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Quote from: Adriano2010 on December 18, 2019, 11:30:57 AM

I agree that a lot of ICOs are scam and a lot of people got scammed and is very hard to get that money back but maybe in future all people will do research and will not invest anymore in blind and will get eaht they expect.

You think research is all you need to avoid scams? I bet you people who didn't research put money into EOS for example and they all thought they were geniuses for investing in such a big opportunity.

And those who researched in 2018 and 2019 probably all lost money. Whitepapers, teams, companies. All existed and all legit but so what? In the end, ICOs scam when they want to, either forwardly or in a "legitimate" way.

Very true unfortunately. Also most of businesses go down even without founders going rogue. It's just hard to run a company and especially in this environment. If add basically endless possibilities of running away with money then you get some sad picture of the reality.

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Quote from: Adriano2010 on December 18, 2019, 11:30:57 AM

I agree that a lot of ICOs are scam and a lot of people got scammed and is very hard to get that money back but maybe in future all people will do research and will not invest anymore in blind and will get eaht they expect.

You think research is all you need to avoid scams? I bet you people who didn't research put money into EOS for example and they all thought they were geniuses for investing in such a big opportunity.

And those who researched in 2018 and 2019 probably all lost money. Whitepapers, teams, companies. All existed and all legit but so what? In the end, ICOs scam when they want to, either forwardly or in a "legitimate" way.

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Quote from: Rossi$ on December 20, 2019, 12:12:22 AM

Unfortunately, ICO discredited themselves because of scam, failure to fulfill obligations to bounty hunters, investors. Yes, there were a lot of fairly successful fundraising for the development of the project, but the overall impression is perhaps negative.

I still find incredible how scammers can kill a market that at the time seemed to be unstoppable, there was a lot of money moving in icos and this was because people were excited about the possibility of bringing a huge change to the world, but then scammers entered this market and took advantage of the model and made untold fortunes with it.

But now even a legitimate project that tries to create an ico is unable to gather any interest from investors regardless of its quality and the same is happening to ieos as we speak.

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Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Could and ICO be run like a fundraiser ?
Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.
Is that something that can be done ?

Actually, this is the exact sense and purpose for which ICO was created. By selling tokens, the funds needed to develope the project are collected. Investors who purchased tokens will be able to use the services provided by the project, on preferential terms.

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it could be that if the project was indeed intended, unfortunately now many projects are only focused on their coins, and do not have backups of real projects, I'm sure projects like this will not last long.

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Quote from: sunsilk on December 18, 2019, 06:15:26 PM

The promises of use cases and application of their token was just a PR stunt. But the reality will shake you that regardless of countless times that these projects became bad in the past, there will be investors that's gonna invest blindly with it as long as they see the possible profit that's being displayed by the teams.

The statement was true in the beginning of the ICO trend but now when there is a new project you either neglect them as majority of the past projects with big promises went down just like that and the developers behind those made a fortune and delivered nothing and now it is hard to get a investor to take a high risk like that and the market momentum changed for good and you cannot see any blind investments into these token projects now.

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Quote from: Rossi$ on December 20, 2019, 12:12:22 AM

Unfortunately, ICO discredited themselves because of scam, failure to fulfill obligations to bounty hunters, investors. Yes, there were a lot of fairly successful fundraising for the development of the project, but the overall impression is perhaps negative.

I will not agree that the ICO has discredited itself. ICO has discredited investor ignorance. It has exposed how important education and basic knowledge about fundamental analysis are. ICO is a great tool to raise funds, but people who don't understand how it works shouldn't invest in it. Unfortunately, but most investors were blinded by panic buy and bull market. This consequently led to the disaster of the ICO market.

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Quote from: Rodeo02 on December 19, 2019, 10:40:26 PM

Quote from: Adriano2010 on December 18, 2019, 11:30:57 AM

I agree that a lot of ICOs are scam and a lot of people got scammed and is very hard to get that money back but maybe in future all people will do research and will not invest anymore in blind and will get eaht they expect.

i dont think searching for a project is the answer to not get scam. The problem is the technology behind the ethereum contract and ICO there are many breach that can be use to scam people. The solution is making it more secure to investors not by only searching for good project.

