing with on meta board so we can run through those nice and slowly step by step and debate it.
Lets deal with the probably not mod bias and just a case of being over touchy or paranoid first.
I mean those examples alone are clear cut. But there are even greater extremes of mod bias.
There is no way to tackle mod bias whilst the mod is hiding and you don't even know who the scumbag is .
It would not be in anybody's benefit if everything goes transparent here. What if your IP address, email address, your personal ID gets leaked at some place when you never wanted it to get compromised? That is how these things are meant to be confidential so to stop others from bullying responsible members who are doing their job great behind the picture. It's better if these things stay anonymous because if a poll starter will know who voted what and if he doesn't support a community apart that goes against the decision he expected, he'll start asking them what made them vote for that and then, spam PMs and whatnot. Kind of a hassle, no?
Firstly, I would have loved to know the main reason that backed up your conceived idea of obliterating the anonymity behind reports, votes and deleted posts. Of course that of deleted posts is very much the moderator as the one incharge of that board or sub-boards or yourself based on a few terms.
When it comes to the others, I think it's very much unwise to disclose these details to everyone as I'd you get banned based on the fact that a certain member reported or suggested you for a ban, have a lot of deleted posts based on reports as well or have a lot of antagonistic users to your idea, it would establish in you a need to watch out for those users and you become biased in dealing with matters that concerns them.
Supposing you had an align even though he or she warned you over certain activities or ideas and you still go ahead to action it and he or she reacted, you feel betrayed.
So, the anonymity is just better, do right and your sure to have no trouble.
When it comes to the others, I think it's very much unwise to disclose these details to everyone as I'd you get banned based on the fact that a certain member reported or suggested you for a ban, have a lot of deleted posts based on reports as well or have a lot of antagonistic users to your idea, it would establish in you a need to watch out for those users and you become biased in dealing with matters that concerns them.
Supposing you had an align even though he or she warned you over certain activities or ideas and you still go ahead to action it and he or she reacted, you feel betrayed.
So, the anonymity is just better, do right and your sure to have no trouble.
Do you doubt on the act of moderators? If so, you can get your deleted post and present it here that mods are not acting properly.
Why would reporters be publicly announced, to target them?
Why would reporters be publicly announced, to target them?
I think it would help members and mods act more responsibly.
Can you please exactly point out which benefit would forum get by following your suggestion above? Knowing the mod is essential. It is strange meta board has no assigned mods. Then when you enquire about a very strange delete or even stranger refusal to delete they hide up. I mean you only need to hear the explanation 1x for permitting a member to stalk your legitmate threads and post pictures demanding the debate to cease. Obviously that must be applicable to all members so would be a very useful explanation. The specifics would be more than interesting.
Sadly most people run away when you start to drill down to specifics.
Sadly most people run away when you start to drill down to specifics.
Why is it essential to know? If a mod is abusing his power then they're abusing their power and that should be investigated, but the likelihood is that they're not and it's just down to a user feeling victimised or being slightly paranoid, and that's where we run into problems. Knowing their name would just lead to that user either pestering the mod or holding a grudge against them for taking action against their post. I think a better solution would be mods being able to give a reason why a post was deleted that is included with the deleted post notification and maybe that would help with any confusion. Also, not all boards have a mod and as long as you're not a Newbie then you can assume it was either one of the Global mods or Admins that removed it. Many of those aren't that active in posting or in browsing Meta so they might not just have seen your post, or if they did see it maybe felt like they didn't want to get involved for whatever reason or a response isn't justified.
Anyway focus on the polls first.
Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.
There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions. If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.
Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.
There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions. If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.
I wouldn't necessarily be against polls being open but only if it was an option like a the self-modded thread is ie you can chose to make it public or closed and that is mentioned at the top of the thread so people are aware and can choose whether to participate. I believe theymos actually has the ability to do that and if I recall correctly he did do an open poll once, or maybe the results were made public after voting. Can't remember exactly, but maybe this sort of feature is something to suggest for the new form as an option.
Well that is good to know. A sensible requirement. I would make all of my own polls transparent anyway.
If others didnt wish for their polls to be transparent then fair enough. It would be good enough to point that out as a challenge for when you suspect the results are bogus.