That totally a reversed idea about searching for a project to avoid scam. The more close your are with several rising project, is the more prone you are to be a scam victim. How can we search those potential good project? Despite that most of them we're just putting some shady deceptive promotion.
I would dream for a website who really and honestly register trusted project that will pass through serious scrutiny.

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Unfortunately, ICO discredited themselves because of scam, failure to fulfill obligations to bounty hunters, investors. Yes, there were a lot of fairly successful fundraising for the development of the project, but the overall impression is perhaps negative.

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Quote from: Adriano2010 on December 18, 2019, 11:30:57 AM

I agree that a lot of ICOs are scam and a lot of people got scammed and is very hard to get that money back but maybe in future all people will do research and will not invest anymore in blind and will get eaht they expect.

i dont think searching for a project is the answer to not get scam. The problem is the technology behind the ethereum contract and ICO there are many breach that can be use to scam people. The solution is making it more secure to investors not by only searching for good project.

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Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Could and ICO be run like a fundraiser ?
Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.
Is that something that can be done ?

Yes, we can say that ICO is a fundraising tool for new projects. But depending on the different project types, the token can be made to purchase the product. For example, tokens of technology projects, you can only hope that the business works well for the price of the token to grow strongly. And you can do it normally if you have a great idea and a professional team, the market always welcomes potential projects.

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Quote from: Adriano2010 on December 18, 2019, 11:30:57 AM

I agree that a lot of ICOs are scam and a lot of people got scammed and is very hard to get that money back but maybe in future all people will do research and will not invest anymore in blind and will get eaht they expect.

People will learn eventually. Despite of how "good" these projects coming out and sell themselves, investors will see the true worth of it afterwards when they are done with their sale. ICO/IEO became the place for fund raisers that actually does nothing but benefit on their own.

The promises of use cases and application of their token was just a PR stunt. But the reality will shake you that regardless of countless times that these projects became bad in the past, there will be investors that's gonna invest blindly with it as long as they see the possible profit that's being displayed by the teams.

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Quote from: beerlover on December 05, 2019, 03:10:23 AM

ICO is simply the crypto version of IPO.
Why companies are providing IPO? Just to have more funds to have better operations and for expansion of business into next levels.

In the initial days altcoin boom, ICOs were conducted to distribute the coins at cheaper prices to the early adopters but after ethereum came into action, people started to use ICO as a purely fund raising option for the development of their project. A token based ICO is just a crowd funding mechanism for building a new project; this is the reason anyone tried to make a new project out of public money which turned into scam in most cases.

Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.

To attract more investors, ICO operators do always announce discounts. But in my observation, 99% of tokens being traded in markets in lesser value than those discounted prices. What we can expect other than this from scammy devs.

Moreover, this topic does not look like belonging to this board. It could more suit for altcoins discussion.

yes, ICO and IPO would be same in the purpose. But it would be very different in practically
ICO isn't regulated at all, there is no "standard" for ICO. everyone can make it without any term and conditions

That's why there are many shit ICO here. it would be different with IPO which is regulated, many term and conditions made small scam possibility

Main difference among the two but in general sense these things are just similar on most aspect but differs on regulation and thats why
we do see more people do make use of that ICO method yet they can scam out hell of a lot of money out from investors wayback in the past
where ICO is still hyping up+bull run.

Going back on topic, overall these things are aiming the same thing which is too accumulate funds for the sake of project developing
or extending out their business.

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Quote from: BartS on December 17, 2019, 09:50:39 PM

Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Could and ICO be run like a fundraiser ?
Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.
Is that something that can be done ?

The whole point of holding an ico is to rise funds so you can develop your project to the best of your ability but since you did not even knew that it is better for you to research a lot more about how this market works before you try to do anything like that.

And this is especially true if you are actually trying to do something meaningful in this market because investors are not really interested anymore in projects that have no chance of being profitable in the future.

Relative ico companies today are constantly heard negative reviews and statements of new investors, because it was this area of fundraising that began to overwhelm fraud and many investors lost their funds. One way or another, many promising projects were carried out by ico and became successful projects, but nevertheless no one expected that scammers would take advantage of the ico market.

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I agree that a lot of ICOs are scam and a lot of people got scammed and is very hard to get that money back but maybe in future all people will do research and will not invest anymore in blind and will get eaht they expect.

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Quote from: beerlover on December 05, 2019, 03:10:23 AM

ICO is simply the crypto version of IPO.
Why companies are providing IPO? Just to have more funds to have better operations and for expansion of business into next levels.

In the initial days altcoin boom, ICOs were conducted to distribute the coins at cheaper prices to the early adopters but after ethereum came into action, people started to use ICO as a purely fund raising option for the development of their project. A token based ICO is just a crowd funding mechanism for building a new project; this is the reason anyone tried to make a new project out of public money which turned into scam in most cases.

Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.

To attract more investors, ICO operators do always announce discounts. But in my observation, 99% of tokens being traded in markets in lesser value than those discounted prices. What we can expect other than this from scammy devs.

Moreover, this topic does not look like belonging to this board. It could more suit for altcoins discussion.

yes, ICO and IPO would be same in the purpose. But it would be very different in practically
ICO isn't regulated at all, there is no "standard" for ICO. everyone can make it without any term and conditions

That's why there are many shit ICO here. it would be different with IPO which is regulated, many term and conditions made small scam possibility

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Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Could and ICO be run like a fundraiser ?
Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.
Is that something that can be done ?

The whole point of holding an ico is to rise funds so you can develop your project to the best of your ability but since you did not even knew that it is better for you to research a lot more about how this market works before you try to do anything like that.

And this is especially true if you are actually trying to do something meaningful in this market because investors are not really interested anymore in projects that have no chance of being profitable in the future.

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ICO is simply the crypto version of IPO.
Why companies are providing IPO? Just to have more funds to have better operations and for expansion of business into next levels.

In the initial days altcoin boom, ICOs were conducted to distribute the coins at cheaper prices to the early adopters but after ethereum came into action, people started to use ICO as a purely fund raising option for the development of their project. A token based ICO is just a crowd funding mechanism for building a new project; this is the reason anyone tried to make a new project out of public money which turned into scam in most cases.

Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.

To attract more investors, ICO operators do always announce discounts. But in my observation, 99% of tokens being traded in markets in lesser value than those discounted prices. What we can expect other than this from scammy devs.

Moreover, this topic does not look like belonging to this board. It could more suit for altcoins discussion.

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Quote from: algorithminer on November 29, 2019, 06:24:08 AM

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Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Could and ICO be run like a fundraiser ?
Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.
Is that something that can be done ?

But why would anyone be incentivised to do that? From the developer's point of view, that is.

Unless of course the project is complete bull and the developers know that they can't raise funds any other way than sell their tokens at a significant discount.

But intrinsically, the concept of ICO and public fundraising is basically the same - with a catch that you receive tokens as your reward.

I would definitely find some trustworthy backers.
And offcouse trust issues and other would be sorted.
Im definitely not considering hosting scams.

This is weird why do you need backers who are trustworthy? It is you who needs to be trustworthy because you will be the recipient of funding from the backers. As far as I'm concerned, backers can even be anonymous. I think you got the wrong assumption of the whole thing.

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 30, 2019, 07:15:22 AM

Quote from: algorithminer on November 28, 2019, 04:47:50 PM

Could and ICO be run like a fundraiser ?
Tokens could be used to buy product at awesome discount price waay below market.
Is that something that can be done ?

ICO were created to make a fundraising for their project to gain investors and supporters, they offer discounts so many will get interest and their token should be useful to have supporters. The earlier you invest the higher the discount but be very carful in investing as ICO tends to fail now.

In the beginning, ICO was quite successful in its time, but as time went by, fundraising with ICO was no longer reliable. In fact, it was often carried away with fundraising from ICO by the project, so now it is not popular anymore like before so I'm not sure about any ICO fundraising now.

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