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Yes, there are no demands. We should all be grateful to have found bitcointalk. I certainly am.
However there is no harm debating improvements. If there was a clear case they would not be improvements that is fine.
We must remember you can demonstrate there are some undeniable negatives to a plan of action but still that plan of action would remain optimal. People can't say well there is this potential negative terminate the idea when there would be far more potential positives.
Knowing the mod is essential. It is strange meta board has no assigned mods. Then when you enquire about a very strange delete or even stranger refusal to delete they hide up. I mean you only need to hear the explanation 1x for permitting a member to stalk your legitmate threads and post pictures demanding the debate to cease. Obviously that must be applicable to all members so would be a very useful explanation. The specifics would be more than interesting.
Sadly most people run away when you start to drill down to specifics.
The forum works fine for me but still has flaws but it did not affect the purpose of this forum created by satoshi.
I think the best thing to do as a member here in the forum is to adpat to things that has been offered. There is no need for the forum to make changes or adjustments for its members. I consider myself visitor here and are only taking things I do like learning cryptocurrency and forget those things that could not help you as a member and a person.
The may be losing dignity for their wrong doings but as long as you think that you are only doing what is right then all will be fine. Ignore members you think in your way to your endeavors.
I think the best thing to do as a member here in the forum is to adpat to things that has been offered. There is no need for the forum to make changes or adjustments for its members. I consider myself visitor here and are only taking things I do like learning cryptocurrency and forget those things that could not help you as a member and a person.
The may be losing dignity for their wrong doings but as long as you think that you are only doing what is right then all will be fine. Ignore members you think in your way to your endeavors.
Anyway focus on the polls first.
Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.
There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions. If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.
Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.
There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions. If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.
I wouldn't necessarily be against polls being open but only if it was an option like a the self-modded thread is ie you can chose to make it public or closed and that is mentioned at the top of the thread so people are aware and can choose whether to participate. I believe theymos actually has the ability to do that and if I recall correctly he did do an open poll once, or maybe the results were made public after voting. Can't remember exactly, but maybe this sort of feature is something to suggest for the new form as an option.
Full transparency can be hazardous.
Let's say, hypothetically, you are a follower of a user. And that user does a lots of giveaways and you participate in them. You also win a lot from them.
But lately, that user started to spam the forum. Would you report them if you know that the person will know you reported making your chances in his/her future giveaways less?? You won't want that.
We have opaque reporting system only because so we can report spammers without getting ourselves targeted. And if the report is accurate for what it's being reported for, then the mods will take appropriate actions by removing or not removing them in their capacity.
It's like anonymous reporting which is good.
Let's say, hypothetically, you are a follower of a user. And that user does a lots of giveaways and you participate in them. You also win a lot from them.
But lately, that user started to spam the forum. Would you report them if you know that the person will know you reported making your chances in his/her future giveaways less?? You won't want that.
We have opaque reporting system only because so we can report spammers without getting ourselves targeted. And if the report is accurate for what it's being reported for, then the mods will take appropriate actions by removing or not removing them in their capacity.
It's like anonymous reporting which is good.
I understand that some people will always put selfish gain above doing the right thing.
They are not the type of members I would seek to encourage here anyway. We're all stocked up with those.
There will be some sensible and credible reasons that people could voice against the reporter being transparent.
That could remain transparent if the moderator handling was transparent and the reported was given some indication that the same reporter was reporting x number of their posts without revealing the username . You have to understand that hiding the reporter encourages targeting and vindictive behavior.
However yes the post is either relevant, on topic , useful and credible or it is not.
Perhaps there should be a mechanism to discourage vindictive and false reporting?
Either way the mod must be transparent. The reporter if DT should be. Surely they would not put selfish interest above doing the best right thing. But at a minimum the mod. I would like to see a connection or collusion or vindictive pattern of action if it exists.
That type of thing being visible or detectable would discourage it in the first place
What about the polls ?
Those imbeciles attempting to conflate this with RL transparency like kyc are clearly morons.
Feel free to fuck off to threads that cater to retards on your own level.
Read the OP. There is no mention of attempting to DNA map you mutants.
Full transparency on the forum. Aka your username is tied clearly to your actions here for all to observe. Nothing more.
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